Armory Thread

[onebadmollafolla]

Id rather have at least a .40 for CCW. There are people out there that a 9mm will not take down, especially if they are intoxicated or high on something.

Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

[JohnnyTurbo]

Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

OK, here it goes... for the most part, terrets is correct. With the exception of a few extremely well placed shots, a 9mm is NOT known to be a one shot take down round. Perfect head shot, yes... perfect shot to the heart, yes. Anywhere else on an amped up meth head, good luck not emptying the magazine on him. Here is a true story of the ineffectiveness of a 9mm: The neighbor in front of me was a deputy sheriff and got a call about a dog gone mad and he responded to a St Bernard that was in a garage that had an apartment above it. The dog would not let the owner come down the steps (it was his dog) The deputy finally figured out it was time to shoot the dog when after 20 minutes, nothing calmed the dog down. Owner gave permission to shoot and the deputy did, again and again with his 9mm. The dog was really pissed off by the fourth shot and was running around and going up and down the steps. Bottom line was the deputy emptied the 15 round magazine into the dog. By round 12 the dog was being slowed down by all the lead but did not expire until after he was shot 15 times. In telling me the story, he went on to say that was one of the reasons they(the deputy sheriffs) did not want to go away from carrying a .40 cal to the 9mm, but it was a move that the Sheriff and the county dictated. He said that his .40 cal would have put the dog down with less than half of the shots. His assessment, not mine.

[terrets]

^Its the same thing with shooting a squirrel, chipmunk, or rabbit 8 times with a 22 and they dont drop.. Now a broad-head to a squirrel is a different story..



My first bow kill. Also my first shot at something live with a bow . From about 15 yards but I still think its pretty impressive

Thank you for that. I needed a laugh.

There are situations that you cant unload a full clip into someone, you cant get time enough to get a few good shots off. What happens when you hit them in the leg and the gut twice because you dont have time enough to aim? Id much rather have a .40 when that happens. I feel like you believe your a perfect shot in any situation, your much more likely to stop someone with a bigger caliber if you dont get a great shot. Better safe than sorry, isnt that the whole point of carrying?

Besides, dont you watch movies? Those guys get shot 6 times and continue to fight

[onebadmollafolla]

There are situations that you cant unload a full clip into someone, you cant get time enough to get a few good shots off. What happens when you hit them in the leg and the gut twice because you dont have time enough to aim? Id much rather have a .40 when that happens. I feel like you believe your a perfect shot in any situation, your much more likely to stop someone with a bigger caliber if you dont get a great shot. Better safe than sorry, isnt that the whole point of carrying?

Besides, dont you watch movies? Those guys get shot 6 times and continue to fight

Nevermind.

[onebadmollafolla]

OK, here it goes... for the most part, terrets is correct. With the exception of a few extremely well placed shots, a 9mm is NOT known to be a one shot take down round. Perfect head shot, yes... perfect shot to the heart, yes. Anywhere else on an amped up meth head, good luck not emptying the magazine on him. Here is a true story of the ineffectiveness of a 9mm: The neighbor in front of me was a deputy sheriff and got a call about a dog gone mad and he responded to a St Bernard that was in a garage that had an apartment above it. The dog would not let the owner come down the steps (it was his dog) The deputy finally figured out it was time to shoot the dog when after 20 minutes, nothing calmed the dog down. Owner gave permission to shoot and the deputy did, again and again with his 9mm. The dog was really pissed off by the fourth shot and was running around and going up and down the steps. Bottom line was the deputy emptied the 15 round magazine into the dog. By round 12 the dog was being slowed down by all the lead but did not expire until after he was shot 15 times. In telling me the story, he went on to say that was one of the reasons they(the deputy sheriffs) did not want to go away from carrying a .40 cal to the 9mm, but it was a move that the Sheriff and the county dictated. He said that his .40 cal would have put the dog down with less than half of the shots. His assessment, not mine.

The caliber wars can go on for years. Another point I've heard was from my teacher who was also a cop and later on a ballistics forensics experts in the lab, was quite different. I own guns in both caliber. I am proficient in my 9mm and I'll take that with me every day and I have no worries. The .40 S&W is an excellent round which is why I own a gun that carries them (HK USP .40). I've just gotten tired of going to the range with some inept shooter with 45 ACP telling me how it's the ultimate take down round yet they struggle hitting center mass shots at 30'.

[JohnnyTurbo]

On the note of CCW, Im curious about how all of you carry. How big are you, the gun, and where you carry it. I just got a shoulder holster for my XD .40 Subcompact and I feel like I wouldnt be able to carry it in the warmer months if I were to have it under just a t-shirt. I know I can carry unconcealed here but not when driving.. I just feel like someone could tell if Im carrying. Im not a very big guy, 140 and 5'7.. Just looking for ideas.

A lot of instructors will tell you not to carry "Miami vice style" ie shoulder holster. You have to cross draw using one of those and that is slow and hard to conceal the draw. Strong side holster is the choice of almost all your CCW instructors. IWB (inside Waist Band) or OWB (outside) is the choice after that. A good holster is what you need and the ones that seem to work the best are a combination of a leather backing with a molded Kydex holster mounted to it. Here is an example.

And here is how it looks in use.

[onebadmollafolla]

A lot of instructors will tell you not to carry "Miami vice style" ie shoulder holster. You have to cross draw using one of those and that is slow and hard to conceal the draw. Strong side holster is the choice of almost all your CCW instructors. IWB (inside Waist Band) or OWB (outside) is the choice after that. A good holster is what you need and the ones that seem to work the best are a combination of a leather backing with a molded Kydex holster mounted to it. Here is an example.

This, exactly. Strong side hip draw. Hands down the fastest draw. In a real life situation for utilizing your ccw is how quick someone can access their gun and have it drawn, and shot placement.

[JohnnyTurbo]

The caliber wars can go on for years. Another point I've heard was from my teacher who was also a cop and later on a ballistics forensics experts in the lab, was quite different. I own guns in both caliber. I am proficient in my 9mm and I'll take that with me every day and I have no worries. The .40 S&W is an excellent round which is why I own a gun that carries them (HK USP .40). I've just gotten tired of going to the range with some inept shooter with 45 ACP telling me how it's the ultimate take down round yet they struggle hitting center mass shots at 30'.

And to be fair, that might be the case with any gun in their hand, some people are just not good shots. That and it could be the gun. I got rid of a Ruger P90DC because I just couldn't get it to shoot where it should. As soon as I got my Kimber home, I went outside and shot a few rounds to check the gun out. Shot was where I wanted it every time. I surely didn't get any better or worse from one gun to the other, it was the gun. The same story is repeated between my P85 Ruger (9mm) and my HK P2000 (9mm). The HK is way more accurate in my hands than the Ruger, I pass it off as the difference between a sub $400 gun and one that costs over $700.

[terrets]

Thank you for that. Ya I mostly got the shoulder harness for when Im walking around in the woods and target shooting.. my problem is finding a nice hip holster. Id for sure go for IWB..

Where is a good place to purchase them?

[JohnnyTurbo]

... I know I can carry unconcealed here but not when driving.. I just feel like someone could tell if Im carrying. Im not a very big guy, 140 and 5'7.. Just looking for ideas.

Yeah, that sucks. In Ohio we just had our law get changed in Sept. to be better while driving. You can now drive concealed or on the seat. The bit about having to be locked up in the glove compartment or console is gone also. The other end of the law change also allows us to now carry in liquor establishments as long and the carrier is not drinking alcohol. Small victories over a period of time has the Ohio CCW law getting better than when it was first passed.