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    Good move. There's no need IMO. If they say they killed him, then that's good enough for me.(no one is dumb enough to fake something like this)

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    He wants conspiracy theory's, like I said its political. He lets it fester for awhile, then during the campaign releases absolute proof and makes his opponents look dumb.
    I've been biting my tongue on this one since shortly after this story broke...the majority of people I see asking for proof appears to be democrat/liberal based. Don't mean that in a bad way whatsoever towards anyone, but it's comically ironic when it's the republican/conservatives that are typically charged as being conspiracy theorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy View Post
    Good move. There's no need IMO. If they say they killed him, then that's good enough for me.(no one is dumb enough to fake something like this)


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    Yeah. our Gov't would never try to cover up/lie about the important stuff, cmon guys, they all tell teh troof.

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    If one things for sure, this has made a mockery of OPSEC and operational TTPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTOJOE View Post
    That's right it would be no worse. In fact it's the same thing and your OK with it??? That sort of thing is the reason we have been fighting Osama. To stop behaviour like that. I know your not being 100% serious but I still think we need to stop and think about things before we say them. We are talking about human life here afterall.

    Anyway I for one won't believe anything till we have independant proof. I don't doubt he's dead. I personally think he was probably killed long ago [and kept it quite] and they have just been using it to stay in the middle east "looking for him".
    i can assure you that we're not "staying in the middle east" because of personal interests. we're in the middle east until we can get afghanistan stabilized to the point at which we have a reasonable certainty that it won't immediately start harboring terrorist groups as it had in the 90's. there's a lot of naive misunderstanding which mistakenly perceives US actions in the current conflict as imperialistic and warmongering. this isn't surprising...given that you never hear the facts from the media. the truth is, a large percentage of the time our troops utilize is spent on rebuilding efforts. roads, schools, etc. of course, humanitarian efforts by our military isn't as sensational as us kicking in doors and shooting people in the head...so guess which one makes the news?

    frankly, the current conflict is a quagmire of spending; yet if we are to have learned our lesson from 20 years ago...it's not enough to simply rid the country of undesirable elements--we need to stabilize it to prevent rogue juntas from seizing power at all. indirectly, our lack of efforts after the withdrawal of the soviets is what lead to 9-11.

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    other than the catharsis derived from the desecration of osama's corpse; the other key factor is that the middle-east cultures understand very little as clearly as they do absolute violence and brutality. that means that our choice of actions has to weigh the impact of making a statement of deterrence against the pacification and appeasement of our current, potential, and future allies in the war on terror. i believe our choice was the correct one. it may not cause terrorists the world over to shit themselves overnight; but it will make it a LOT easier to start picking them off one by one. that will probably be exponentially more effective in the long run.

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    ^All of that. All day. Everyday.

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    what i dont understand is this:

    National security officials agreed "the best option is the one that gives proof," the official said.
    hence they send in a SEAL team to take bin laden out.

    but then they opt not to show proof? I admit I am torn with their decision. maybe the shot to his head pretty much blew a huge chunk of it off. well what did they expect? use a paintball gun to take him down instead?

    I still think, despite what perceived negative effects may come out, that they should release a photo of bin laden. maybe even the one from the ship after his body was cleaned and before it was dumped in the sea.

    this quote said it best:

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican member of the Armed Services Committee
    “I respectfully disagree with President Obama’s decision not to release the photos. It’s a mistake. The whole purpose of sending our soldiers into the compound, rather than an aerial bombardment, was to obtain indisputable proof of Bin Laden’s death. I know Bin Laden is dead. But the best way to protect and defend our interests overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world. I’m afraid the decision made today by President Obama will unnecessarily prolong this debate.”
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    Graham is probably right. I think the photos will be released, just not right now. On its face, I would say that they are probably waiting to see what terrorist reprisals will follow OBL's death, before "rocking the boat" even further with photos of him dead.

    Again though... I am not 100% sure he is dead. We definitely have him though, whether dead or alive, I don't know. Considering that Pakistan is now taking heat for harboring a terrorist all this time, there's no way the US would be faking the whole episode. We went in and got him, and Pakistan knows it's the truth. We may be faking his death, but I think it's obvious we got him during the raid, not at some previous date as some others have said.

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    Mass State senator is now saying the photos shown to him he believes to be fake.

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