wtf is going on? this is starting to be just like 3si with all the flames. jer and ray have different techniques. Ray, i have no clue what you or Jer know in comparison, but i DO know its a whole hell of alot more than me. Ray have you tuned in denver at over a mile high in elevation? Im just asking. Is it the same as back home on the east coast? im sure things would be different am I correct? I do know that JFAST has and does tune quite successfully here in colorado. Try taking a car tuned for sea level and run it up 14,114ft to the top of pikes peak. Pretty sure shit is gonna react different no? Like I said, all that shit you guys are talking about is chinese to me, but lets kinda make it more simplified....

I think he was stating that this map with a completely stock vr4 would be fine. once you changed anything then yes, boom. He agrees no? I just dont like the serious negativity overall in this forum lately. not just this thread....

arent we here to share our knowledge and help one another, not shit on everything someone says, even if you dont agree with it totally. just a thought.




.....flame away