Maybe he needed to be sure they where a solid product....Didn't he also put a sequential shifter in his 6-speed 3S?Quote:
Originally Posted by DocWalt
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Maybe he needed to be sure they where a solid product....Didn't he also put a sequential shifter in his 6-speed 3S?Quote:
Originally Posted by DocWalt
I'm trying to workout if I want to go the 40mm DMS street shocks for 3.5K or the 50mm hardcore shocks for $4.8k it's only 1k difference....and the 50mm are 2 way adjustable unlike the 40mm..
waiting to see what prices turn up from the USA too..as Australia is ALWAYS 25% more expensive than anything over there.
Bilsteins.Quote:
DG..got a brand of Coil overs that you would recommend...preferably under 2K
It's not rocket science to fit a coilover sleeve.
The "shock" part of the Bilstein is just so much better than all the alternatives that it massively outweighs whatever annoyance comes with fitting a strut insert into an OEM "foot".
And these days, Bilsteins are stupid cheap. You can buy three sets for the price of the Chinese crap.
DG
I'll tell you what.
If somebody sends me a set of OEM shock assemblies (one front, one rear, complete with the upper hats and springs) and a pair of Bilsteins (one front, one rear) I'll draw up a set of drawings and do a how-to web page for converting them to take-apart coilovers.
DG
Ohhh please do! awesome idea.
What price would you expect this setup to run to? and will I still be able to my car stupidly low :p [like in my sig]Quote:
Originally Posted by DG
I'll do it the way I do the Koni setup for DSMs - release the drawings publicly, place some restrictions on commercial sale to prevent vendors from ripping you off by jacking the price, and put instructions online.
You then make a PayPal donation to cover bandwidth and my time.
You'll need a machine shop do do the actual build, but the tough part is the design, not the build. Any machine shop can do this stuff.
But I need seed parts to start. I'm not ripping my car apart (I think the OEM ECS suspension is actually very good and will be keeping it) and I'm not investing any of my own money.
DG
Any downsides to using these DG? They were just released last week and adapt our lower strut mount to an Evo strut mount: http://www.3sgto.org/f65/new-product...ters-4904.html
According to Supercar we can adapt/bolt-on any strut/suspension from Evo 8-9 to 3/S. A really big options door just swung open...
yeah bitch's :) checkout this, these things must way 1/3rd more than the Tein rubbish, everything is solid...durable...well designed.
The Evo Top Camber/Caster Adjusters:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01373.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01374.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01375.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01402.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01403.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01405.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01406.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01407.JPG
The Shocks
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01376.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01377.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01378.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01379.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01380.JPG
First Thoughts:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01382.JPG
The meat.
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01395.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01396.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01421.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01409.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01401.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...S/DSC01398.JPG
Manual:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilov...structions.pdf
Everything I have to do with these: Index of /car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS
Fuck yeah. Those billet tops look sexy as.
Some observations: these would be more like double the weight of the Teins, I'm going to find it the totals and of course post them (with pictures) everything on these is just amazing, even the strut tops weigh LOTS, notice how they have progressive springs...also no adjustable clevis, so they are ROAD LEGAL YAY. I may have to butcher the lower clevis washer mount system as I MAY need more shock camber than they account for...in theory the total outer diameter of these is actually less than the Teins, time will tell.
edit: they are 7.4 kg each
Hrm. So he is using an adapter sleeve to take up the difference in the bolt sizes on the lower front, and he has that block to convert the EVO clevis to the 3S post mount on the lower rear.Quote:
Any downsides to using these DG? They were just released last week and adapt our lower strut mount to an Evo strut mount: New Product: SCE 3/S-EVO8 Suspension Adapters
Yeah, that would work. I'm not a huge fan of the bushing on the lower rear - I'd use a bearing - but there's not much room to work with there so maybe the bushing is the only way to make it work.
That looks like an acceptable option, and is better than using junk shocks.
Note though that OTS EVO shocks WILL need to be revalved for the 3S. The odds on an EVO valving being right are close to zero.
DG
Swwweeeet !Quote:
Originally Posted by MR2
bringing this back from the dead and adding some info. Keep us updated MR2 !
These adapters will allow you to bolt on any Mitsubishi EVO-8 or 9 suspension kit onto your AWD 3000GT VR-4 or Stealth R/T TT. EVO is a similar car with a similar weight distribution, and is only a few hundred pounds lither than the 3/S. Any EVO suspension kit with reasonably stiff springs will work fine on the 3/S.
Enjoy running any brand name suspension you like on you 3/S ! ! ! !
Supercar Engineering
http://supercar-engineering.com/sc2/...VOadapters.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...mUJzcXwlhewkzQ
http://www.shock-shop.com/images/Ohl...car_46hmrx.jpg
http://www.worksevo.com/images/Ohlins/Ohlins2.JPG
(This is what the factory wrc team used/(s)) (the best of the best of the best)
gravel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOIo...eature=related
snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IghFJHEIMYk&feature=related
tarmac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMNnyj55q4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WFD8y6Fas
WORKS
see the price
there is also (not a gravel suspension
BILSTEIN PSS9
Performance Suspension System with 9 damping adjustments is the “race inspired” fully adjustable ride height system featuring mono-tube gas shock absorbers with nine precise damping adjustments. The system includes adjustable mono-tube gas shock absorbers with nine precise compression and rebound settings from comfort to competition, and progressive rate springs which allow accurate adjustment of vehicle ride height and center of gravity for the level of performance you seek. The most comfortable suspension system for EVO.
Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers Mitsubishi EVO 03-06
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/imag...s_PSS9_LRG.jpg
http://www.carmodsaustralia.com.au/e...8-4525-lrg.jpg
Ohlins Road and Track Coilovers
Ohlins has introduced the final step in their automotive design process, the Road & Track Series.
The 30 year long tradition of high-end racing and state-of-the-art suspension technology is now available for daily driven street cars all over the world. Their focus has been clear from the beginning, superior road handling and feel without sacrificing the drive-ability or comfort of you street driven automobile.
They have also lightened the weight by replacing a majority of parts with aluminum. On top of that, Ohlins has also put their shocks through a vast corrosion test process according to ISO 9227 procedures. The end result is a 2-year warranty on all of their products - worldwide.
Features:
DFV (Dual Flow Valve)
Corrosion salt spray tested to ISO 9227 - 2 year warranty
Single bleed/Preloaded spring adjusters
Fully re-buildable w/dust-covers
Front Springs: 572lbs/in Rear Spring: 458lbs/in
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...nd_Track/16695
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/imag..._Track_LRG.jpg
Long story short, I bought them, started fitting them & then they got stolen, so I'm saving for some Tein top plates (will allow dialing in more camber/castor) and replacement shocks again (same ones)
<:O Holy crap! $12K for shocks??? are you insane? damn dude... they better come with a lifetime free replacement... lol
That's terrible MR2, you should invest in some "home security"
http://images.wikia.com/houseofthede...e/80592301.jpg
I'm thinking electrifying the garage door.
Has anyone actually looked into actually having the suspension built at a race shop?? Since there is a ton of EVO shops and now we can bolt evo suspension it ours cars why not call one of those shops and have them built you a coilover set with whatever spring rates you need with proper valving. I mean if you are going to spend that much in suspension might as well get it custom built for your car.
when I spoke to DMS about the coilovers they did say that they would ship me something made for what I wanted to do with the car...which is pretty much what you talk about as I see it?
so you got custom valving and spring rates??
yep, told them exactly how I wanted it and they said they built them for me :)
What did you end up going with for the spring rates on the fronts and rears?
yet to have any incentive to touch the rears, the fronts I went with 300lb springs (we decided on slighly harder than stock :)
in case you missed it the shocks have 2 way adjustable valves
Cool, now install them and get us some feedback :)
How long would this take to do? Right now my car is my DD, but it'll probably be down for a bit in the summer (120k service + body work), so I could send you the parts then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DG