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    Awesome! Looks like a blast!! I'm jealous!

    Also very interested in AWS delete results ... bluemax (iirc, maybe Erron?) has testified in the past to AWS helping (esp. early power on exit) but I am very curious! I wonder if yours has even been working? I was under the impression mine was for years until I pulled my diff and saw the gear totally stripped out inside, so there's no way it was spinning the pump. Anyway, looking forward to hearing about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog View Post
    The new brakes are 355x35 stoptechs.

    I'm no suspension guru but I thought toe out in the front helps turn in and toe in is for straight line stability/tracking.

    Phil said he fights the same low speed push with his car. He said he ran toe out in the rear and it was much much better but stability in low traction areas (rain) was terrible. Not worth trying if you will ever have run in the rain. I may still try it.

    Another plan is to delete/disable the 4ws. No one has ever given substantial proof that it helps on a roadcourse. Once its disabled i will run a few races and see if I can actually feel any difference. I think the 4ws prevents me from being able to flick the car as easily.
    FWIW (and it's easy to play with) I have had great luck with running a significantly higher tire pressure up front and keeping the rears lower. Like 39-40 psi up front and only 32-34 in the rear. The stiffer side walls on my BFGs help keep the tires shape during weight transfer. I prefered this over stiffening the suspension as too hard of a rebound makes for an unstable ride on rough surfaces (even track concrete isn't perfectly smooth).

    I don't have nearly as much experience so this advice maybe only practical in my head...

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    did you play with slicks? when i borrowed daveys a few years ago in memphis and it was super easy to trailbrake and loosen the rear in the esses.
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    AWS and racecar setup? Toe change is slower when you lower the car vs when it's stock ride height. Our AWS setup is designed in a fashion that slows the toe change when the suspension is lowered, and no one really knows where the roll center is when we dynamically change toe so it's a guess. My thinking is it's bad to have active toe changes while cornering in a racecar. Unless you own some Motec crap and hit up Claude Roulle here in Colorado good luck with that. The AWS suspension style mitsu designed isn't intelligent enough to plan for different roll centers. Change the ride height and then the instant center with an arm length change (custom control arms maybe?), and then add a dynamic toe change? That's a road to "what the hell is my suspension doing and why is the front and the rear not getting along?

    Get that AWS stuff out of there. Best idea would be nevermind bars and springs and etc. Just change the subframe. Add more adjustment points to the suspension where you can adjust the instant center and effectively change the front and rear roll centers.

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