New Aem Ems V2 $1400 shipped

[Jeff V.]

stock computer is no where near as good as a standalone.

Ok. So Mitsubishi spends millions of dollars on a team of engineering professionals to create hardware and software tailored SPECIFICALLY to this car, and then spends countless hours testing that car in a wide variety of extreme conditions....but that's somehow not as good as some aftermarket company building a generic ECU that works with 50 different cars from various manufacturers.

Uhh...right.

lets not also forget these computers leak caps.

The flash ECUs use a totally different capacitor design. They don't leak. Not that it matters, because the clone ECUs people are buying have already had those replaced just for that little bit of extra insurance.

Even if they did have the old leaky capacitors, and even if those caps weren't being replaced, the solution to that problem is to spend a few bucks replacing them. Not dropping $1400+ on a standalone with a steep learning curve.

There's pros and cons to both setups. You're entitled to your opinion. But some of the shit you're saying is just straight up, factually WRONG.

[Greg E]

Just noticed those comments were made before Chrome V2 came out.

[markoverclock]

Ok. So Mitsubishi spends millions of dollars on a team of engineering professionals to create hardware and software tailored SPECIFICALLY to this car, and then spends countless hours testing that car in a wide variety of extreme conditions....but that's somehow not as good as some aftermarket company building a generic ECU that works with 50 different cars from various manufacturers.

Uhh...right.




The flash ECUs use a totally different capacitor design. They don't leak. Not that it matters, because the clone ECUs people are buying have already had those replaced just for that little bit of extra insurance.

Even if they did have the old leaky capacitors, and even if those caps weren't being replaced, the solution to that problem is to spend a few bucks replacing them. Not dropping $1400+ on a standalone with a steep learning curve.

There's pros and cons to both setups. You're entitled to your opinion. But some of the shit you're saying is just straight up, factually WRONG.

You are talking about a ecu designed for the stock engine and stock engine parameters. It works great stock. lets really compare apples to apples here.


a Modified ecu is not the same as a stock ecu. The stock engine has some fail-safes pre-programed for a 300hp car. Meaning it does a good job at low hp levels. if you double that horsepower the system isnt really comparable to a standalone.

the flexability of any injector size, any injector latency scaling talbes, anitlagg, shift light outputs, reconfigureing outputs for various low and high side outputs, the resolution of the talbes and fuel microbit/sec. do i really need to continue and go on?

standalone can give you more flexability and control over the engine. the only reason im selling this one is becuase i want a better one/ more exspensive one pro-efi with full flex fuel capability. Tired of waiting on aem that is suppost to have an update for the vs2 box for flex fuel.

oh ya thats another thing flex fuel ability? um standard ecu uh noo.

[markoverclock]

im so tired of the debate, either buy it, have questions about it. or dont post! If you want to debate either flash ecu or standalone is better start a thread about it.

[Greg E]

im so tired of the debate, either buy it, have questions about it. or dont post! If you want to debate either flash ecu or standalone is better start a thread about it.

You brought it on yourself man...

The flash ECU can do everything you posted about. Most of the info from both your posts are just flat out wrong and that is why you are getting sucked into a debate. Check out the new threads I posted in the ECU section. You'll be amazed at how far the stock 98/99 ECU has come. We are even making them with the earlier gen plugs thus eliminating the need for an adaptor harness. There are guys driving around making 2x stock HP and Ray just picked one up to try out.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to buy one but I will ask that you please stop spreading false info.

"True" flex fuel is something the flash ECU will have before the AEM.

[GTOJOE]

Vi-PEC plug and play supports all those features and flex fuel and it's much cheaper than the pro-efi BTW.

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[99 vr4]

You are talking about a ecu designed for the stock engine and stock engine parameters. It works great stock. lets really compare apples to apples here.


a Modified ecu is not the same as a stock ecu. The stock engine has some fail-safes pre-programed for a 300hp car. Meaning it does a good job at low hp levels. if you double that horsepower the system isnt really comparable to a standalone.

the flexability of any injector size, any injector latency scaling talbes, anitlagg, shift light outputs, reconfigureing outputs for various low and high side outputs, the resolution of the talbes and fuel microbit/sec. do i really need to continue and go on?

standalone can give you more flexability and control over the engine. the only reason im selling this one is becuase i want a better one/ more exspensive one pro-efi with full flex fuel capability. Tired of waiting on aem that is suppost to have an update for the vs2 box for flex fuel.

oh ya thats another thing flex fuel ability? um standard ecu uh noo.

Yup, you brought it on yourself man . . .

Flash ECU with Stock ROM has its limits. Those limits are not HARDWARE imposed. So these mystical "fail-safes pre-programmed for a 300hp car" are based upon the fact that the ECU tables (injector size, injector latency, etc) are table definition based. They are imposed by the table definitions.

BUT, you can modify those tables.

ANY Injector Size
ANY Injector Latency
ANY Timing
ANY MAF
ANY Fuel

Do I really need to continue and go on?

Oh, and wait, that is with the STOCK ROM.

Now let’s say you want no lift to shift, reconfigured outputs, etc, it all exists, right now, in Chrome v2.0 . . . and true flex fuel is right around the corner.

So, no AEM is not all that great. Which is why anyone in the know won't buy one right now.

And since now we are on hardware, lets talk hardware. There are two surface mount electrolytic capacitors that are on the ECU circuit board. They are not prone to leaking. But because they have a "life span", I replace them with automotive grade Panasonic capacitors "just because I’m anal like that"! So when you get a Clone VR4 ECU from me, you get a recently remanufactured ECU that has been completely gone through and is road tested before it is sent to the customer. Complete with new conformal coating. Do you think AEM road tests each and every single ECU before they send it out? I don't think so. They electrically test it, but that is not the same. I do both. You can be sure your ECU will work when you get it from me.

Now how hard is it to install a AEM or PRO-EFI . . . is it 100% plug and play? Does it work with all of the stock sensors? The Clone VR4 ECU is 100% plug and play (with a harness) and works with all of the stock sensors. Does the AEM or PRO-EFI work out of the box without a dyno tune? Nope, you better have your shit checked. The Clone VR4 ECU will work out of the box on a stock car without a dyno tune. If all you have is mild turbo upgrades, injector upgrades, MAF upgrades, and some basic supporting mods, once you adjust the appropriate tables, the ROM takes care of the rest. As long as you’re not pushing boost, the Clone VR4 ECU will self learn and help you tune. A little while of driving and you can easily see where your short term and long term fuel trims are at and make the needed adjustments in the correct tables and viola! No dyno required for stock boost. Want more boost? Take it in increments. No problem. Oh, and I have 15Gs (and all the stuff to support it), ECU controlled boost set at 18lbs (Did I say ECU controlled boost? Yes I did!), and NO KNOCK! Wow, and I didn’t have to pay a tuner or for a dyno tune. Could you pull that off with an AEM? I don’t think so.

Oh, and wait, it starts like factory, drives like factory, when it’s raining, when it’s cold, when it’s hot, basically all the time. Oh oh . . . AEM does not do that.

Do I really need to continue and go on?

[markoverclock]

Stop arguing with me, dont post on this for sale thread. Its really not worth my time arguing with someone "who didnt pay a tuner cause the software is to hard to read". Also aem does test the boxes before they leave and send them threw drive cylcles just the the box does in the car. if you dont beleive me call them. a properly tuned car will run just like stock, hot, cold, raining or clear. if not then they dont know what they are doing. Just fyi just using a knock sensor for a tune is like is like trying to rebuild an engine with a minimal tools. Knock sensor is just one tool used in tuning. Remember back in the day cars didnt have them and still made plenty of power.

The fact that your not using a dyno speaks for itself on your tuning ability. A "Tuner" no matter what tuning software he uses, uses all the tools available to do the job correctly. ( ecu controlled boost lol why wouldnt it. ) that is factory on the car.

So let me get this straight you think that the stock ecu with re-flash software is just as good if not better than the aem ems v2?
In terms of total control of engine, ecu processing speed, table resolutions and failsafes?

[Greg E]

Stop arguing with me, dont post on this for sale thread.

So let me get this straight you think that the stock ecu with re-flash software is just as good if not better than the aem ems v2? In terms of total control of engine, ecu processing speed, table resolutions and failsafes?

Do to want me to answer your questions or not?

The answer to all of them is yes.

Look, rather than getting all pissy over someone having the audacity to correct your false claims, seriously take some time to read up on it. Its at least worth your while to look into all the progress that I've made with it over the last year. Check out threads about my dyno and track tuning results (not just on my own car but customer cars as well). If you got specific questions I'll be happy to answer them. You honestly don't have to buy one. Just stop being ignorant about it.

People have been flash tuning their factory ECUs on other platforms for years with great results. This platform is behind the times but now is finally getting to the same level as everyone else. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the AEM. Given time it can work just as well as a stock ECU. Its just the stock ECU doesn't need as much tinker time to get the car to run correctly. The "base map" is much better in a sense.

[markoverclock]

Aem Sold, Pro efi ordered!!! Stay tuned for all the features you could ever want. A run down of what it can do and demonstration will be done shortly.