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    looking for modded vacuum lines diagram

    Ended up spinning a bearing and so I'm currently pulling my motor and really not looking forward to putting all the vacuum lines, smog systems, and ac lines back in. So if someone could help me out with some pics or even diagrams it would be much appreciated. Also is there anything else I can keep out while I'm in the eliminating mood?

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    If you keep the engine out you can also cut a hole in the floor for fred flintstone style...win win.

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    LOL good idea but my legs wouldnt be twin turbo'd.. and although i play soccer that still wouldnt win me races...

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    Part 1: Deleting the unnecessary parts


    When you begin, you'll be looking at a nest of vacuum lines and a hardline bundle on the firewall. Starting%20out.jpg Brian had already removed a few of his lines, but here you can see the hardline bundle and the solenoid rack

    Starting%20out%202.jpg An alternate view.

    Begin the hose reduction by cutting all the vacuum lines running from the hardline bundle on the throttle body (TB) to the solenoid rack on the firewall. Cut the vacuum lines running from the plenum to the H-connector, BCS, and rear wastegate (WG). Cut the vacuum lines running to the EGR valve. Cut the vacuum lines running to the small bundle of hardlines beneath and to the passenger side of the EGR also. (These hard lines connect the BCS and EVAP solenoid to the front wastegate and the EVAP valve respectively. See below for further explanation.)

    main%20hoses%20cut.jpg main hoses


    Remove the two upper bolts on the TB. Cut or disconnect the 3 lines running from the hardline bundle to the TB nipples. Remove and discard the hardline bundle. Reinstall the TB bolts.

    (photos to come)

    Remove the 3 10mm bolts securing the solenoid rack to the firewall. Disconnect the main electrical connector powering all the solenoids. Remove the solenoid rack.

    solenoid%20rack%20out.jpg

    At this point there should be no vacuum line remaining in the area of the engine bay between the firewall and the TB/plenum. Move towards the front of the engine bay so that you can remove the EVAP and valve.

    Near the front WG actuator and beneath the PTU are hoses coming off of a 4-line hardline bundle. One goes to the front WG actuator; the rest go to the EVAP canister. Cut these.

    Starting%20out%203.jpg

    Remove the EVAP canister by undoing the band clamp. The EVAP canister is held to the frame rail by a metal band that uses a clasp similar to a mason jar or a ski boot. Because there are some assorted brackets and lines holding the canister itself to the bracket, the best way to remove it is to violently mangle it until it submits. Save the black plastic valve.

    Further, during removal it is necessary to cut the vacuum hose connecting the canister to the hardline running from the fuel tank to the engine bay (see my quick reference above). The hardline runs along the frame rail (under the MAS), then makes a quick downward turn. It is visible in the upper right hand corner of this photo of the EVAP canister.

    evap%20canister.jpg

    The final thing to remove is the 4-line hardline bundle mentioned just earlier. These are often a source of confusion for people doing the hose reductions. People are tempted to cap or connect them. All they do is connect the EVAP solenoid and BC lines to the EVAP canister and the front WG. Because the hose reduction removes the solenoids and the stock BC lines, this hardline bundle connects nothing to nothing. The bundle runs the alongside the engine, beginning beneath the EGR valve, turning down under the throttle body, under the thermostat housing, under the coil packs, and terminating about 3 inches away from the front WG actuator diaphragm.

    hardlines.jpg

    It will require some yanking and bending to remove. Do not expect it to slide out instantly.



    Part 2: Providing sources of vacuum and pressure to systems that require them.

    Now that everything is out, prepare to install your own vacuum lines.

    The FPR must see vacuum and pressure to function properly because it increases or decreases fuel rail pressure according to manifold pressure. The most direct way to connect the FPR is to use the large forward-facing port on the plenum. Notice that the nipple sizes are not the same.

    FPRline.jpg

    As you can see above, the cleanest method of connecting the FPR to a pressure/vacuum source is to use a plastic T: Plenum port-T-FPR. Not only can you get a plastic T with differently-sized ports to solve the nipple size problem, but you can also then run a vacuum line from that T to the BOV, which also requires a vacuum/pressure source to operate properly.

    Connecting the wastegates: The WGs do not need a vacuum signal; they need only a pressure signal. My preferred method is to run a lines from the wastegates to a T located roughly where the thermostat housing is. Make these lines equal length and as short as possible. Be reasonable: do not make them so tight that you can pluck them like guitar strings. Run a line from the remaining port on the T to the MBC or BCS (depending on setup). This portion of the house routing is unique. Place the MBC or BCS wherever you prefer. Mine is on the firewall. Finally, connect your MBC or BCS to nipple on the back of the Y-pipe. Usually I just attach an excessively long line to the MBC or BCS “in” port until the very end, and then cut the line to length once I’ve installed the Y-pipe. WGtee.jpg In this photo, I am holding the rear WG line. The tee is at center. Top line goes to BC and right line goes to front WG.

    Because the EVAP canister is out, gasoline fumes will now vent into the engine bay, which is less than desirable. There are 2 easy options: Cap the hardline with a vacuum cap, or run a length hose from the hardline out the front of the bumper. I prefer this second method because pressure does not build in the tank. Ultimately, the best way is to remove the rock guard, cut the hardline back at the tank, and remove the hardline entirely.

    ventline2.jpg

    ventline.jpg

    If you have a boost gauge, connect it to a vacuum/pressure source like the nipple on the back of the plenum. If you have other switches or units (hobbs switches, MAP sensors), connect them.


    Part 3: Capping unused ports

    To prevent intake tract leaks it is important to cap all unused nipples. There are two on the pre-turbo intake pipes: A small one on the rear turbo pipe (recall that it was used to reintroduce bled air on the stock BC system) and a large one on the front turbo intake pipe.

    For the rear, use a vacuum cap (I like to slather a little RTV on there too).

    rearturbocap.jpg

    For the front, you may simply use the EVAP canister valve because it defaults to the closed position.

    Advanced techniques: Fill the port with RTV or, if you wish to be challenged, find a vacuum cap in that size that seals well. I prefer the RTV.

    RTVnipple.jpg



    Cap the nipples on the throttle body.

    (photo)

    If you have EGR blockoff plates, install them now.


    Part 4: Reinstallation

    Reinstall the intake piping and the coolant reservoir. It will likely be much easier now. Ensure that you do not pinch the WG signal lines.

    At this time, you will also want to connect the BOV. If you removed the BOV with its stock vacuum line attached, and it will reach, connect it to the T between the large plenum nipple and the FPR. If the line will not reach, simply make a new one.

    Similarly, you should remember to cut to length and then attach the MBC or BCS to the Y-pipe nipple.


    Supplemental info:

    I like to approach the hose reduction with a hack-and-slash disregard for the engine bay. Remember that it’s all just hoses and systems that are unnecessary anyway. There’s nothing to “break” or damage unless you cut wires or a coolant hose (and for that you have only yourself to blame).

    Similarly, as I’ve said many times in various threads, a hose reduction is a hose reduction. There is no such thing as a “hose reduction for X boost controller”. All boost controllers accept a pressure signal and then modify and transmit that signal to the wastegates.

    It seems a little senseless to me to do a hose reduction and not install EGR blockoff plates and at least an MBC and inexpensive boost gauge at the same time. If you’re committed to the hose reduction and to an emptier engine bay, blockoff plates are a small price to pay. A boost gauge is a must for any turbo car, in my opinion, and if you’re comfortable enough with your engine to be performing a hose reduction, you probably intend to run more boost at some point or at least have an interest in how your engine is running. And, lastly, an MBC is 20 dollars. Doing the hose reduction without installing at least an MBC and gauge requires that you retain the stock BC lines and the solenoid rack, or that you connect the WG directly to a pressure source and run WG pressure (6psi).

    Clint
    from http://www.3si.org/wiki/index.php/Vacuum_Reduction
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