Dsm suspension

[DG]

Megans are JUNK.

A simple shock dyno test proves it.

Bilsteins, on the other hand, are GREAT shocks, and are easliy converted to take-aparts for revalving.

I would avoid used shocks of any brand, unless they come with a recent dyno plot.

Bilstein, Koni, Penske, Ohlins, Dynamic Suspension, Sachs. Avoid all else like the plague.

DG

[Blackmount]

I go by what most of my friends use and how there car performs vs stock

[DG]

Well - not to put too fine a point on it - unless your friends happen to be racing engineers or work for one of those shock companies I mentioned above - your friends probably don't know what they are doing, and are not qualified to assess "performance improvements".

This isn't (necessarily) a knock on your friends; I know a number of talented racing drivers and engineers who are utterly incapable of determining shock setup by feel. It is a hard problem. And the fact that it is such a hard problem is a big reason why companies like JIC, Megan, Tein, Buddy Club etc etc etc have been able to sell utter shite to unsuspecting customers over the years.

You can learn all about it in "Autocross to Win".

DG

[Blackmount]

Immediate I was going by how there cars react to the change not what they say LOL. And I'm not building a full track car I don't think I need to consult a race expert.... obviously u are no help to me or this thread.

[MR2]

Black mount, you may want to find out who DG is and his history/success in the area, he's not posting to put shit on you, he's posting because he has 100x the experience of everyone on any 3s website combined

[Roybatty]

Black mount, you may want to find out who DG is and his history/success in the area, he's not posting to put shit on you, he's posting because he has 100x the experience of everyone on any 3s website combined

^^this

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[Blackmount]

Experience or not he's coming off as an asshole. Maybe its just lack of tone of voice. I appreciate the advice hut I'm just looking for a sport suspension. And not something full race.. I think the best thing to get is stock ecs shocks set on hard, and then some decent performance minded lowering springs.

[MR2]

He does, but then I can see where he's comming from.

and I agree...Stock ECS is best.


best does not really cover it, fully working ECS is amazing, I'm going to be INSTALLING ECS on a GTO that does not have it (assuming all goes well)

[DG]

Experience or not he's coming off as an asshole. Maybe its just lack of tone of voice.

Your generation does not take correction well - and that's my generation's fault. Too much "you are all individual, precious snowflakes" (just like everyone else). Too much Junior Soccer, where nobody keeps score and everybody gets a trophy.

Notwithstanding, engineering is not like that. There *are* right and wrong answers. And there are plenty of answers that are somewhere in-between all the way right and all the way wrong.

With plenty of things (shocks included) the more "right" you get, the more money you pay - and the "right vs cost" graph is exponential. Not everybody can afford triple-adjustable Penskes (which is far on both axes) so then the question becomes "how right is right enough"?

And that is a totally legit question. To wit:

I appreciate the advice hut I'm just looking for a sport suspension. And not something full race..

Got it. That's entirely reasonable.

But here's the thing - JIC, Tein, Megan, Buddy Club... all those things are way WAY "wrong". They aren't just "wrong" compared to a Penske, they are "wrong" compared to a Monroe Sensi-Track. Those things are JUNK. They DO NOT MEET your requirements for a "sport suspension".

Bilsteins do, and they are pretty cheap - and can be easily transformed into a Real Race Shock, should you ever decide to go down that path.

I think the best thing to get is stock ecs shocks set on hard, and then some decent performance minded lowering springs.

This is an even better plan - to a point. The Mitsu ECS is a hack - but a functional hack. On full hard, the car is heavily overdamped, but the ECS computer is clever about it and it works. You realy can't go wrong with the OEM ECS.

My car has ECS.

DG

[DocWalt]

What's your opinion on Ohlins, DG?