Giants win!

[HilbillyHomeboy]

And one of the regular season losses was to the Packers. And the last time the Giants won the Superbowl, they had lost to the Patriots during the regular season.

Let's keep this in perspective. They lost to the Packers by a FG in regular season. They then went into Lambeau and smashed GB by 17 in the 2nd round of the playoffs. They lost to the Pats in 07, again by a FG(exact same score as the Pack game this year, 38-35). Then went on to beat the Pats by a FG in the Superbowl. I'm failing to see how this doesn't reaffirm my position.

This stuff goes up and down. Look at the AFC West, talent is waaay down in that division, for the moment. It's just the way it goes. In time, those teams will rise again, and current powers will slip. Kinda what makes the NFL enjoyable, IMO, the lack of the Yankess factor that can buy you world championships.

I probably just feel this way because I recently read this: New York Giants Defy Data and Logic Yet Again | Barking Carnival

I can understand some of the logic there. But, when you're afforded no bye week, I'm not going to buy that battling your way through FOUR games (1 being the defending SB/NFC champ, and 2 on the road) isn't one hell of a measure of your program. Claiming "luck" in that scenario, is total bullshit. That's skill, determination, and good coaching. It's certainly no cake walk being a low seed. Again, bottom seed GB last year did the same thing. I don't recall much complaining about that...

Jeremy

[j2k4]

I think they ought to dump the wildcards, play-off the division winners and let the whiners whine.

This misbegotten urge to 'give more teams a chance' can only be interpreted as 'we want more money'.

Isn't that ironic - socialism comes to the NFL draped in capitalist clothing.

[IPD]

i don't think adam actually watched the giants/niner's game. anyone who saw eli with this chin-guard nearly dislocating his nose while still making a completion....could not possibly think that he wasn't deserving.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

i don't think adam actually watched the giants/niner's game. anyone who saw eli with this chin-guard nearly dislocating his nose while still making a completion....could not possibly think that he wasn't deserving.

Indeed. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Jeremy

[j2k4]

i don't think adam actually watched the giants/niner's game. anyone who saw eli with this chin-guard nearly dislocating his nose while still making a completion....could not possibly think that he wasn't deserving.

Ah, he really has come of age, but he's still neither Brady nor Rodgers.

I know this could lead to a whole 'nother argument, but Eli is (at the moment) this generation's Terry Bradshaw, SP wins aside...he's a gamer, but not quite the numbers monster the others are.

My favorite of All-Time is Bart Starr, whose career numbers are about three decent seasons for Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, et al.

Eli is more like Starr, Bradshaw, or Montana - not at the top of any stat chart except wins, and you wouldn't want to have bet against any of them.

[AdamVR4]

i don't think adam actually watched the giants/niner's game. anyone who saw eli with this chin-guard nearly dislocating his nose while still making a completion....could not possibly think that he wasn't deserving.

Wait, that's your data point? LOL! I watched that game in its entirety (rooting for the 49ers) and the ONLY reason the Giants won was because of two dumb-luck plays: ~10 minutes to go in 4th, Giants punt, 49ers "muff" it (barely touch it). Results in Giant TD that gives Giants the lead; OT: 49ers fumble punt return setting up easy FG. You NEVER see that shit in the NFL and recovering fumbles, basically by definition, comes down to luck. No, the giants didn't deserve to beat the 49ers.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Ah, he really has come of age, but he's still neither Brady nor Rodgers.

I know this could lead to a whole 'nother argument, but Eli is (at the moment) this generation's Terry Bradshaw, SP wins aside...he's a gamer, but not quite the numbers monster the others are.

My favorite of All-Time is Bart Starr, whose career numbers are about three decent seasons for Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, et al.

Eli is more like Starr, Bradshaw, or Montana - not at the top of any stat chart except wins, and you wouldn't want to have bet against any of them.

Numbers aside, I'd take a Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Eli tough guy over Brady any day. No doubt Brady is an excellent, excellent, QB, but his success decreases dramatically when he gets pressured. Good coaching in NE always sees to it that he has a killer OL, which is why they're so successful.

Jeremy

[j2k4]

Numbers aside, I'd take a Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Eli tough guy over Brady any day. No doubt Brady is an excellent, excellent, QB, but his success decreases dramatically when he gets pressured. Good coaching in NE always sees to it that he has a killer OL, which is why they're so successful

Jeremy

Oh, noted, and agreed...until a see a few more things - I'll know when I see it.

Funny, whose playoff winning-percentage was being touted as best ever, this year? Brady?

I don't recall Starr losing any playoffs save his first, against the Eagles in 1960.

He won the rest.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Wait, that's your data point? LOL! I watched that game in its entirety (rooting for the 49ers) and the ONLY reason the Giants won was because of two dumb-luck plays: ~10 minutes to go in 4th, Giants punt, 49ers "muff" it (barely touch it). Results in Giant TD that gives Giants the lead; OT: 49ers fumble punt return setting up easy punt. You NEVER see that shit in the NFL and recovering fumbles, basically by definition, comes down to luck. No, the giants didn't deserve to beat the 49ers.

It was Kyle Williams both times on those fumbles. And the OT fumble was forced. If there's any excuse/blame in that game it would be 9'ers coaching staff for not benching him. He was diving for punts, calling fair catches when no one was around, muffed a punt, lost a fumble in OT... Granted, Ginn was hurt, but Williams should've been parked on the sidelines. Anyone else would've been a massive improvement. They got out-coached and out-played, and as a result, lost the game.

Jeremy

[AdamVR4]

Numbers aside, I'd take a Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Eli tough guy over Brady any day. No doubt Brady is an excellent, excellent, QB, but his success decreases dramatically when he gets pressured. Good coaching in NE always sees to it that he has a killer OL, which is why they're so successful.

Jeremy

LOL... If not for all the drops, NE wins the Super Bowl and we're talking about witnessing arguably the greatest QB in the history of the NFL. Now he's not even in the top 4 of the league?