Ever wonder what Apple really thinks of its customers?

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Originally Posted by stealthify

Thadd, so good to see your cynicism towards Apple hasn't subsided :p I was wondering when you were going to show up in this thread and spew more personal, bias and bitter hate.


Point out one lie I've given in any of these threads. :rolleyes:

I speak from personal experience, and I give links to direct and neutral sources whenever possible. After nearly 20 years of using Apple products (from the shitty ones to the ones I've been quite content with), I feel a bit more qualified to talk about where they excel and where they fall flat. You, on the other hand, talk out of your ass.

Want some examples?

iPhone 4 "Antennagate"
Apple offers a free case program, which prevents the "bridging" of the two antennas:
Apple to Give iPhone 4 Users Free Cases | PCWorld
For those that don't want this only viable fix, they are repeatedly told that they would receive a full and easy refund if they want. Yeah, Apple sucks.

Some iMacs Having Yellow-tinted Screens
Apple acknowledges and offers a fix:
The Conclusion to the Faulty iMac Saga: The Beginning of the Fix
I see no blaming of the customer here, or trying to call it a "feature." They take responsibility and fix the damn issue. And again you say, Apple sucks.

etc etc.


Fixed. And you're right. Even Steve Jobs, with his "reality distortion field" could admit that:

Apple's Steve Jobs admits 'we are not perfect' - Telegraph



Now, if you pulled your head out from the sand for more than a few moments, maybe you'd have a better understanding of what exactly is going on and who, in reality, the greater villains in the tech industry are.

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shaun, you can quote useless examples all day long. how LONG did it take apple to respond to these type of problems? for comparison, how long did it take nintendo to respond to broken wrist-straps? how long does it take for MS to respond to similar types of security flaws in its OS? i'm not talking out of my ass--only an itard like you would perceive it as thus. the give-a-shit-about-the-customer factor at apple has dropped off a cliff. it has everything to do with the ungodly profit margins. since apple makes money hand-over-fist, it figures it doesn't have to care about all of those little things that its competitor MS does. like expedient patching of security flaws. like playing-nice with 3rd party software. like not requiring all users to chiefly be stuck with proprietary formats that don't translate well to non-apple stuff.

it's also utter hogwash that you think this blogger is unfairly after apple instead of nvidia. this consumer didn't buy directly from nvidia--he bought from apple. if apple CHOOSES to source nvidia's crap, then apple gets to deal with what happens when nvidia fails.

what i have notice from our long, less than resolved banter (never argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level & beat you with experience)--is that the reality distortion field is contagious. if you think the OP is an entitled douchbag, just because he insists a tech company stand behind it's product...then you're daffier than i thought. hell, RRoD seems tame by comparison to the stuff i've seen apple do.

honestly, there ought to be a law against conducting business "the apple way". and by "apple way" i mean:

1. blatently rip-off existing tech & market it in some nifty, clever way--pretend that you invented it.
2. file 763,456,452,012,302 patents on it--regardless of how banal, stupid, or rubbish they actually are.
3. file 285,201,409,795 preliminary injunctions against any would-be competitors that prevent them from bringing any product to market.
4. scream bloody murder about your "intellectual property" being stolen.
5. release newer, updated versions of your product "now mysteriously trouble free" (or as trouble free as crapple gets).
6. encourage existing consumers to upgrade for a "fix" to known issues, rather than fixing a 1-year old product with design flaws.
7. rinse, repeat.

if i'm going to be called a "tool" by an itard, i'll happily wear that name with pride. apple is every bit the antichrist, machiavellian, totalitarian junta that it's original "1984" ad made MS out to be. the most stunningly perplexing thing about that fact is that the itards are too blinded by their terminal cases of reality-distortion to actually see it.

Thadd, I see idiocy and a complete lack of logic in your response. Those "useless examples" are the facts that shatter your shit-spewing lies and one-sided responses. You'll never side with Apple, no matter what good they do. Arguing with you is pointless, but I'll do it anyways.

How fast does Apple respond to issues? According to you, never fast enough. In reality, we're talking about a few weeks. Enough time to get a grasp of the issue, pinpoint a solution and send it to the people to be implemented. Here's some "useless examples" for you:

• Apple posts MacDefender removal info, promises fix | Apple Talk - CNET News
  (solution provided about 2-3 weeks after the problem was first discovered)
• Apple says 27in iMac screen problems 'resolved' - Telegraph
  (16 weeks to determine how widespread the problem is, come up with a solution, and send out the solution)
• Apple responds to Flashback trojan, promises removal tool | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
  (less than a week)

If you really want to compare it to MS responses, you'll find it much more beneficial to avoid that topic:

• Is MS ignoring Windows Me vulnerability? - ZDNet
• Microsoft ignores malware evolution threat to Office | DaniWeb
• More evidence that Microsoft IGNORES security vulnerabilit..

And my favorite,

Microsoft finally catches the eight year bug | TechRepublic

So...

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Originally Posted by IPD

i'm not talking out of my ass

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Yes Thadd, you are talking out of your ass.

And with that not-so-new discovery, clearly the following statement is worthy of redirecting:

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Originally Posted by IPD

never argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level & beat you with experience

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This is nothing new from you, especially in how you treat those that wish to have differing opinion than yourself. So, I'm just going to leave it at this: be whatever *tard you want to be Thadd, and I'll continue to represent the "iTards." I'm content with that.

about what i expect from you shaun. and no, i won't post sources. every time i have, you accuse me of choosing "anti-apple-biased" sites. so go fuck yourself. i'll take dailytech > your bs apple fanboi crap 6-ways to sunday.

p.s.

posting "dirt" on MS from 12 years ago? really? that's actually about what i'd expect from an itard. and i'll remind you anyone with 5 minutes of spare time can pull up a LITANY of known apple exploits without even trying. every time you try and point a finger at MS, you have 3 pointing back at apple. i'm all for competition and driving down prices--but apple doesn't compete. apple litigates. apple can go fuck itself in the ass with a sharp stick.

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i'm fairly certain that alan could post an article proving that steve jobs raped babies for 10 years & that apple products are proven to give you rabies--and regardless of how much factual data was presented--shaun would happily climb abord his not-for-profit spin-wagon and drive to apple's rescue. i'm beginning to wonder if he's ever been offered a job as an astroturfer.

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i like how all the "pro-apple" stuff you posted is ultimately via something someone in apple's media department said. well how's this for starters "IPD is the greatest dude in the known universe--BBC reported earlier today. (source: IPD)."

Sorry Thadd, can't talk right now. Enjoying my Apple products and taking the night off.

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Originally Posted by IPD

go fuck yourself

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Originally Posted by stealthify

Sorry Thadd, can't talk right now. Enjoying my Apple products and taking the night off.


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try not to get the spunk in your eye.

iFans = computer illiterate guys/gay trendies and girls/women... thats fact.

nice girl pants Rockgod :)

Seems like Mike just finally showed his true colors as a bigot. Color me shocked.

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Originally Posted by eljefefx

Seems like Mike just finally showed his true colors as a bigot. Color me shocked.

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sorry for insulting your selection of pants...

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Originally Posted by Mikes2nd

sorry for insulting your selection of pants...

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Meh, we do what we can:

http://www.new-navy-uniform.com/site...es-735x637.jpg

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Originally Posted by eljefefx

Meh, we do what we can:

http://www.new-navy-uniform.com/site...es-735x637.jpg

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and when you wear it with a turtleneck, you look like a henchman that james bond is going to send to a premature death.

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Originally Posted by eljefefx

Meh, we do what we can:

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don't ask don't tell :)

That was repealed.

Steve Jobs would be proud. Unless he created this type of 'customers are garbage' nature. PC's all the way!

hi nav!

btw: if it's any consolation. Once you leave america - apple doesn't even exist. Foreignres don't care about apple products (aside form the fact they can't afford them). Anyone's travelled the world can confirm this. People in asia/south america/most of europe & africa don't use Apple. Even ipads are too much.

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Originally Posted by Nav

Foreignres don't care about apple products

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Don't tell that to the frenzied and rambunctious Chinamen and women that just spent 7.9 billion on iPhone sales alone last quarter, effectively shutting down retail stores and causing one hell of a fuss over a cell phone.

Apple's Chinese iPhone Sales "Mind Boggling." Brings China Revenues to $7.9B - TechCrunch

Not to mention the iPad isn't even for sale over there because of trademark disputes over the name 'iPad.'

Apple is definitely new to the large-scale international market, but then again, they're not just treading water.

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Originally Posted by Nav

Foreignres don't care about apple products (aside form the fact they can't afford them). Anyone's travelled the world can confirm this.

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Uh... no. Apple is a hot commodity in South America, I can speak for Brazilians and Peruvians on that one. Apple products just cost more there, which is why they ask anyone in the states to buy stuff here and bring it to them when you visit. I just brought 2 Macbooks and 3 Iphones to Brazil last month for people that wanted them. (Hell, I'm still rocking a 3GS, and they all wanted to have the Iphone4, they already had the 3GS.)

Pretty popular in South Africa too, though I don't know the relative cost of Apple stuff there vs here.

i think it's just a european thing. everyone else in the world wants to be like americans--except the europeans who consider themselves superior to everything and everyone. the benefit of that is they are fairely immune to following hipster brands like apple.

Want to hear something that might shatter your tightpants-hating world?

Due to the fully acknowledged large market share difference and the undying popularity of grandpa-clothes embracing fashion offenders, there is, no doubt, more hipsters out there actively using PCs than those actively using Macs. Just an observation, but that's the trend I'm seeing around campuses and the 18-28 age group.

Why does Apple keep marketing to them? I don't know. It sells, for now.

Are most Apple users hipsters? Not the ones I know.

Are most Windows users greasy, snorting, pocket-protector wearing, computer nerds with no girlfriends? You guys tell me.

My only observation I have in that respect was when I went to school for software engineering. Small sample group of 33, but the "Hipster" was the only one with a Mac.... just sayin

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Originally Posted by stealthify

Want to hear something that might shatter your tightpants-hating world?

Due to the fully acknowledged large market share difference and the undying popularity of grandpa-clothes embracing fashion offenders, there is, no doubt, more hipsters out there actively using PCs than those actively using Macs. Just an observation, but that's the trend I'm seeing around campuses and the 18-28 age group.

Why does Apple keep marketing to them? I don't know. It sells, for now.

Are most Apple users hipsters? Not the ones I know.

Are most Windows users greasy, snorting, pocket-protector wearing, computer nerds with no girlfriends? You guys tell me.

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if the majority of apple users around you are not hipsters, then you live in an alternate dimension.

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Originally Posted by stealthify

Are most Apple users hipsters? Not the ones I know.

Are most Windows users greasy, snorting, pocket-protector wearing, computer nerds with no girlfriends? You guys tell me.

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Also it seems as if you acknowledge that basically all hipsters use apple, they just aren't the majority. I come to this conclusion because you didn't even try and say hipsters use Microsoft.

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Definitely not denying they exist out there. :p

Then again, I know a hipster that is absolutely in love with buttered toast. Doesn't make me a buttered toast hater. ;)

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Originally Posted by stealthify

Definitely not denying they exist out there. :p

Then again, I know a hipster that is absolutely in love with buttered toast. Doesn't make me a buttered toast hater. ;)

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does he feel he's superior to the rest of humanity because he likes buttered toast?

is he willing to pay 3x fair market price for buttered toast simply because it's the "hip" thing to do?

does he denigrate those who prefer buying their buttered toast ingredients from aldi's or costo--instead of buying it pre-made at panera?



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let's at least make an apples to apple comparison here. if you replace "buttered toast" with "apple products", i can answer all three of those with an emphatic YES for virtually every apple owner i know (with some minor exceptions, possibly including shaun--but for all i know, he's a hipster trying desperately NOT to be identified as such).

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Originally Posted by IPD

let's at least make an apples to apple comparison here.

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does he feel he's superior to the rest of humanity because he likes Apple products?

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This does sound like a lot of PC users I know. You being one of them.

Every post you make seethes with it.

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Originally Posted by IPD

is he willing to pay 3x fair market price for Apple products simply because it's the "hip" thing to do?

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First, define "fair market" price. Are we talking crap plastic cases and laptops that commonly fail after 2 years or depreciate to nearly 50% it's original value after the first? I get a lot of these coming in and out of my office every day. Dell, HP, Sager, you name it.

Second, if PC's ever managed to become "hip" again, you'd be having the same problem. What do you do with the "enemies" that breach your inner gates? It's a good thing Microsoft doesn't market to hipsters. Oh wait... they already do:

Microsoft: Enough with the Hipsters | Gizmodo
Suddenly Microsoft is the Hipsterest Tech Company Around
The Browser You Love to Hate - Microsoft | YouTube

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Originally Posted by IPD

does he denigrate those who prefer buying their buttered toast ingredients from aldi's or costo--instead of buying it pre-made at panera?

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Hey, some hipsters are on a budget too you know. They at least still go to Costco for the lumberjack T's.

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Originally Posted by IPD

possibly including shaun--but for all i know, he's a hipster trying desperately NOT to be identified as such).

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Yes, you might be right. You see right through me. ;)

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Originally Posted by stealthify

This does sound like a lot of PC users I know. You being one of them.

Every post you make seethes with it.


First, define "fair market" price. Are we talking crap plastic cases and laptops that commonly fail after 2 years or depreciate to nearly 50% it's original value after the first? I get a lot of these coming in and out of my office every day. Dell, HP, Sager, you name it.

Second, if PC's ever managed to become "hip" again, you'd be having the same problem. What do you do with the "enemies" that breach your inner gates? It's a good thing Microsoft doesn't market to hipsters. Oh wait... they already do:

Microsoft: Enough with the Hipsters | Gizmodo
Suddenly Microsoft is the Hipsterest Tech Company Around
The Browser You Love to Hate - Microsoft | YouTube


Hey, some hipsters are on a budget too you know. They at least still go to Costco for the lumberjack T's.


Yes, you might be right. You see right through me. ;)

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wow...that's JUST like apple.

apple is like bmw in the USA. no matter how much the car SHOULD be worth...it's actually worth more because people want the "prestige" of owning one. no thanks. oh, and let's not forget the chronic apple overheating issues. apple is lightheartedly referred to as the techie version of a condom--because if you use ANY of their devices on your lap for more than 5 minutes at a time, you'll never get a girl pregnant (future research pending).

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i don't think i'm better than the rest of humanity because i have a PC. i think i'm better than all the itards because i paid WAY, WAY less to have more capabilities and greater freedom to do what i please. :D