Official 2013 NFL Discussion Thread

**CoreyB** · 01-14-2014, 08:01 AM

Pocket protection has a lot to do with the QB. Part of the QB's job is to call out protection. That is why Manning and Brady get sacked so few times. Its not like they both magically have the best O-lines year after year. Belichick is an excellent coach, but Brady has done more with less year after year. I would say that its a toss up at this point as too which QB is better, I pick Brady though I may be a little biased. Brady has beat Manning nearly twice as many times as Manning has beat him. And Brady comes out of those games with a higher QB rating so its not like its just the defense winning it, of which Brady has had a pretty bad defense the past 5 years or so.
When the game is on the line in a high pressure "must win" game, I would take Brady over Manning as my QB without question and most football geeks will say the same.

**Echo419** · 01-14-2014, 09:13 AM

I would also like to add that I hate Brady's crying all the time. if someone so much as touches him he's crying to the refs about a flag and usually gets it. drives me up a wall.

edit: oh and more with less? really? come on man. a big reason why Manning's playoff record is so bad is the shit teams he brought up. Belicheat is legendary for his tallent evaluation and game plan. no one does it better. I mean their best WR is former FCS QUARTERBACK for crying out loud.

**CoreyB** · 01-14-2014, 11:38 AM

Thats my point, Manning has ALWAYS had very good receivers, Brady has to mold his receivers into good ones. Right now Manning is loaded at receiver, Brady has pretty much nothing but makes due with what he has.

**Echo419** · 01-14-2014, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyB

Thats my point, Manning has ALWAYS had very good receivers, Brady has to mold his receivers into good ones. Right now Manning is loaded at receiver, Brady has pretty much nothing but makes due with what he has.

Eric Decker, and the 2 Thomas' were NOBODIES before Peyton got there. Now they've both have had Welker but Tommy did have Randy Moss who was one of the best period.

of course that goes back to my point earlier. it doesn't matter who goes down and Belicheat just plugs in another guy. Even Brady himself. Brady knows this that's why he took a pay cut to stay. He knows he couldn't do this in Cleveland or Jacksonville and he doesn't want to get killed every time he drops back.

**HilbillyHomeboy** · 01-14-2014, 12:39 PM

Peyton Manning is the only QB left in the playoffs that was NOT taken in the MLB draft.

**IPD** · 01-14-2014, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyB

Pocket protection has a lot to do with the QB. Part of the QB's job is to call out protection. That is why Manning and Brady get sacked so few times. Its not like they both magically have the best O-lines year after year. Belichick is an excellent coach, but Brady has done more with less year after year. I would say that its a toss up at this point as too which QB is better, I pick Brady though I may be a little biased. Brady has beat Manning nearly twice as many times as Manning has beat him. And Brady comes out of those games with a higher QB rating so its not like its just the defense winning it, of which Brady has had a pretty bad defense the past 5 years or so.
When the game is on the line in a high pressure "must win" game, I would take Brady over Manning as my QB without question and most football geeks will say the same.

really? and what percentage of NFL games does the losing QB have a higher rating than the winning QB? that's kind of a bullshit litmus test.

as to their records vs. each other--you put manning on the patriots (during those years) and you put brady on the colts, and brady fares no better than manning did against the patriots--and probably even worse. i mean, indy cuts its third-string WR, brandon stokley, and he becomes a starter in denver. he wasn't that caliber when he got to indy, i guarantee it.

**Echo419** · 01-14-2014, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy

Peyton Manning is the only QB left in the playoffs that was NOT taken in the MLB draft.

and none of them were drafted by the NBA.

cool story bro.

oh and 18th round by the Expos?

they aren't even a team anymore. 43rd round by the Cubs. when was the last time they won a World Series?

and I saw the story about Wilson getting "drafted" by the Rockies. not a big deal really. marketing scheme really. of course he was still "drafted" by the Orioles in the 41st round... strong stuff

Originally Posted by IPD

really? and what percentage of NFL games does the losing QB have a higher rating than the winning QB? that's kind of a bullshit litmus test.

as to their records vs. each other--you put manning on the patriots (during those years) and you put brady on the colts, and brady fares no better than manning did against the patriots--and probably even worse. i mean, indy cuts its third-string WR, brandon stokley, and he becomes a starter in denver. he wasn't that caliber when he got to indy, i guarantee it.

don't forget the tuck rule. Peyton never had to "tuck" a fumble to get away with it and all the other "questionable calls" that got the Pats big time wins.

plus he doesn't flop and cry like Brady.