3S is offically not cool any more....

[IPD]

i have had quite a few folks and not old ones ask me at a cruise in if my sons vr4 is a pontiac or caramo. at one cruise in when you leave the mc will anounce there goes a 1936 5 window ford but when the vr4 goes by he says i dont know what that is ...

then you're proving my point. the 3/s is a great car to own because people don't know what it is. if your car can be ID'd by the average 8th grader, then it's not unique. the only reason people say camaro/firebird with our cars is because that's about as close as they can conceive of. honestly, it doesn't FIT any molds; which is why i've never heard anyone make a declarative statement about a stock-bodied 3/s as being a "GM product" with any confidence. it's always an interrogative.

i'll never understand the "blend in" segment. buy a "classic" (and i use that term loosely) car, fix it up, paint it like everyone else's, go just as slow as everyone elses, etc.

then again, i'm a guy who would take a 928 over a 911 any day of the week; regardless of which 911 it was.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Honestly, it means no one cared enough to commit to memory. Not that that's how I feel, but it is the truth. Or maybe y'all just live in areas with excess lead in the water? I've never had anyone NOT know what my Stealth was. Got asked to prove it didn't have a v-8 under the hood more than once, but other than that... Then again, most all were younger folks...

Actually it proves MY point as well. $500 says the MC wasn't a young guy. But, I bet he could point out the difference between a base Coronet and an R/T. It is ALL relative to the era you grew up in, and/or immediate influences.

The draw of muscle cars is the raw simplicity. No gadgets, driver band-aid bullshit, computers and other such nonsense. Just pure badassery topped with heaps of torque. They will always be cool...because nothing else looks like them, sounds like them, smells like them and so on.

Jeremy

p.s. glass is gay, if it ain't steel you can get bent on your easter egg colored poser-mobile.

p.p.s. of course a 67 GS looks like a 67 Chevelle, they're both gm a-body cars. the same as all the g-bodies look identical. ain't shit changed from then and now, cues are shared amongst chassis, and stolen by competition. same shit, different era.

[bluzvr4]

i am 21 years old and i can tell the differences i do admit i have alot of people ask what my car is. but i had a 66 corvair and i got asked 3x's more

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Yep, it's simply what you grew up around and/or when you grew up.

Corvair, boy there's a true mechanics car! My dad went through quite a few of them. One he got so pissed off at he pulled over in the median of a busy intersection, took off the license plate, popped the vin off the dash and walked away.

Jeremy

[bluzvr4]

i learned to drive stick im my 110hp 3 speed lol white with blue interior.

[IPD]

Honestly, it means no one cared enough to commit to memory. Not that that's how I feel, but it is the truth. Or maybe y'all just live in areas with excess lead in the water? I've never had anyone NOT know what my Stealth was. Got asked to prove it didn't have a v-8 under the hood more than once, but other than that... Then again, most all were younger folks...

Actually it proves MY point as well. $500 says the MC wasn't a young guy. But, I bet he could point out the difference between a base Coronet and an R/T. It is ALL relative to the era you grew up in, and/or immediate influences.

The draw of muscle cars is the raw simplicity. No gadgets, driver band-aid bullshit, computers and other such nonsense. Just pure badassery topped with heaps of torque. They will always be cool...because nothing else looks like them, sounds like them, smells like them and so on.
Jeremy

so why isn't steve68 driving one?

p.s. glass is gay, if it ain't steel you can get bent on your easter egg colored poser-mobile.

glass? as in fibreglass? wait...isn't the vette all fibreglass since it was introduced?

p.p.s. of course a 67 GS looks like a 67 Chevelle, they're both gm a-body cars. the same as all the g-bodies look identical. ain't shit changed from then and now, cues are shared amongst chassis, and stolen by competition. same shit, different era.

and the 3/s shares sheetmetal with....what? seriously, comparing it to GM is hilarious. how many w-body cars have been produced?

GM has always been the king of cloning itself:

Chevy: the garden variety
Buick: the old people's version
Cadillac: the pimp version
Oldsmobile: the "we don't really know why we're making yet another varianty" version
Pontiac: the body-cladding division
GMC: the "haha sucker you just paid for a body kit on a chevy" version

not to pick on just GM. chrysler did the same damn thing with plymouth. ford did the same thing with mercury.

but it's still a question of why it has following. the 3/s (like all 90's japanese flagship imports--save the miata) was unique.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

so why isn't steve68 driving one?

glass? as in fibreglass? wait...isn't the vette all fibreglass since it was introduced?

Stop arguing like a girl, stay within context. I guess you're not familiar with the phrase "Henry J. steel"? We were specifically dicussing deuce coupes, which goes on to include any re-pop kit car bullshit. So yes in actual context, glass is gay. /final answer

and the 3/s shares sheetmetal with....what?

Itself? Was there really a need for both cars? Nope, not at all. Was there a need for the Eclipse/Talon/Laser? Again, absolutely not. I mean, what a super marketing idea...hey guys let's bring back EAGLE! Because I'm positive the general public just couldn't get enough of this:

seriously, comparing it to GM is hilarious. how many w-body cars have been produced?

GM has always been the king of cloning itself:

Chevy: the garden variety
Buick: the old people's version
Cadillac: the pimp version
Oldsmobile: the "we don't really know why we're making yet another varianty" version
Pontiac: the body-cladding division
GMC: the "haha sucker you just paid for a body kit on a chevy" version

not to pick on just GM. chrysler did the same damn thing with plymouth. ford did the same thing with mercury.

but it's still a question of why it has following. the 3/s (like all 90's japanese flagship imports--save the miata) was unique.

Again, point proven. Nothing has changed, every brand shares chassis and steals cues from others. What people like is a product of their environment, and there's nothing wrong with that. Acting like an elitist and slamming every car that isn't the same as what is in their driveway is beyond silly and makes them look like an uneducated dipstick.

I never compared the 3/S to GM, or any specific manufacturer. The only comparison I made was uniqueness of the 3/S vs. a muscle car. Specifically, turbo 3/S and comparable trim muscle cars. You brought Darts and Falcons into it. Apples to oranges, do you compare a sohc 91 Stealth to a 91 VR4? Right. I'm talking about 396 or better Chevelles, GS Stage 1's, ACR Cuda's and so forth. Not a slant 6 Fury.

Jeremy

[j2k4]

You know what it is?

Cue up the video of Matt's 8-second quarter, and listen for the big-block in the bleach-box as Matt launches.

As 3S will never, ever make a noise like that - time-slips be damned.

[IPD]

anyone can make a car loud. any v8 can be made to rumble.

imho, the crown jewel of performance is a single-digit timeslip in a car that's as silent as a prius.

p.s.

i don't think "kit-car rebuilds" are ghey. if, say, 10 years from now, someone started offering them for the 3/s; i'd be in line. looks the same, so what difference does it make? losing $5,000 in car value because the alternator bracket doesn't have the same MFG numbers as the rest of the car is fucking hilarious to me; but that's exactly what i see with GTO's, shelby's, etc.

give me a factory 5 over an original shelby cobra any day of the week.

[mcshooter]

balls to the wall with the big dogs, you must be kidding. ever watch pinks all out, never saw a 3s there yet