Megan Racing Coilovers keep changing height as I drive.

[jtvr4]

Inpefect, please post the plot for the megans you have. I want to compare them to mine.

[IPD]

as i'm about 8,000 miles away from my house right now, i won't be able to post anything that i have....for now. if i can remember when i get home, i'll be happy to post it up.

p.s.

i don't have megans. i have d2's.

[DG]

as of this precise moment time, such a setup is not available from any of our vendors as a KIT.

Oh dear God man, must everything be presented to you on a silver platter?

You have already been given more than enough information to start piecing this together. You know where to buy the shocks. You know where to buy the sleeves. A simple Google search will give you Hypercoil's address and you can buy springs direct from there. Links have already been posted to mechanical drawings for the parts that need to be made - granted, for a DSM/Koni solution but the concepts are very similar and 5 minutes with a $20 digital caliper will tell you what dimensions have to be changed.

You don't always get to peek at the answers in the back of the book. If you're going to try and talk like you know what you are doing, try doing some research and design on your own for once.

Have you read ANY of the linked material?

DG

[x2percentmilk]

I think you guys are fighting two separate battles. What is good for one user may not be good for another. Most people with megans are happy with them, period. Most people with megans also dont have "30+ track days a year". I dont doubt what you are saying or the information youve posted, but for a street car how easy is it to just buy the megans, toss them on, and be happy?

[IPD]

Oh dear God man, must everything be presented to you on a silver platter?

You have already been given more than enough information to start piecing this together. You know where to buy the shocks. You know where to buy the sleeves. A simple Google search will give you Hypercoil's address and you can buy springs direct from there. Links have already been posted to mechanical drawings for the parts that need to be made - granted, for a DSM/Koni solution but the concepts are very similar and 5 minutes with a $20 digital caliper will tell you what dimensions have to be changed.

You don't always get to peek at the answers in the back of the book. If you're going to try and talk like you know what you are doing, try doing some research and design on your own for once.

Have you read ANY of the linked material?

DG

again, diminishing returns.

if i choose a suspension setup that's garbage, my butt gets sore.

if i choose a turbo/tuning setup that's garbage, my engine blows up.



...VASTLY different outcomes we're talking about. ironically, most people will rely on "word-of-mouth" experience in either case. when they hear 95% of people with megans are happy; they listen. when they hear that people who don't install their timing belts properly destroy their heads; they listen. when they hear that not fixing a dent in your oil pan can give you a spun bearing; they listen. again though, you're talking about the difference between a rough/comfortable ride--and a working/blown engine. is it REALLY that surprising to you that your average person (who uses the car as a DD or weekend car, NOT A PROFESSIONAL TRACK CAR) really doesn't give 2 shits about looking into the ultra-technical specs of setup A v. setup B--when the worst that will happen is they swap out for something they like better?

yes, you ARE going to have to put a stock-replacement setup on a silver platter. period. perhaps hardcore racers are all into dynoing everything, deciphering cartesian-planes, and comparing resonant frequencies of this part to that part. your "casual driver" doesn't care. your casual driver has a butt-dyno. nothing else will till him/her about suspension differences; unlike messing with the engine--which will grenade itself if you mistreat it (and also has a datalogger). casual drivers are NOT going to dyno their suspension components--let alone install datalogging parts on their suspensions.

if you feel that there's a "best of best" for OEM, non-ecs replacement--then it will have to be offered as a package. period. you cannot sell to this segment by telling the consumer to "do the legwork yourself". it will not happen. "junk" $500 NEX coilovers off ebay > "do the legwork yourself" for 99.99999% of casual drivers.

/rant.

[J. Fast]

I have a second suspension setup designed by one of my Chumpster Teammates that's Bilsteins all I have to do is fab me up some perch's and add a few little macined lathed pieces and it's done. I also am working on a custom ECS controller using an arduino that's is smart enough to change dymanically and adjust the valving on each corner individually. I was lucky enough to know the right people and get the right advice and see the results first hand in terms of performance. When the smoke clears I'll have spent a total of $1800 in R&D and fitting for both a custom controlled ECS suspension (with a customizable suspension program), and a fully custom Bilstien setup. If I really want a knob I'll swap to Penske's and build a custom controller to manage those.

I pretty much listen when DG talks about suspension and have gone through the very process he described with fitting a custom bilstein suspension and have also fitted several DSM's. If some of you guys have questions about how I fitted my car lemme know. I won't post public pics, but would be more than happy to share some info via email or PM's and get you in contact with the machinist that has the templates.

Keep on rockin it DG, good thread man!

[jtvr4]

I think you guys are fighting two separate battles. What is good for one user may not be good for another. Most people with megans are happy with them, period. Most people with megans also dont have "30+ track days a year". I dont doubt what you are saying or the information youve posted, but for a street car how easy is it to just buy the megans, toss them on, and be happy?

Yes, that's fine and nobody is saying otherwise. What some of us are saying, is that megans/etc are not a true performance setup. This is coming from someone who owns a set. If people don't like reading that, than that's their problem and they should deal with it quietly.

Imperfect: diminishing returns is a term that doesn't exist on the track and a good setup vs my megans is night and day.

J. Fast: I would love to see your final results.

[ilian51378]

Interesting read... I learned so much, AFTER I purchased some Tein S-Tech springs for my stock non-ECS shocks... I guess, for a daily driver without any racing, but just lowering intentions, I will be fine. Too bad that I also purchased adjustable control arms and then I learned that I won't need them... There goes $160 wrongly spent! Gread info here though! I feel better after reading this thread, which is not the case most of the time when I spend the time to read through a whole thread...

[x2percentmilk]

Just wanted to add, I didnt want to come off as mean or anything, and I forgot to thank DG for the info he posted. It will probably help when I finally get to start road racing.

[-dLs-]

Oiy...

So you guys seem to be fighting a huge back and fourth battle that makes me chuckle.

The phrase each of you seem to ignore is "You get what you pay for"

DG you talk about building this to modify that to get XYZ performance like you did on the track.

Everyone I can tell who are using megans are driving to and from work, and just wanted a simple bolt in replacement over theri blown to shite ECS that no longer works and is rather clunky in the weight dept.

I love that you're uber enthusiastic about this but you did leave out key things:
1) price ranges of tested shocks (why is this important? because $500 shocks used ona neon dont work the same as $500,000 shocks on an f1)
2) Specific models of shocks test (you did slightly address that but then labled the whole company as shite)
3) Practicality and ease of use

What is 'easy' to someone who has been mechanically inclined for more years than the average age of alot of posters in here and raced and blah blah blah is only interesting to those of us who have no garage no tools and just need to get the shocks put them on and have something decent. DECENT. we're not asking that it take on a mountain at 150mph in 4 varying degrees of pitch.

You're honestly attacking people who differ their view from what you have tested. While that might be true...remember you tested ONE shock out of how many made? What are the decisive factors that might have been a bad shock? It might not have been BRAND NEW. It might have had who knows whats wrong with it. Or yes it could have been the best quality that certain range could be. You dont really know. Im sure someone out there absolutely hates the shocks you so hold up on a pedistal because it was an epic failure.

Just take it into consideration...people have megans, they've used them, they've not had a bad ride in real life, why degridate them so viciously and attempt to belittle them so harshly? Seriously dude, tone it down a notch. breathe, i dont care but relax.

-dLs-