My Quest to Prove Ray Pampena a mortal man.

[Uniuno]

I don't think Ray or Matt have ever made a hype thread and failed to deliver two years later.

I hate hype threads. I read this one hopeful that two years later after it had been started that something came of it and nothing, no dyno, no 1/4 time, nothing but a huge disappointment.

Props to Ray, Matt, STM, and everyone else that actually deliver. I'm going to go back and re-read Permanent Grin's thread..

[kywhitelightning]

wow a lot of debate going on here lol.

Simple formula really, 13t with the right supporting mods and tuned right, prob a high 10 sec car possibly. Seems like around that 500 - 550 awhp range is your min for a shot at 10's, thats pushing the upper limits of td04 territory but it can and has been done. From that point its just a matter of driving it right and getting it to the ground effectively.

Problem is there are so many poorly done mods out there and people who just do not know what they are getting themselves into or just don't have the budget to do so. How many 10 sec car for $5k attempt threads have there been?

If it's such a simple formula why has NO ONE ever done it on 13T's? The highest dyno I remember on 13T's was right at 500 and that car I believe hasn't made it out of the 12's. The only way I ever expect to see a 13T car in the 10's is for it to be a shell of what used to be a 3S.

Jeff

[NOMIEZVR4]

hype threads FTL...

[Hard AttacK]

That's the shit i dont LIKE. how would you expect to launch your car thay hard?

[Alex3000gt]

"You know, Edwin knows a few things."

http://goo.gl/w80xC0

[Ray Pampena]

Soooo am I mortal?? I feel like I am because my back hurts and my job is stressful!

[Alex3000gt]

I found a picture of Dillon updating this thread.

[Streamln1]

If it's such a simple formula why has NO ONE ever done it on 13T's? The highest dyno I remember on 13T's was right at 500 and that car I believe hasn't made it out of the 12's. The only way I ever expect to see a 13T car in the 10's is for it to be a shell of what used to be a 3S.

Jeff

Then they were a horrible driver or had other issues with the car. 500 awhp will get you well into the 11 sec range easily.
13t with the HL turbine wheel should be able to push past 500 awhp and it seems above 550 is where good driving is knocking on the door of 10's. If one was on a mission to make it happen there is a chance. There are a lot easier setups out there go reliably get into the 10 sec range, most people just don't spend the money, time or skill to do it right, thats why you only see a handfull of cars on that 10 sec list. The 13t is pretty close to a 15g in flow capabilites imo. I have had both btw and I probably did more 13t research than most. The point is the 13t turbo setup is geared more towards budget builds and not people who are serious about making big power and dropping big money, so how many people had a setup that was truely capable of testing the limits of a 13t?

[sergechronos]

If it's such a simple formula why has NO ONE ever done it on 13T's? The highest dyno I remember on 13T's was right at 500 and that car I believe hasn't made it out of the 12's. The only way I ever expect to see a 13T car in the 10's is for it to be a shell of what used to be a 3S.

Jeff

Ray squeezed 515awhp out of someone's not too long ago. But regardless of hp, the times are subject to a LOT of variables. Track preparation, driver skill of course, whether or not the driveline had been braced up, type of tires, and weather would make a huge difference. I'm not saying that a 13T will definitely run 10s, but that doesn't mean it's impossible, you'd just need several factors just right.

As has been pointed out before, Ray and Chris manage to squeeze more time out of the same cars than their owners because they clearly are sacrificing bulls to Poseidon or something in exchange for the skill/fortune.

At 450-500awhp, should trap somewhere around 115-120, which would be around mid 11s with a good driver. If everything else goes your way, you have slicks on, drive train is braced and ready for it, you *may* be able to trim it down to low 11s at full weight and MAYBE (but unlikely) high 10s in a stripped out form. Mustgofaster on 3si ran an 11.4 at around 3300 pounds on 93 octane:

60' = 1.654
330 = 4.762
1/8 = 7.349 @ 96.46
1000' = 9.544
1/4 = 11.409 @ 120.07 MPH

Next run I got another 1.6 60' but biffed the 1-2 shift and aborted the pass.

So is anybody sure of the 13T record? I made all these passes on 93 octane pump gas as well, nothing else.

Setup:
WRX 13T's, custom 2.25" SS intake pipes. 20-21 PSI dropping to ~19.5 @7K
Ebay down pipe, gutted rear precat, stock cat back cut off next to the rear diff.
Custom FMIC with 24x12x4 Garret core and 2" hot piping, 2.5" cold. Tial 50mm BOV.
880cc injectors, AEM EMS, One Walbro 255, not hot wired. Stock rail loop and FPR.
Stock long block, ~130K on it, heads re-done 10K ago, NO PORT WORK
NA VICS manifold, switches at 3K, the short runners are slightly short than TT runners.
Southbend Rally (stage 1) clutch, stock FW
5 speed AWD trans with a Kormex front diff, NBT OS and a EK2 T-case brace.
245/45/17 Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs @ 28/26 PSI.
Race weight: 3380lbs (with me), they had a scale.
It's not a street car, but it did make the 270 mile round trip to BIR on it's own power.

Perhaps given race gas/E85 and slicks, could cut it down a bit more. No port work to heads, no cams and no cam gears also leaves some power table. The VICS may also possibly hurt power up top. Not sure if he was still doing the factory MAF or had switched to blow thru or speed density (given he had an AEM), given power he would've been at the upper end of what the factory MAF would handle and might partially explain why he couldn't turn up the boost without it going leaner despite having enough injector and pump. Dynojet later in the thread put him at around 440hp and 460 tq.

Assuming that 100lb =.1 ET, would put it around 12 seconds at full weight. I think someone at NG a few years ago ran 11.6 with 13Ts, unsure of what mods or weight he had.

I would say theoretically 10s are within reach at the limit, but you'd need a lot more supporting mods/work and skill to make it happen. Just not really worth it honestly when you could get DRs that WILL get you there and probably with less expense.

[kywhitelightning]

Then they were a horrible driver or had other issues with the car. 500 awhp will get you well into the 11 sec range easily.
13t with the HL turbine wheel should be able to push past 500 awhp and it seems above 550 is where good driving is knocking on the door of 10's. If one was on a mission to make it happen there is a chance. There are a lot easier setups out there go reliably get into the 10 sec range, most people just don't spend the money, time or skill to do it right, thats why you only see a handfull of cars on that 10 sec list. The 13t is pretty close to a 15g in flow capabilites imo. I have had both btw and I probably did more 13t research than most. The point is the 13t turbo setup is geared more towards budget builds and not people who are serious about making big power and dropping big money, so how many people had a setup that was truely capable of testing the limits of a 13t?

Not very many. There are only 2 that I'm aware of that broke 500 and they weren't much above it. While they seem to be a great turbo to use, they certainly haven't proven to be the ticket to 10's.

Ray squeezed 515awhp out of someone's not too long ago. But regardless of hp, the times are subject to a LOT of variables. Track preparation, driver skill of course, whether or not the driveline had been braced up, type of tires, and weather would make a huge difference. I'm not saying that a 13T will definitely run 10s, but that doesn't mean it's impossible, you'd just need several factors just right.

As has been pointed out before, Ray and Chris manage to squeeze more time out of the same cars than their owners because they clearly are sacrificing bulls to Poseidon or something in exchange for the skill/fortune.

At 450-500awhp, should trap somewhere around 115-120, which would be around mid 11s with a good driver. If everything else goes your way, you have slicks on, drive train is braced and ready for it, you *may* be able to trim it down to low 11s at full weight and MAYBE (but unlikely) high 10s in a stripped out form. Mustgofaster on 3si ran an 11.4 at around 3300 pounds on 93 octane:




Perhaps given race gas/E85 and slicks, could cut it down a bit more. No port work to heads, no cams and no cam gears also leaves some power table. The VICS may also possibly hurt power up top. Not sure if he was still doing the factory MAF or had switched to blow thru or speed density (given he had an AEM), given power he would've been at the upper end of what the factory MAF would handle and might partially explain why he couldn't turn up the boost without it going leaner despite having enough injector and pump. Dynojet later in the thread put him at around 440hp and 460 tq.

Assuming that 100lb =.1 ET, would put it around 12 seconds at full weight. I think someone at NG a few years ago ran 11.6 with 13Ts, unsure of what mods or weight he had.

I would say theoretically 10s are within reach at the limit, but you'd need a lot more supporting mods/work and skill to make it happen. Just not really worth it honestly when you could get DRs that WILL get you there and probably with less expense.

You can't tell me that 3380 WITH a driver is not a stripped down version of what a 3S is. I'll stick to my statement until someone proves me incorrect. I doubt that'll ever happen though.

The recent 515 dynoed car at Ray's shop has already expressed intrest in a larger set of turbos, hmm wonder why?

Jeff