Official 2013 NFL Discussion Thread

[sergechronos]

I agree with his old motion being more accurate. it's tough to replace years of engrained technique like that. but the problem with it is in the pocket on a traditional pass. that long delay gives the defense time to react. while in college it wasn't as much of a problem when you get to the pro level they guys are 10x faster and 10x better at reading the offense.

It is an issue, however his accuracy and range was much better then and that's more important in my eyes. Who cares if the defense can react? If your throw can't make it or is inaccurate, the defenses ability or inability to react in time is pretty much irrelevant. Of course the Pats allege that his throwing motion is much better now that he's been working with coaches and blah blah blah>



For those who can't watch it:
.6 seconds to throw with his old motion, .4 seconds is the average for NFL QBs. With his "new" mechanics, he shaved 10% off of his release time. So, he now takes .54 seconds to throw the ball, and he throws it like shit. Not worth it IMO.

ah, so it's a republican party problem; where what it takes to get nominated isn't compatible with what it takes to get you elected.

You put it so succinctly.

[IPD]

yeah. that sounds like an o-line problem.

[Echo419]

like the guy said at the end, "in college" he set passing records. besides there being alot more to that than just his throwing motion like I said it's college not pro. how many people have we seen be top studs in college and complete busts in the NFL? another flaw to his throwing motion of old is getting the ball knocked out of his hands on the back swing. this was put on display nationally during his Senior bowl game. also besides the time it takes the ball to come out of his hand there is the way he finds the reciever and sets up to throw. it's a dead give away to the defense where he's going.

if this wasn't a real issue top level NFL coaches and scouts wouldn't be trying to fix this. these are seasoned professionals, they know what they're talking about.

[j2k4]

how many people have we seen be top studs in college and complete busts in the NFL?

Every time I hear that phrase I think of Andre Ware...

I have to say this, cuz it's funny...I watched Ware warm-up way before games many times when my kid was in PPK, and Jerry Ball (the Lions nose tackle, for those who may not remember him) used to try to give Ware pointers on how to throw the long sideline pass; Jerry could throw to a spot from 50-60 yards away, EVERY TIME - Ware was lucky if he threw a ball that was even caught.

Lord, he was horrible...

[stealthee]

How many Heisman winners have been busts in the NFL?

[j2k4]

How many Heisman winners have been busts in the NFL?

Several times several.

Without going down the list, I'll say most.

EDIT:

Just took a look, and by my reckoning, I would say 18 busts since 1980.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

A whole helluva lot more than there should be. Almost a curse...

Jeremy

[IPD]

cam newton? rofl.

i think the mannings are about the only top picked QB's in the last 20 years that weren't total busts.

verdict remains out on luck.

[Echo419]

cam newton? rofl.

i think the mannings are about the only top picked QB's in the last 20 years that weren't total busts.

verdict remains out on luck.

I think Eli is a decent QB with great players around him. particularly that defense. that won the 1st SB for him and those so great passes on that last drive were shit passes that were great catches. great QB's make teams better. no one can tell me that Eli on the Cardinals for example would make them better

[sergechronos]

cam newton? rofl.

i think the mannings are about the only top picked QB's in the last 20 years that weren't total busts.

verdict remains out on luck.

Not sold on Luck. People forget that the Colts were a good team with Manning there and god awful with Painter at the helm, but everybody saw how bad the Colts were with Painter when Manning was still there. Not like the Colts when they Sucked for Luck were near as bad as their record indicated.

As far as Newton, I hate him. Hate the fact that he plays for Carolina, and that they basically abandoned Williams and Stewart in favor of the Cam Newton show. Also not sure why the fuck they brought in Tolbert into an already loaded backfield.