Eat Shit, Apple

[NickS VR4]

The Samsung/Apple issue is bull in my opinion. Why aren't Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, Acer, etc all suing each other because their PCs look and act the same?

Should Ford sue Chevy because their engines run the same way and look the same?

Point being, with a smartphone or tablet, its a giant touch screen and a backing with parts inside. Icon layout is the same on PCs, Android, iOS, Macs, Linux, etc. There just aren't that many different ways you can make it other than changing dimensions and actual hardware used, which Samsung has done.

If apple invented the wheel, does everyone else have to figure out how to create something different, or another shape to put on a bicycle?

There are so many examples that can work here to compare. In my opinion, like many others, Apple just can't compete so they get as many stupid features patented as possible to stop others from innovating and keeping them ahead of the competition.

[stealthify]

If apple invented the wheel, does everyone else have to figure out how to create something different, or another shape to put on a bicycle?

Apple did not invent the wheel, so to speak. They have proven themselves to be particularly good at innovating existing technology in order to make it available for the masses, which is exactly what Henry Ford and other so called "inventors" did. Apple haters, just as much as blind Apple fanboys, seem to forget that there is a difference between a company that invents (which is quite rare) versus one that innovates.

How's this: using your argument, by over simplifying things like IPD tends to do, why do we have so many variations (look wise) of automobiles? I mean essentially we're all driving around a box with doors, 4 wheels, headlights, taillights, a hood and a hatch - right? Right?? Why aren't they suing eachother? Because from 10, 20, 30 feet away, I can tell a Camero from a 3000GT, a Supra from an RX7, a Tacoma from a F150, etc. That's the argument.

And by the way, most PC's I've seen don't look the same. Sure, there are a few that tread dangerously close to copying eachother or that have absolutely no character, but for the most part these companies have taken the time to style their product line up in a very particular way to create a brand identity (colors, sizes, keyboard layouts, materials, internal layout, heat vents, etc). I believe that is all Apple is asking Samsung to do with the Tab, but of course for Samsung it's a little too late for that and they hoped that it would just slip under the radar. The judges don't seem to be having any of it. Are we to not trust their judgement? You think Apple might be slipping them some free i-products on the side to bribe them? Yeah, that must be it.

[IPD]

sure, can tell vehicles apart at 30 feet. that's like telling phones apart at 18"; which is cake.

there's a LOT less room for physical customization in a phone than a car. touchscreen face pretty much eliminates most any "other options". guess what? laptops have a screen on the top and a keyboard on the bottom. "OH NOES!!! WEZ MUST SUEZ THEM111!!!!11"

other than slapping a giagantic logo on the back of a smartphone, i don't really see how they can be designed that much different. size & aspect ratio is essentially determined by software & by user comfort. touchscreen determines the face. which means that--according to YOUR standards, shaun--the only solution is for samsung to offer their phone in neon yellow--so that no one will ever confuse it with an iphone. lollerskates!

[NickS VR4]

Apple did not invent the wheel, so to speak. They have proven themselves to be particularly good at innovating existing technology in order to make it available for the masses, which is exactly what Henry Ford and other so called "inventors" did. Apple haters, just as much as blind Apple fanboys, seem to forget that there is a difference between a company that invents (which is quite rare) versus one that innovates.

How's this: using your argument, by over simplifying things like IPD tends to do, why do we have so many variations (look wise) of automobiles? I mean essentially we're all driving around a box with doors, 4 wheels, headlights, taillights, a hood and a hatch - right? Right?? Why aren't they suing eachother? Because from 10, 20, 30 feet away, I can tell a Camero from a 3000GT, a Supra from an RX7, a Tacoma from a F150, etc. That's the argument.

And by the way, most PC's I've seen don't look the same. Sure, there are a few that tread dangerously close to copying eachother or that have absolutely no character, but for the most part these companies have taken the time to style their product line up in a very particular way to create a brand identity (colors, sizes, keyboard layouts, materials, internal layout, heat vents, etc). I believe that is all Apple is asking Samsung to do with the Tab, but of course for Samsung it's a little too late for that and they hoped that it would just slip under the radar. The judges don't seem to be having any of it. Are we to not trust their judgement? You think Apple might be slipping them some free i-products on the side to bribe them? Yeah, that must be it.

While cars look different, it is because they each want their own style. They also have many more smaller parts that can be slightly changed to make the overall look very different. Ultimately if vehicles focused strictly on aerodynamics, I would imagine that many cars would start looking the same. An example would be Nascars. They are basically all the same, but have different stickers on them to make them look slightly different.

As for PCs, the only difference would be their case, but perhaps was a bad example, but I was talking about their internal components/functions. Does Dell's POST screen look similar to Gateways or Compaqs (take away the logo)?

On an object as small as a smart phone, what variations can you actually make? Dimensions, Samsung and Apple are different. Its a giant screen with a backing and camera. Apple has one button, does that mean Motorola has the rights to have the only 4 button phone because the Droid X had that?

When looking at new phones, the Motorola Droid Bionic, LG Revolution, HTC Incredible 2, and HTC Rhyme all look similar to me. How are these different?

Much more than:



Or This...

[stealthify]

sure, can tell vehicles apart at 30 feet. that's like telling phones apart at 18"; which is cake.

Or a large tablet from 10 feet away, by an "expert" that works for the very company she's paid to defend?

Exaggeration, as opposed to over simplification, won't get you anywhere. There are HUNDREDS of phones on the market that aren't neon yellow and aren't being sued by anyone.

I can conclude you are definitely not in the creative field, Thadd.

[stealthify]

On an object as small as a smart phone, what variations can you actually make? Dimensions, Samsung and Apple are different. Its a giant screen with a backing and camera. Apple has one button, does that mean Motorola has the rights to have the only 4 button phone because the Droid X had that?

As I said man, it's a combination of things. No one would confuse a Motorola Droid (which was a very unique design when it first came out) with an iPhone (of any generation). For that matter, most would not confuse an HTC Incredible 2 with a Photon 4G or a Samsung Infuse 3G. They're all black, they all have a screen and are semi-rectangular shaped, but that's NOT what is at issue here. And that is NOT what Apple is suing Samsung over.

That's all I'm saying, I don't gather why it's so difficult for some to understand.

[ictponder]

Or a large tablet from 10 feet away, by an "expert" that works for the very company she's paid to defend?

Exaggeration, as opposed to over simplification, won't get you anywhere. There are HUNDREDS of phones on the market that aren't neon yellow and aren't being sued by anyone.

I can conclude you are definitely not in the creative field, Thadd.

They obviously look different so there was no excuse for that idiot lawyer not to know the difference. But I still see no reason for Apple to sue Samsung.

Why isn't Samsung suing Motorola? The iPad looks NOTHING like the other two, yet they are the only ones crying about it. The company is just like the people who own their shit, whiny little babies who think Apple is the only company in the universe (I'll allow that statement though it may not be entirely true).

<Motorola Xoom> . . . . . . . . . . <Apple iPad> . . . . . . . . <Samsung Galaxy Tab>


Edit: If anything, Apple should be happy they actually have a tablet that looks different than the other two, because it does. Apple just doesn't want any competition at all.

[stealthify]

I don't know what was up with that lawyer. If I were a boss at Samsung, she'd probably be canned over that. Something like that could have costed them big time.

But I don't see why Samsung doesn't just tweak the infringements in question. They have a great product, it doesn't NEED those features/designs that Apple was awarded, and as other tablet manufacturers that aren't being sued have proven: it is possible to look different enough, even when it comes to tablets and smart phones.

[NickS VR4]

Well with Ice Cream Sandwich coming out, some phones will eliminate buttons altogether. So lets break this down....

I need a phone with:
A screen (rectangle)
A speaker
A Microphone
A Front Camera.

How would I design this? Lets see, the screen needs to be in the center, the speaker on top, the mic on the bottom and the camera on top. What shape best holds all of these? A rectangle. And to make it sleek, I'll have rounded corners.

I think I just described 85% of all phones and tablets.

[stealthify]

I think I just described 85% of all phones and tablets.

Exactly, and those aren't the infringements in question.