What Apple product/s do you use?

[j2k4]

Well, there are your poll results to consider...

[GTO Assassin]

Not really. Before the poll I knew most Americans (members here and on 3si and BAWC) hated Apple but never really gave any real reasons why. And after this thread, I'm still yet to see why. Honestly, arguments for Apple are miles in front of the againsts. No, let me say that part again. The arguments why Apple suck balls are pretty weak, not so much that Apple aren't a great product. We have one crusader and all the others have stopped posting. lol (possibly away living lifes and all that)

Scotty

[j2k4]

We have one crusader and all the others have stopped posting. lol (possibly away living lifes and all that)

Scotty

Call him a "crusader" if you like - I will call the other guy an instigator.

That is what we have, Scotty.

[UTRacerX9]

besides, if you ask your average iphone user (which, i'm going to assume you either are...or have been) what features made them choose an iphone over anything else, the response is always the same:

"it's an iphone".

You are incorrect. I was a huge fan of my Blackberry phones, and I have never owned an Apple computer, nor wanted to. My company gave me an iphone for business, and I like because it is a better phone than my blackberry's were. The user interface on an iPhone is much better than a BB. They've done a good job in figuring out clever ways to use the phone for a variety of purposes, without having to go through cumbersome menus and what not. I have had absolutely zero problems with mine. My BB's would freeze occasionally, nothing serious, but it's still worse than my iPhone experience.

You seem to think that Apple can do nothing right. Well, you're flat out wrong. There's a reason why the iPhone set the standard for what a smartphone is and should be, and that's why ALL other smartphones tried to emulate it.

[IPD]

You are incorrect. I was a huge fan of my Blackberry phones, and I have never owned an Apple computer, nor wanted to. My company gave me an iphone for business, and I like because it is a better phone than my blackberry's were. The user interface on an iPhone is much better than a BB. They've done a good job in figuring out clever ways to use the phone for a variety of purposes, without having to go through cumbersome menus and what not. I have had absolutely zero problems with mine. My BB's would freeze occasionally, nothing serious, but it's still worse than my iPhone experience.

You seem to think that Apple can do nothing right. Well, you're flat out wrong. There's a reason why the iPhone set the standard for what a smartphone is and should be, and that's why ALL other smartphones tried to emulate it.

and yet, when i use that EXACT SAME argument for why the wii > xbox360--people scream bloody murder.

i'm not going to argue that apple doesn't have positives in favor of it. i'm arguing that for the money you can do better. i'm a huge fan of the droid--if only because of the ability to tether without apple putting you on the naughty list.

p.s.

scooter seems to be looking for people to back up his argument.

[Zaroth]

Like I've said a gazillion times, I dont know computers.

Scotty

I think the confusion your having is that your trying to talk about something that you admittedly know nothing about. It's like listening to a guy that knows nothing about cars ranting to import guys why muscle cars are not that bad.

Imperfect wrote a very complete and accurate post with all the information you wanted to know about why knowledgeable computer people don't like apple and you picked 1 thing off the whole list and bitched about it without addressing the rest of the post.

That's called being a troll.

[GTO Assassin]

scooter seems to be looking for people to back up his argument.

Ha! Not at all. The only thing I have found in this thread (and Shaun did warn me on post 3 or 4) is that there is alot of unwarranted hate towards apple. Sure, people prefer other products over apple but the apple suck because it costs more doesn't cut it. And to make it even funnier is that alot of these members haven't even used an apple product let alone owned one.

I think the confusion your having is that your trying to talk about something that you admittedly know nothing about. It's like listening to a guy that knows nothing about cars ranting to import guys why muscle cars are not that bad.

Imperfect wrote a very complete and accurate post with all the information you wanted to know about why knowledgeable computer people don't like apple and you picked 1 thing off the whole list and bitched about it without addressing the rest of the post.

That's called being a troll.

Seriously, where do you guys come from. Admitting I know nothing about how something works in a conversation that is NOT about how something works tells you more about my honesty than some of the others here. Tell me, find my post that says I think apple are better than pc's and why. Shit, tell me where I say apple is better than any of it's competitors and why. You wont find I say that anywhere. Inp said apple is full of fail. I'm yet to see how he can say that other than they cost more.

Scotty

[IPD]

Ha! Not at all. The only thing I have found in this thread (and Shaun did warn me on post 3 or 4) is that there is alot of unwarranted hate towards apple. Sure, people prefer other products over apple but the apple suck because it costs more doesn't cut it. And to make it even funnier is that alot of these members haven't even used an apple product let alone owned one.


Seriously, where do you guys come from. Admitting I know nothing about how something works in a conversation that is NOT about how something works tells you more about my honesty than some of the others here. Tell me, find my post that says I think apple are better than pc's and why. Shit, tell me where I say apple is better than any of it's competitors and why. You wont find I say that anywhere. Inp said apple is full of fail. I'm yet to see how he can say that other than they cost more.

Scotty

you're right, scotty. so just for a minute, let's assume that yellowed screens, product design flaws (cooling, antenna shorts, etc) never happened--and apple's products are no better and no worse than any of the competition's offerings--FROM A HARDWARE STANDPOINT.

now then...that means we'd have to evaluate based on price, software, features, etc:

Price: apple's computers are generally recognized to carry a ~$500 premium over any competing products. this premium varies with the device--the most powerful mac's carry a bigger premium; smartphones carry a smaller (yet still substantial) premium.

Software: apple brags up and down that you can run windows-based media on a mac. according to apple, this somehow makes apple better. what they won't say, is that apple does not allow its OS to be installed on any computers which weren't manufactured and built by apple. period. (for the sake of comparison, if you could manage to get windows 7 to run on a pentium 1--microsoft would not only allow it; they'd probably give you a medal). the flipside to this software is the programs available from third parties (or MS/apple directly). succinctly, for a windows-based user, every program that apple has--you can find an viable alternative for windows. unfortunately, the inverse isn't true...and many windows-based 3rd party programs do not support or have not been cloned/emulated for mac. even if they were, there's no telling if jobs would allow it--since he's already demonstrated he likes wielding a heavy hammer on iphone apps.

Features: apple brags about interoperability. again, you're not getting the whole picture. apple is interoperable....if you only have other apple products (and you are fortunate enough never to encounter random, systemic crashes). i like to compare this to a drug-dealer; the first fix is free (well...not so much free, but it's there to get you hooked). of course, once you jump on the apple bandwagon, you'll learn that that interoperability doesn't extend to windows. you like itunes for music? great...but you'll be stuck with ipod/iphone. this is apple's solution; create a proprietary format. once you hook someone on the ease of the service/feature--they can't switch. now itunes may have been the shez-nett back when it debuted...but there are MUCH, MUCH better alternatives available now. in fact, that's pretty much the story about all apple products. they're great for the first year or so...but they're soon surpassed by competing products with better features at a lower price-point.

THAT'S my beef with apple. if you're a nincompoop when it comes to technology--and you have zero desire to improve your savvy or do any research--then apple is a great choice. otherwise, my advice is to stay away and find better alternatives (i.e. droid 1 > iphone 3gs).

[GTO Assassin]

Ok. I'm starting to get where you're coming from. You'de like to strangle most of the idiots that use apple as there are better/cheaper alternatives. I get that. But doesn't that go for most things in life? For instance, take our car platform. Shirley there are better/faster/more reliable alternatives? I can't argue about windows capabilities as I just dont get that nor really care as for me, if it works for me, I'm happy. Like I said, in media, if you're video editing, Final Cut is the weapon of choice. When I first used FC, I hated it. I found it was a more complex version of AVID, but after a little time I loved it. It's can't say it's better than AVID or Adobe Premier or some of the other editing platforms, but it's brilliant for what I need.

Scotty

[j2k4]

Ok. I'm starting to get where you're coming from. You'de like to strangle most of the idiots that use apple as there are better/cheaper alternatives. I get that. But doesn't that go for most things in life? For instance, take our car platform. Shirley there are better/faster/more reliable alternatives? I can't argue about windows capabilities as I just dont get that nor really care as for me, if it works for me, I'm happy. Like I said, in media, if you're video editing, Final Cut is the weapon of choice. When I first used FC, I hated it. I found it was a more complex version of AVID, but after a little time I loved it. It's can't say it's better than AVID or Adobe Premier or some of the other editing platforms, but it's brilliant for what I need.

Scotty

Y'know, that's the problem:

None of us ever gets to strangle anyone, anymore.