Official 2013 NFL Discussion Thread

[Echo419]

One credit I will gave to give to Brady, of all the good teams they've had since he and the cheater got there, Brady is the only Hall of Famer. There have been a few who have come and gone that may be in the hall one day, Welker & Moss to name a couple, but none that have been long time Pats during this run. You look at the Steelers in the 70's, 49ers and Redskins in the 80's and the Cowturds in the 90's, all those teams had multiple HOFers. The Pats? I only see one making it.

that's because it's the system and the coaches(even though I hate Belicheat) that make that team what it has been. they cut someone, they get hurt or leave during free agency and they just plug in someone else and don't miss a step. there is no reason this team should be in the AFC Championship with all the injuries and arrests they've had this year.any of the other 3 teams left lose the number of players the Pats lost and they're not in the playoffs anymore.

and I'll say it. No I don't think Brady is that great and I'll give you 2 words. Matt Cassel. Brady got hurt and they barley missed a beat and had Brady not came back I bet we'd all be talking about how great Matt Cassel is. someone gets hurt and they literally just plug in an other guy. they let Welker go and just plug in a college QB. where else does this work?

watch this team won't change one bit when Brady finally leaves. it won't completely go to shit until Belicheat leaves. fact.

[IPD]

100% agree, echo. and that's why i keep saying that brady is good--very good, in fact...but he's not great. that's why as much as i hate belicheat, i have to respect him for what he's been able to accomp...er get away with. because of the "system" i feel that you're correct that any player is "plug and play" with another player--and that's why there's continued success. you can put virtually any QB in there, and the patriots will advance to the playoffs--regardless (well, anyone but someone who doesn't fit the system--like tebow).

brady is good, but he's not montana, elway, unitis and p. manning good. i doubt i'd even put him in with plunkett or simms. he's more like a jim mcmahon.

[IPD]

funny, i didn't put aikman on the list...he's probably a plunkett ('cause i'm a cowgirls hater).

[sergechronos]

that's why as much as i hate belicheat, i have to respect him for what he's been able to accomp...er get away with

When it comes to professional sports: If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

[IPD]

When it comes to professional sports: If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

i'm sure jimmy johnson could give us a few pointers too...

[Granny]

Go Seahawks!
Not their best game Saturday

I feel pretty sure the Broncos will be in

[93STLTH]

I'll have to disagree on the Brady evaluations here. Don't get me wrong, I still hate him and the Pats, but he's better than you guys are giving him credit for. He's extremely accurate with good zip on the ball. He's got good pocket awareness, which helps him avoid sacks and he's decent on the deep ball. He makes ordinary receivers into pro bowlers. When you give him some good receivers, like in 2007, when he had Moss, Welker and Stallworth, he set all kinds of records. Plus, you don't become a 2 time league MVP and a 9 time Pro Bowler by just being a system OB.

[IPD]

Plus, you don't become a 2 time league MVP and a 9 time Pro Bowler by just being a system OB.

except that it's belicheat's system.

[Echo419]

I'll have to disagree on the Brady evaluations here. Don't get me wrong, I still hate him and the Pats, but he's better than you guys are giving him credit for. He's extremely accurate with good zip on the ball. He's got good pocket awareness, which helps him avoid sacks and he's decent on the deep ball. He makes ordinary receivers into pro bowlers. When you give him some good receivers, like in 2007, when he had Moss, Welker and Stallworth, he set all kinds of records. Plus, you don't become a 2 time league MVP and a 9 time Pro Bowler by just being a system OB.

so what happened to Matt Cassel and Welker is still a lights out reciever? sure his accuracy is good but I've seen him screw up more times than I can count. the thing is he has EXCELLENT pass protection and when he gets pressured he's average at best.

[j2k4]

...when he gets pressured he's average at best.

Manning approaches 'average' under pressure as well.

I have to say I agree with IPD's Bleacher Report, though - Manning gets the nod.