MySQL... doomed...

[Mikes2nd]

okay lets do the math for the people from Michigan ... 2000$ is for a year of support... Microsoft charges for that year??? 0$ thats right ZERO!

Now the initial purchase price is 2500$... but this gets supported for 10 years for how much? thats 10,000$ for MySQL... microsofts price???? survey says 0$!! again...

Get it? Now if you are going throw your db away after 1 year, yes you could save 500$, but still for that 500$ extra you get a ton more options and functionality. How about a full Business Intelligence package? And full blown ETL(the best out there)?, security... The list goes on.

Class dismissed...

Actually others have already started forking MySQL... Then you end up with 100 different database open source projects... How does that end up? MySQL was about money, it sold out for a billion. It will sell out again and yes the supporters or MySQL get stuck holding the stick... support fades, bugs dont get fixed, security holes stay open.

Hmm wait a minute.. first of all MySQL is only free to "open source" projects. Are for profit web sites "open source" projects? I was looking at the eula and it looks like many people should not be using the free mysql...

if you want truly free just use SQL Server Express 2008 R2.... free from Microsoft and runs circles around mysql... you don't get the free ETL though.

[Alan92RTTT]

Mike I know its just grates on the MS Fanboi mentality but most of the MySql community does not need/want oracles support. They could charge $5000 for it and it really won't matter to the users. The ease of use and administration is one of the key features.

Their is a reason the LAMP architecture is running more of the websites on the net. Is the Oracle owned MySql becomes cost prohibitive a new one will rise to take its place.

[Mikes2nd]

the fact is your wrong Linux fanboi...

yes there will always be people expecting good software to cost 0$. If you want better admin and ease of use go get SQL Server Express2008 (its COMPLETELY free)... And you get Business Intel and a ton of other great options and MySQL can't even try to compare.

http://www.microsoft.com/express/Database/ its limitation is 10 gigabytes per database(but can have a ton of DB's).

But if you are using MySQL in a "commercial" setting you should be paying 2k a year or your breaking the argreement with Oracle(aka stealing software)...

I didnt realize it, so I guess MySQL already isn't really free unless you are working on and open source solution.

the purpose of this post was to show Oracle will kill the whole "omg its free" thinking. And yes I realize the main MySQL guys already quit and are forking(they will simply sell the thing off again once they get rolling I guess...).

[Alan92RTTT]

Talk to me when Sql server is cross platform.

[prop7459]

Talk to me when Sql server is cross platform.

Thank you Alan, I couldn't said it better myself. Phone support are for companies who don't have seasoned DB Admin. By the time you get to someone on the phone and go through all the levels of technicians, you are better off searching tech forums for a solution.

[DrGonzo]

Even companies that don't have a seasoned DB admin don't need to call in for support. All they need to know is how to search efficiently!

When I worked in online advertising we used nothing but Oracle. We had three DB admins and never once needed to make a call. Not because they knew it all, they just knew where to look and who to talk to online.

Now I am working at a different company where I am hands on in the data everyday through SQL Server 2000,2005,2008 so on. I am not a DB Admin. We don't have DB admins as all of our software and DB's are on our clients servers. So if I get stuck I don't call support. I start searching online.........

[skyrunner]

But if you are using MySQL in a "commercial" setting you should be paying 2k a year or your breaking the argreement with Oracle(aka stealing software)...

Ahh, another misunderstanding being propagated. You only need to use the proprietary version if you are 1) not going to abide by the terms of the GPL (i.e. essentially allow redistribution of your code and make the source available at the same cost as the binaries) and 2) you are going to link against the MySQL libraries. Therefore, simply utilizing the database as it was intended to be used does not constitute a need to purchase the commercial "proprietary" version. Connecting to a database and issuing SQL statements is not considered a "link", it is a use. Try to understand this before spreading anymore falsehoods.

Besides I just don't see what you are so bent out of shape about? I have seen a few of your threads concerning OSS and I just cannot understand why you care. You don't have to use it, and for those of us who do, if this really did cause a problem (which it won't. At least for awhile... -- I do agree with you about Oracle's motives), Alan is right, another option will emerge. Postgres is a very viable option and competitor to MySQL as it is. I can see people simply moving over to that side of the fence.

Oh and SQL Server Express? I hardly call a limit of 16 databases useful: "The maximum limit to the number of SQL Server Express instances is 16 on the same machine. These instances must be uniquely named for the purpose of identifying them." http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...sseover_topic4

If you were right and OSS sucks so bad, no one would use it. But Microsoft's products do not fit everyone's needs in every situation, and OSS fills that gap. In certain situations, it is better to use OSS, in certain situations it is not. Could it be that MS fanbois complain so loudly about OSS because they feel threatened? Hmm...

Quit your bitching and stick with your MS solution, and I'll stick with OSS.

[Mikes2nd]

of course people will look at free solutions, so a "free" db will always interest people. You should.

MS Sql is so cheap and does so much more than OSS and Windows servers are much more managable than unix boxes and have 100x the functionality...

I guess no one uses Windows Server right? So thats why I use MS SQL, I can get stuff done way faster with MS tools plain and simple. I can kick OSS's butt.

Time is money to me, if I wanted to be 1/2 productive I would use some pita system like oracle on a unix box or an OSS solution... You will have more work ongoing keeping oss running. I can set alerts on my OS and DB's and never have to worry, I can manage tons of servers, want virtual servers? Thats built in. I dont have to spend 10k on vmware... Microsoft solutions are cheap and complete.

Desktops? Are windows boxes... PERIOD, guess what plays best? Windows Server.

But again the point of this POST is about how one OSS for db's are going away slowly... So get ready for less support for the free editions Hopefully they don't pull patches on you When you have to switch its going to cost you TIME and lots of it... People think free is free, with IT your time is never free.

[a2j]

windoze? they run good when they fresh.. sometimes. most of the times there are always dump problems with it. that is why we are moving towards linux. my linux servers go down only for a hardware maintenance/repair. windoze boxes need to be rebooted every single day. lol

PS: even microsoft server 1000000 page book says that "and sometimes it might not work" or something similar to that. what a joke.

[Mikes2nd]

rofl run Windows 98 as your server and you might run into that problem... oh and welcome to 1998... if your rebooting daily you are brain dead and should not be let anywhere near a computer... I laugh when i hear admins say that, I think "here is a guy who should not be in IT as he can't even get a server running correctly"...

Its a tribute to your IT skills I guess.