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    Apple Orders Technicians to Feign Ignorance About Mac Malware

    DailyTech - Apple Orders Technicians to Feign Ignorance About Mac Malware

    Jobs and company hope to keep customers ignorant of the truth


    Apple, Inc. (AAPL) long had the good fortune (from a certain perspective) of not being very popular with consumers and thus gaining security through obscurity. With millions of Macs in the wild and Apple sitting pretty in fourth place in PC sales, though, the company is seeing an increasing number of malware attacks.

    I. The Customers Want the Truth? They Can't HANDLE the Truth!

    In response to these attacks Apple has reportedly implemented a policy which is equal measures bizarre and baffling -- it's telling technicians to adopt a "don't ask don't tell" policy with regards to customers complaints about malware, feigning ignorance on the topic.

    An Apple Store Genius (store technician) leaked internal documents to ArsTechnica. One memo reads:

    Apple Internal Use Only - Issue/Investigation in Progress - Confidential Information - Do Not Disclose Externally

    Symptoms

    Customers may call AppleCare to report and issue with malware (trojan) software known as Mac Defender or Mac Security, or because they are concerned that their Mac could become infected. The name may vary as new variants are released onto the internet. This malware is installed from malicious websites.

    Products Affected

    Mac OS X 10.6, Mac OS X 10.5, Mac OS X 10.4

    A second memo adds:

    Important

    Do not confirm or deny that any such software has been installed.
    Do not attempt to remove or uninstall any malware software.
    Do not send escalations or contact Tier 2 for support about removing the software or provide impact data.
    Do not refer customers to the Apple Retail Store. The ARS does not provide any additional support for malware.
    The disgusted Apple employee is quoted as stating, "Frankly, it's Social Engineering at it's finest. In some respects, I feel a little bad for the people hit by this, but at the same time, I can't help but be frustrated that people inherently trust everything they're prompted to do on their machines. The beauty of Mac OS X is its security model. That people blindly enter a password is going to be the undoing of it."

    (The employee's comments allude to that Apple's OS requires users to verify installations using a feature similar to the UAC found in Windows 7.)

    II. How Widespread is the problem?

    Andy says that in the past about 0.2 percent of service Macs were suffering from some kind of malware -- "most always DNS trojans." Now that number soared to around 5.8 percent, mostly thanks to MacDefender -- a trojan that DailyTech previously reported on.

    The employee states, "There's been a very real uptick in the number of malware instances we've seen."

    "With regard to how the company is dealing with it, the answer is not very well," he adds. "As you know, OS X requires an admin user to authenticate and OK the install for pretty much anything that's not drag and drop. The response has been a case of 'they installed it, so it's not our problem.' Until something that makes use of a zero-day exploit hits, I really doubt that we're going to do anything, technology wise, to address this."

    But is the OS X security model really superior to Windows 7?

    Famed Mac security expert Charlie Miller, who won multiple years for the fast Mac hack at Pwn2Own, comments, "Mac OS X is no more secure than any other operating system. It has vulnerabilities, and it will let you download and run malware. The difference is that there simply isn't that much malware written for it. The bad guys have focused all their energies at Windows, which makes up the vast majority of the computers out there. However, as market share for Macs continues to inch up, that equation is going to change and bad guys will begin to focus in on Macs, if that hasn't already started to happen. And as I mentioned above, Macs are no more inherently secure than Windows, so when the bad guys decide to go after them with gusto, it'll get ugly fast."

    Other hackers have also commented that OS X 10.6 ("Snow Leopard") has inferior security to Windows 7. To boot, Apple doesn't provide users with free antimalware software like Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) does.

    III. How Long Can Apple Keep up the Charade?

    In recent months botnet-forming worms and trojans have targeted OS X. Most of these pieces of malware have been amateurish efforts, though, or works in progress. Nonetheless it remains a very real possibility that Apple could one day see a serious attack.

    The question remains how long Apple can continue to manage to deceive its customers and obfuscate the fact that its platform has malware on it, and that the threat is growing.

    But the line still seems to be working on the most gullible of Mac users. For example in our coverage of the MacDefender infection one pro-Apple commentator and self proclaimed "expert", "TonySwash" wrote:

    In the real world actual and successful malware attacks on Macs are virtually unknown, and if there are any at all the number is vanishingly small.

    ...

    The really embarrassing thing is not that Windows get's (sic) all that malware, that's just the result of piss poor design decisions going back decades, what's really shameful is the way that some Windows fans choose to deal with this reality. They deny it. It's not Microsoft or Windows faults (sic), it's everybody's problem, or if it's not everybody's problem then its (sic) some sort of perverse reflection of Windows strength (sic).

    ...

    Eventually Apple may have to face the music, though, particularly if customers take legal action against it for feigning ignorance, now that corporate documents have revealed that Apple is well aware of the attacks on its platform.

    There's plenty of things you can fault Microsoft and the Windows platform for, but one thing you can say in their favor is that at least when they encounter malware they try to help customers and counter rather than claiming their products are "magic" and have no problems.
    Let the lulz commence.

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    These Apple threads remind me of the old abortion threads.

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    Apple hopes that if it pretends that malware doesn't exist its customers will believe so too. Apple techs are under strict orders not to help customers who are suffering from malware infections
    Employees claim ~6 percent of Macs are now infected by malware, though many Mac owners are convinced their computers are "immune" to such problems.
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    You can spot an article written by a PC fanboy a mile away.

    As Mike posted in the other thread, here's the original 'leaked' report:
    http://m.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apple-t...e-malware/3362

    And my take on it:

    Sounds like a liability issue - as in, tossed in by Apple's legal department. Since the computer is not in the rep's possession, and because 95% of the time tech support callers have no frickin' clue what they're talking about, it would make sense to not give a definite answer over the phone on what the status of their machine may be. This is the task of anti-virus/malware detection software like ClamXAV, iAntivirus, Norton, etc.

    If we're implying that Apple is suggesting that their machines can't get malware'd, I invite you to look at the contradictions:

    Apple - Why You

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple.com
    no computer connected to the Internet [not even an Apple computer] is completely immune to all viruses and spyware
    This article wasn't originally written by Fox News, was it?

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    Except that Apple's own employees are the source of the article! Is he now a PC fanboi, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTyla View Post
    Except that Apple's own employees are the source of the article! Is he now a PC fanboi, too?
    For sure!! I wouldn't be surprised what kind of people they let work the Apple retail stores or tech support lines. :P

    Whether the source's identity is confirmed or not, or if this is just another 'leak' like most companies deal with and then flavored with anti-Apple commentary, is another question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthify View Post
    For sure!! I wouldn't be surprised what kind of people they let work the Apple retail stores or tech support lines. :P

    Whether the source's identity is confirmed or not, or if this is just another 'leak' like most companies deal with and then flavored with anti-Apple commentary, is another question.
    i wouldn't be either. apple is rather draconian about employing people who aren't willing to commit seppuku on the spur of the moment...if jobs willed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness View Post
    i wouldn't be either. apple is rather draconian about employing people who aren't willing to commit seppuku on the spur of the moment...if jobs willed it.
    Spoken as though you, personally, know someone that worked at Apple... well, do you? Or more likely, you came up with these assumptions on your own based on your (personally) jaded views of the brand.

    I can tell you that my sister has worked for the Apple financial branch in Austin, Texas for about two years back in 2007-2009. She didn't own a single Mac product at that time (and was indifferent about the company), but the company attitude there is really no different than Google (at least what I read about it). Employs get great benefits, no dress code, no Jobs breathing down your neck. In fact, she said the only times they heard from him was maybe once a month when he'd either visit in person or do a web conference to all of them as a group to get their feedback on things. Very hands on type and, despite the demonizing by some slanted news articles, surprisingly quite well received by the people working for him.

    Yeah, yeah, they were all sheepified.

    Anyway, I know you PC guys like to bash Apple, but I didn't think you all truly lost your common sense in the process. There are reasons to bash Apple, but this is not one of them. ...or you're stretchin', like Fox News.

    You don't want to be like Fox News, do you?

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    i used to be a fan of apple. there was a point (in college) where i had seriously considered buying a power-mac. unfortunately, a never-ending torrent of jobs-decrees, increased exposure to brain-dead i-tards, and an as-of-yet unaddressed lack of support for the majority of computer games led me to order my first (and last) gaming desktop--and alienware--back in 2001. since then, i've switched to gaming laptops & haven't looked back. dollar for dollar, i can pay for an overpriced laptop by ponying up for an alienware--and it will hand-down be more capable than anything apple has to offer.

    apple started this. apple came out with the "mac vs pc" ads. i mean it's ok if you want to poke fun of something...especially when it has admitted deficiencies. it's when apple started making the case that somehow apple was "infallible"--or at least trying to generate that impression (based on said commercials) that i start calling BS & handing it back.

    if you don't mind the social/political commentary, and can take this for just want it says about apple...i think it's rather apt:


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    Quote Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness View Post
    i used to be a fan of apple. there was a point (in college) where i had seriously considered buying a power-mac. unfortunately, a never-ending torrent of jobs-decrees, increased exposure to brain-dead i-tards, and an as-of-yet unaddressed lack of support for the majority of computer games led me to order my first (and last) gaming desktop--and alienware--back in 2001. since then, i've switched to gaming laptops & haven't looked back. dollar for dollar, i can pay for an overpriced laptop by ponying up for an alienware--and it will hand-down be more capable than anything apple has to offer.
    This could be the most personal response you've made yet on the topic. I appreciate you telling me about that, it's helping me understand you better.

    Unfortunately, you're not telling me anything I haven't heard before. I remember looking at my PC friends with a little bit of jealousy back during the PowerPC days, wishing I could play their games. Sadly, I was stuck on my Mac with Hypercard and AOL.

    Gladly (or sadly - I'm a little nostalgic), those days are over. Crysis II running smoothly in Bootcamp, no limitations on which programs or system I'm using, etc has given me renewed appreciation for the brand. Maybe its because I still actively used them for my work and in my personal life, that the hate didn't fully brew up in me. I learned the system and computers inside and out.

    Quote Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness
    apple started this. apple came out with the "mac vs pc" ads. i mean it's ok if you want to poke fun of something...especially when it has admitted deficiencies. it's when apple started making the case that somehow apple was "infallible"--or at least trying to generate that impression (based on said commercials) that i start calling BS & handing it back.
    And you're right, they did. Clever-ass marketing if you ask me, but I definitely saw it getting under the skin of some of my closest PC buds. It wasn't helping drive unity at all, and it was only building more contempt between the platforms. It certainly helped bring Apple more customers though, and in that way their marketing team did what it was supposed to do. I will admit that, in some ways, I did feel a little sweet retribution for how much I was made fun of growing up for enjoying my Mac for what it was.

    ps - oh and trust me, I love the Apple parodies as much as you do. How close they hit to home sometimes.
    Last edited by stealthify; 05-21-2011 at 05:56 AM.

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