Bitching about a 4g in a 3000GT

[AudibleSilence]

The R34 GTR is nearly 3500 with a 2.6, I guess it is an insult to cars as well by your standards.

1) You don't know what my standards are...so don't speak as if you do.
2) The R34 GT-R is a big girl, but she also had one of the most sophisticated AWD systems ever put into a production car to make up for it. This car doesn't. How you put the power down is just as important as how and when you make it.
3) We could compare torque curves in the RB20 vs. the 4G for shits and giggles. No...wait...I don't actually care enough to.

That is exactly why this was done. I don't see where the OP said the 6G engines were turds or anything. I don't know why you guys are arguing about it. Create a build thread for what you've been doing, more variety is better for everyone. We can't all build billet DR setups or T3/T4 setups.

No, but there's a reason so many people do... No one said he said the 6G engine was crap, if anything these DSM fanbois have been the ones saying that. I and a few others just think this doesn't make sense from a pure performance aspect.

It's a smaller engine with a less favorable torque curve in a heavier car than what it was built for. From a pure "Wow he did it" point of view that's pretty cool! From a "I wanna go fast point of view" no...no this is actually the reverse of what you should do.

But the question is do you think a 3500lbs 600hp 6g would be faster or a 3500lbs 600hp 4g car with same trans? He already had everything for a 600-700hp car.All he needed was a built engine.

600hp in a 3500lb car...is slow. I'm easily over 650whp and over 700wtq in a 3200lb car and I consider that slow. Cars are coming with 500-600hp from the factory these days. 600 just isn't a lot anymore.

[donniekak]

I don't understand. Everybody with the better ideas should buy everything, and fab up their own idea like Eric did. Everybody doesn't want to bolt some dr turbos to a pampena block. Some people like to create their own vision, instead of borrowing another's.

Building a car starts with a goal. And for a high 9 low 10 car that's cost effective, and already road mapped out by dozens of people at least, an auto 4g setup is a good idea. A 4g probably wouldn't like the getrag ratios in a heavy car. But, for a lighter car, with an automatic trans that takes 9000+ Rpms to hit 9's it's a very good idea. 6g72's don't like high rpms, and running one out near 10k to stay off a rev limiter through the traps would be very scary.

I'm willing to bet no one complaining about this build has actually raced with a w4a33 transmission. It takes serious rpms to go fast. Also, torque converter choice is everything. If the turbo doesn't spool until 4000+ rpms, just get a converter that flashes to 4000 rpms. In a well setup turbo auto car, there is no reason to ever be out of boost when racing.

[CoreyB]

Everyone is jumping on this being about being fast. It doesnt have to be fast, it doesnt have to be practical, its about having fun. Just doing something different and having fun doing it. People are always saying there going to do stupid stuff to there base model 3S, but the will NEVER actually do ANYTHING. Personally, I love it when someone does something, anything, just dont go around talking.

[mehrshadvr4]

Everyone is jumping on this being about being fast. It doesnt have to be fast, it doesnt have to be practical, its about having fun. Just doing something different and having fun doing it. People are always saying there going to do stupid stuff to there base model 3S, but the will NEVER actually do ANYTHING. Personally, I love it when someone does something, anything, just dont go around talking.

I don't think a heavy car with 100hp 150ftlbs of tq will be much fun. lol When the turbos come online the story hopefully will be different.

I don't understand. Everybody with the better ideas should buy everything, and fab up their own idea like Eric did. Everybody doesn't want to bolt some dr turbos to a pampena block. Some people like to create their own vision, instead of borrowing another's.

Building a car starts with a goal. And for a high 9 low 10 car that's cost effective, and already road mapped out by dozens of people at least, an auto 4g setup is a good idea. A 4g probably wouldn't like the getrag ratios in a heavy car. But, for a lighter car, with an automatic trans that takes 9000+ Rpms to hit 9's it's a very good idea. 6g72's don't like high rpms, and running one out near 10k to stay off a rev limiter through the traps would be very scary.

I'm willing to bet no one complaining about this build has actually raced with a w4a33 transmission. It takes serious rpms to go fast. Also, torque converter choice is everything. If the turbo doesn't spool until 4000+ rpms, just get a converter that flashes to 4000 rpms. In a well setup turbo auto car, there is no reason to ever be out of boost when racing.

6g likes to rev to 9000rpm. It has shorter stroke than 4g, but reving that high without proper damper will kill any engine. You just need a proper tools to rev high. I mean how much a 700hp 300gt would trap anyway? Maybe in high 130s or high 40s which shouldn't take 9000rpm with atx to get there. I'll be very impressed if this car run 9s. It would suck for so many 3/s people with more money in to it .lol

[AudibleSilence]

Everyone is jumping on this being about being fast. It doesnt have to be fast, it doesnt have to be practical, its about having fun. Just doing something different and having fun doing it. People are always saying there going to do stupid stuff to there base model 3S, but the will NEVER actually do ANYTHING. Personally, I love it when someone does something, anything, just dont go around talking.

Correct me if I am wrong but..didn't he say he was building this in part for drag?

[sketch]

let's let this thread get back on course with what OP wants to do with it; people who want to discuss how much they dislike it should make a new thread or take it to private messaging so as to not pollute this thread

and to clarify/answer the question, OP never said drag, he said "toy"

Correct me if I am wrong but..didn't he say he was building this in part for drag?

I didn't jump into (and complete) a full on engine/trans swap without doing a little homework. I'm a member on tuners and link. I have consulted with donniekak on numerous occasions (as well as members running deep into the 9's through dsm forums). Also been in donnie's FP red talon in both 2.0 and 2.3. Manual and auto. Balance shaft deleted.

This is not a DD. It's a toy. My toy, and I am building it to be exactly what I want. DSM heart. 1G VR4 looks and amenities.

Seriously, who would go through the trouble of sourcing everything necessary for a full engine swap, research, measure, research, measure, research, measure, cut/weld, wire and actually successfully start it up without thinking about how it will perform for it's intended use????

[CoreyB]

I didnt mean fun to drive specifically, its the project, the build, the challenge that is fun.

[donniekak]

My car with 245/45/17 tires took almost 8500 rpms to do 130.

The important issue here, like some are bringing up, is that Eric had an idea and implemented it. How many hype threads are there? This is a reverse hype thread, and people still bitch. I work on awd turbo mitsus all the time, and my hat goes off to Eric for doing something very different. If it doesn't work right, and he doesn't like it for some odd reason, I'm sure he'll have a built 6g72 back in there before most people in this thread change their oil.

Some of us love doing this car thing.

[AudibleSilence]

I don't understand. Everybody with the better ideas should buy everything, and fab up their own idea like Eric did. Everybody doesn't want to bolt some dr turbos to a pampena block. Some people like to create their own vision, instead of borrowing another's.

Sooooo...everyone using the Stroker/Billet road map is just borrowing someone else's vision but:

Building a car starts with a goal. And for a high 9 low 10 car that's cost effective, and already road mapped out by dozens of people at least, an auto 4g setup is a good idea.

Swapping in a 4G that has been "road mapped out by dozens" is innovation... Got it.

A 4g probably wouldn't like the getrag ratios in a heavy car. But, for a lighter car, with an automatic trans that takes 9000+ Rpms to hit 9's it's a very good idea. 6g72's don't like high rpms, and running one out near 10k to stay off a rev limiter through the traps would be very scary.

You don't have to spin up a larger engine that high because it makes more torque/power sooner/more efficiently. 6G72's don't NEED high RPM to make good power. Even if you wanted to rev it that high for some reason you can always work the heads and change the valve train to suit your needs.

I'm confused on your comment about the trans and ratios. The DSM AWD T/AWD ATX 3s trannies are nearly identical....

[AudibleSilence]

let's let this thread get back on course with what OP wants to do with it; people who want to discuss how much they dislike it should make a new thread or take it to private messaging so as to not pollute this thread

People can disagree all they like. I suggest you use the ignore feature if you don't like what people are saying. Either way, stop whining.

and to clarify/answer the question, OP never said drag, he said "toy"

Ahhh yes, I reread and he said toy, someone else said drag car.