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[IPD]

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lest we forget that the 360 actually had a manual that was souped up to behave like an ATX. Had Ferrari used a DCG, the results would have been different.

As far as the SLK55 AMG goes, if their biggest complaint about the transmission is coming to a stop, I think I can live with that. Any valve-body mods for snappier shifts will tend to render the same effects.

I'm not saying that the technology is perfect (although PWR mode on a 3/s shifts at redline & kicks-down 2 gears easily if you stomp on it). What I am glad of is that 7 & 8 speed ATX's are now seeing the light of day, which means increased fuel economy and smoother shifts. And no, I'm not saying that all cars share the technology of a 70k car from 2005. What I do believe is that technology has been trickling down for those interim years (even base model MB's are available with these newer ATX's), and Toyota, Ford and GM have all migrated to at least 6-speed ATX's on virtually their entire lineup.

I grant you that TCU's still have room for improvement, and that's fine. I still believe that rowing through gears is an obsolete idea, and paddle-shifters should be a minimum standard (sequential or DCG), even if we're going to retain the left pedal.

[95gto]

But still, I was talking about MODERN PERFORMANCE atx's. The paddle shift atx system in the 360 is 9 years and 2 generations old now. It is far from what is now available in the 458.

It does suck that the manual is harder and harder to find. But as long as all the cars I own are manuals I will be happy.

The funny thing is, the lack of a real manual is what will keep me out of ever owning a current GTR or Ferrari. Granted I can't afford a Ferrari but I could a GTR if it was a goal.

-John

I think this point has made many would be Evo X owners go with the GSR over the MR.

Electrohydraulic manual transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lest we forget that the 360 actually had a manual that was souped up to behave like an ATX. Had Ferrari used a DCG, the results would have been different.

As far as the SLK55 AMG goes, if their biggest complaint about the transmission is coming to a stop, I think I can live with that. Any valve-body mods for snappier shifts will tend to render the same effects.

I'm not saying that the technology is perfect (although PWR mode on a 3/s shifts at redline & kicks-down 2 gears easily if you stomp on it). What I am glad of is that 7 & 8 speed ATX's are now seeing the light of day, which means increased fuel economy and smoother shifts. And no, I'm not saying that all cars share the technology of a 70k car from 2005. What I do believe is that technology has been trickling down for those interim years (even base model MB's are available with these newer ATX's), and Toyota, Ford and GM have all migrated to at least 6-speed ATX's on virtually their entire lineup.

I grant you that TCU's still have room for improvement, and that's fine. I still believe that rowing through gears is an obsolete idea, and paddle-shifters should be a minimum standard (sequential or DCG), even if we're going to retain the left pedal.

The increase in ATX gear count is a result of increasing fuel efficiency standards, so in a sense you are thanking the tree hugging hippies in our government for advancements in automotive technology, doesn't that sound bass ackwards. And though more gears do help to get you to the right gear faster, the inherent laziness of an ATX still exists. At cruising speed the trans will shift up to a gear that functions as overdrive for that particular speed for fuel ecoomy reasons, but this renders basic throttle response useless. When in this cruising situation and you have to accelerate you have three choices:

1) Feed slight throttle and deal with the poor response as the car struggles to accelerate while in at least one gear too high.

2) Feed in moderate throttle and wait for the vehicle to first try option #1 and after several seconds of that failing it will drop a gear and things will be as they should.

3) Feed in significant throttle so the TCU responds with an immediate gear change but now you are at least 1 gear too low and your RPM's are much higher than necessary. This condition creates an unneccessary level of throttle response.

The overall feeling you are left with is that you either have too abrupt of throttle response or no throttle respone at all. With an MTX you just natrually drop a gear and go. Until the standard ATX can resolve this issue it will be as nice as electric power steering for true driving.

The fact that technology does trickle down and a handful of affordable cars have good paddle setups is very promising. But there is still more progress to be made. The big question is will the advancements arrive before marketing people convince the automakers to drop the MTX.

[J-Groove]

I think this point has made many would be Evo X owners go with the GSR over the MR.

Funny you say that. A good friend of mine bought a GSR over a MR for that very reason. As have a number of other owners who I meet at HPDE events.




You see many more GSRs at track events than MRs.

-John

[IPD]

It is what it is; nostalgia supplants logic or rationale 6 ways to Sunday. Nobody cares that a 7 speed ATX can kick down up to 4 gears at once. Meh. I've never encountered "too much downshift"--even when slamming the pedal to the firewall. Even 1 second in a lower gear before it hits redline is sufficient justification for using that gear, imho--especially when shifts take less than 1/10th of a second.

[boosted3s]

Anyway, back on topic. I threw some paint on my tires. I'm pretty satisfied with the outcome.

[Boomer3000]

Looks really good, just don't go the stupid fucking stretched tires and hella flush look....God can't stand that stupid shit.

[boosted3s]

Looks really good, just don't go the stupid fucking stretched tires and hella flush look....God can't stand that stupid shit.

It's pretty flush. In fact the rims poke a touch. And the tires are mildly stretched 245s. I like the stanced style and have a set of fn1r-c's if I feel like hitting the track. I plan on angry eyeing the hood and painting my rear bumper when it warms up a touch. I'm also still waiting on a friends fender roller. Hoping to get it today and have a proper photo shoot soon.

[green-lantern]

Looks really good, just don't go the stupid fucking stretched tires and hella flush look....God can't stand that stupid shit.

+1

Anyway, back on topic. I threw some paint on my tires. I'm pretty satisfied with the outcome.

That's on the edge but damn! nice freaking pic!

Look at it this way, when you go too low or stretch tires you loose performance. That's the main reason people hate it. Other than it can look stupid. Please stop here, it looks great and looks like it will still take a corner without shredding a tire.

[Boomer3000]

It's pretty flush. In fact the rims poke a touch. And the tires are mildly stretched 245s. I like the stanced style and have a set of fn1r-c's if I feel like hitting the track. I plan on angry eyeing the hood and painting my rear bumper when it warms up a touch. I'm also still waiting on a friends fender roller. Hoping to get it today and have a proper photo shoot soon.

See you are right on that line, of looks amazing and wouldnt change a thing stance lol.. Looks amazing. Past that might be too much haha.

[IPD]

looks stretched to me. about like 275's on 10" wide rims, not terrible, but not really my taste. LOVE the 2g 3k sides and r/t sails.