DeMotivators

[IPD]

and this ladies and gentlemen is why our society is doomed.

Should go without saying. At the point when we changed the standards to push people through--rather than weed people out--it became a serious problem. And we now reap the benefits as evidenced by teachers like the one above. So it is already readily apparent that the quality of the labor force is sub-standard to what is needed. Then you add in unchecked immigration...which usually starts on the minimum-wage side of the employment scale...and you have a recipe for economic ruin; a MASSIVE glut of unqualified, unskilled labor...and an abject dearth of WELL educated & master tradesman labor pool. And that's one of the reasons why "free college for everyone" won't work in this country. It works in countries where the idiots are weeded out of higher education prior to grade 13. Since we've lowered the standards to where a mental quadriplegic can hurdle them, there's simply no way we can afford (on the government dime) to put that number of students through 4 years of undergraduate scholastics.

/rant

[CoopKill]

[BaadVR4]

Should go without saying. At the point when we changed the standards to push people through--rather than weed people out--it became a serious problem. And we now reap the benefits as evidenced by teachers like the one above. So it is already readily apparent that the quality of the labor force is sub-standard to what is needed. Then you add in unchecked immigration...which usually starts on the minimum-wage side of the employment scale...and you have a recipe for economic ruin; a MASSIVE glut of unqualified, unskilled labor...and an abject dearth of WELL educated & master tradesman labor pool. And that's one of the reasons why "free college for everyone" won't work in this country. It works in countries where the idiots are weeded out of higher education prior to grade 13. Since we've lowered the standards to where a mental quadriplegic can hurdle them, there's simply no way we can afford (on the government dime) to put that number of students through 4 years of undergraduate scholastics.

/rant

I see the problem slightly differently................it's not that we can't afford 4 years of undergraduate scholastics to all students on the government dime.........it's that we MUST afford to put ALL of them through 4 years of college. You are absolutely correct that changing from weeding out to total promotion, we put ourselves in the full monte mode because the only way we can create the educated class we must have is to educate everyone through 4 years of undergraduate classes; in other words, we have to push everyone through college to guarantee we get all the qualified students through the education they need and we need them to have. So, instead of using K1 through grade 12 to winnow the college appropriate students out, we have to use grades 13 through 16 to do the job. And we end up with an additional class of college degreed blithering idiots. And who said we weren't changing the fabric of our culture????

[DocWalt]

[donniekak]

Since the dawn of time people have been saying that the next generation of kids, and current political figures are going to destroy everything. Isn't the breakdown of society into some kind of mad max existence what lots of people with 10,000 cans of spam, and 500,000 rounds of ammo want anyway?

[IPD]

I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure it's been only within my own lifetime that the quality of education in the USA--compared to the rest of the world--has declined to the point where we are no longer churning out top-notch employees. As long as the USA was at the top end on education, there was always a sound hope of economic prosperity from home-grown ingenuity. Since that edge has been lost, we now face the very-real prospect that we cannot offer any more innovation--in amounts sufficient to drive our economy. And everything else stems from this & will go downhill from there.

[donniekak]

Education in America is still top notch, engineering programs, and md programs draw people from around the world. The main issue with our secondary education system is that it offers worthless sheets of paper to people that in any other time would be operating a shovel, or pickax so they can feel educated.

Truly intelligent people that are destined to be innovators educate themselves.

[IPD]

Those are outlier programs. The majority of undergraduate education in the USA--today--is utter rubbish. If it weren't the case, then those with degrees would not be finding it so difficult to find appropriate work. At the point at which so many people are able to achieve a 4 year college degree, the meaning of this achievement is tepid. 50-60 years ago, a 4 year degree REALLY meant something in the working world. It's not that people have gotten that much smarter. It's the standards that were abolished on the altar of giving everyone a participant trophy.

[CoopKill]

The entire issue is that "everybody deserves everything" while seeking, earning, working, and accomplishing, a are not put atop of the list. "Everybody" dreams of being able to solve Quantum theory when in fact most are only able to devide by zero.

Some have been lead to believe they need not stay in thier lane...

[donniekak]

It's not the fault of the education system that people want to pay $50,000 for a useless degree. Someone will sell whatever people want to buy. I believe it's called capitalism.