Restoration of my 94 VR4

[DocWalt]

You aren't going to want to swap in an Evo rack, the steering ratio is completely wrong for a 3S. Just replace the rack and use poly bushings everywhere. Even with all new OEM bushings and a new rack in my VR-4 it handled a LOT better. Obviously not at all like my Evo (a 3S won't handle the same anyway) but still fantastic for a big GT car.

[STiedVR4Guy]

You aren't going to want to swap in an Evo rack, the steering ratio is completely wrong for a 3S. Just replace the rack and use poly bushings everywhere. Even with all new OEM bushings and a new rack in my VR-4 it handled a LOT better. Obviously not at all like my Evo (a 3S won't handle the same anyway) but still fantastic for a big GT car.

Do you know of anyone that makes a poly steering rack bushing? The other thing I was thinking of is just making a metal one.

[DocWalt]

To be quite honest, the stock bushings are going to be fantastic if you buy new ones. They're not at all like the STI's super soft squishy bushings, the bushings on a 3S rack are pretty thin and don't have much wiggle. I don't know of anyone that makes poly bushings to replace the steering rack bushings.

Another idea is to use a smaller steering wheel so it requires a bit more force to turn, but also makes it quicker to turn.

[STiedVR4Guy]

To be quite honest, the stock bushings are going to be fantastic if you buy new ones. They're not at all like the STI's super soft squishy bushings, the bushings on a 3S rack are pretty thin and don't have much wiggle. I don't know of anyone that makes poly bushings to replace the steering rack bushings.

Another idea is to use a smaller steering wheel so it requires a bit more force to turn, but also makes it quicker to turn.

Aright, I do have to order some things from 3sx soon so I might add one in there just for the hell of it. On my 04 STi that was a known issue that the bushings were garbage from the factory and the whiteline ones I replaced them with were stiff as a rock. That thing was SO responsive when you turned the wheel even a cm it would turn and that is what I am looking for.

[DocWalt]

That kind of steering just isn't going to happen with a 3S without a LOT of work. You could maybe try new upper plates and adjust the caster.

[STiedVR4Guy]

That kind of steering just isn't going to happen with a 3S without a LOT of work. You could maybe try new upper plates and adjust the caster.

I know it isn't going to turn any faster I just want the massive amount of slack out of the steering wheel. The first inch you turn it either way does nothing. I had the same problem with my STi and I fixed it. I don't see why that can't be done with this car.

[DocWalt]

It's not going to be nearly as easy because it's a completely different rack mounting system. The STI had those REALLY soft rack bushings that caused the slop. There's no one big source of slop on a 3S, it's just the summation of all the squish in all of the rubber bushings.

I also had the inch of vagueness on my VR4 that was fixed with a new rack. Everyone that drove the car commented on how firm the steering was, and I had only replaced the rack (outer and inner tie rods included) and the LCA bushings. I hadn't tackled the crap struts or subframe bushings.

[STiedVR4Guy]

It's not going to be nearly as easy because it's a completely different rack mounting system. The STI had those REALLY soft rack bushings that caused the slop. There's no one big source of slop on a 3S, it's just the summation of all the squish in all of the rubber bushings.

I also had the inch of vagueness on my VR4 that was fixed with a new rack. Everyone that drove the car commented on how firm the steering was, and I had only replaced the rack (outer and inner tie rods included) and the LCA bushings. I hadn't tackled the crap struts or subframe bushings.

One thing I know there is a slight leak from one of the AWS lines going to the back. If there is not the normal amount of PS fluid pressurized in the system would this cause slop as well?

I do have a freshly rebuilt steering rack sitting in my room... Maybe I should replace that when doing the AWS delete and get a new bushing. If its supposed to be tight then I believe you, it just seems a bit crazy on how much slack there is.

[STiedVR4Guy]

It's not going to be nearly as easy because it's a completely different rack mounting system. The STI had those REALLY soft rack bushings that caused the slop. There's no one big source of slop on a 3S, it's just the summation of all the squish in all of the rubber bushings.

I also had the inch of vagueness on my VR4 that was fixed with a new rack. Everyone that drove the car commented on how firm the steering was, and I had only replaced the rack (outer and inner tie rods included) and the LCA bushings. I hadn't tackled the crap struts or subframe bushings.

One thing I know there is a slight leak from one of the AWS lines going to the back. If there is not the normal amount of PS fluid pressurized in the system would this cause slop as well?

I do have a freshly rebuilt steering rack sitting in my room... Maybe I should replace that when doing the AWS delete and get a new bushing. If its supposed to be tight then I believe you, it just seems a bit crazy on how much slack there is.

[DuTTch]

Frist. Buy a honda civic

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