Bitching about a 4g in a 3000GT

[HilbillyHomeboy]

AdamVR4's car is in the 34xx range IIRC. His car is far from gutted. I had mine down near that, and that's with a 200 lb mild steel cage and aftermarket seats that ended up weighing as much as the stockers. Weighed on a certified scale. I had no a/c, no carpet, gutted hatch (but added a custom firewall where the cargo cover would normally be), no radio, no speakers, fg hood, 17lb wheels, cfds, no sunvisors (lol), cut off all the useless brackets. Still had ecs, abs, aws, all interior panels, all power accessories (doors, windows, etc.), stock dash. No swiss cheesing anywhere.

Jeremy

[whitedragon]

AdamVR4's car is in the 34xx range IIRC. His car is far from gutted. I had mine down near that, and that's with a 200 lb mild steel cage and aftermarket seats that ended up weighing as much as the stockers. Weighed on a certified scale. I had no a/c, no carpet, gutted hatch (but added a custom firewall where the cargo cover would normally be), no radio, no speakers, fg hood, 17lb wheels, cfds, no sunvisors (lol), cut off all the useless brackets. Still had ecs, abs, aws, all interior panels, all power accessories (doors, windows, etc.), stock dash. No swiss cheesing anywhere.

Jeremy

You guys must have all lucked out. In STL, our cars are all heavy. Maybe that extra 200 lbs difference we seem to have is all the pent up frustration and sorrow our cars have from putting crappy numbers down on Premiere Tuning's Dyno.

[Greg E]

You guys must have all lucked out. In STL, our cars are all heavy. Maybe that extra 200 lbs difference we seem to have is all the pent up frustration and sorrow our cars have from putting crappy numbers down on Premiere Tuning's Dyno.

The elevation is lower in St Louis. There's more gravity because you're closer to earths core. That's why your cars weigh more.

[familyMAN]

Should I just remerge the threads now that the bitching is over?

Works for me. I'm answering questions in both threads anyway. And we have good and related discussion in both. But doesn't really matter either way.

[sketch]

The elevation is lower in St Louis. There's more gravity because you're closer to earths core. That's why your cars weigh more.

alright, my time to shine.

**geek glasses**
actually, being closer to the earth's core would result in weighing less. with less matter between you and the center there is less gravity created. higher altitude, more matter, more gravity.

FACT.

**removes glasses**

[95gto]

95gto what have you done for weight reduction?

I'm at 3660 with stock wheels, stock DS, stock seats and full interior/AC/PS/Sound Deadning/Crash Bars and 1/4 tank gas

My list includes:
coilovers
lighter wheels (FN01C's)
abs delete
cf hood
Wilwood front brakes
carbon/kevlar driver's seat (power rails though so only about half the typical weight savings from stock)
Full ss exhaust (ATR catback)
Front crash bar delete
And various small things like adjustable toe arms, EK2 mounts, vac reduction (lines, solenoids, reservoir, charcoal canister), antenna delete, and a number of unused brackets on the motor.

Sources of weight increase:
MMS splitter ~30lbs
Custom Stereo Install <75lbs (this includes equipment and sub box)

I would wager that with a CF hatch and lexan rear windshield the 3300lb target can be met, but for a typical 3/S with nearly complete interior and ac it will be quite tough. The major concern will be making an already iffy weight distribution worse by taking lots off the back and not a lot off the front. I don't remove my spare tire or stereo equipment for autocross due to it improving my distribution.

Chris may be on the right track with the measurement device being the culprit. I want to say that when we corner balanced Scott Johnson's car that it weighed more than what it showed when he was on a certified CAT scale. And since Chris's scales weren't the first ones I used I don't think the race scales are the ones that are off.

[TurboSinceBirth]

My list includes:
coilovers
lighter wheels (FN01C's)
abs delete
cf hood
Wilwood front brakes
carbon/kevlar driver's seat (power rails though so only about half the typical weight savings from stock)
Full ss exhaust (ATR catback)
Front crash bar delete
And various small things like adjustable toe arms, EK2 mounts, vac reduction (lines, solenoids, reservoir, charcoal canister), antenna delete, and a number of unused brackets on the motor.

Sources of weight increase:
MMS splitter ~30lbs
Custom Stereo Install <75lbs (this includes equipment and sub box)

I would wager that with a CF hatch and lexan rear windshield the 3300lb target can be met, but for a typical 3/S with nearly complete interior and ac it will be quite tough. The major concern will be making an already iffy weight distribution worse by taking lots off the back and not a lot off the front. I don't remove my spare tire or stereo equipment for autocross due to it improving my distribution.

Chris may be on the right track with the measurement device being the culprit. I want to say that when we corner balanced Scott Johnson's car that it weighed more than what it showed when he was on a certified CAT scale. And since Chris's scales weren't the first ones I used I don't think the race scales are the ones that are off.

I have about that many deletes and weight reductions done. My car weights just under 3400 without me in it according to the tech scales at an NHRA track. I still have plenty left to do if I wanted most of which being chopping away with small weight reductions but outside of no A/C or cruise control my car is full luxury. 95 and 96 Stealths didn't have most of the tech from earlier years or 3000GTs so that also helps.

[NOMIEZVR4]

I weighed my car at a local metal scrapyard. My brothers Mustang was also weighed...if I add up all the stuff that's been removed from the car, it comes out to about ~100lbs. Which makes my weight number of 3660 realistic.

A Hood, Aftermarket Seats, Wheels and AWS Delete should knock off another 120-150ish lbs, right?

[HilbillyHomeboy]

You guys must have all lucked out. In STL, our cars are all heavy. Maybe that extra 200 lbs difference we seem to have is all the pent up frustration and sorrow our cars have from putting crappy numbers down on Premiere Tuning's Dyno.

My list includes:
coilovers
lighter wheels (FN01C's)
abs delete
cf hood
Wilwood front brakes
carbon/kevlar driver's seat (power rails though so only about half the typical weight savings from stock)
Full ss exhaust (ATR catback)
Front crash bar delete
And various small things like adjustable toe arms, EK2 mounts, vac reduction (lines, solenoids, reservoir, charcoal canister), antenna delete, and a number of unused brackets on the motor.

Sources of weight increase:
MMS splitter ~30lbs
Custom Stereo Install <75lbs (this includes equipment and sub box)

I would wager that with a CF hatch and lexan rear windshield the 3300lb target can be met, but for a typical 3/S with nearly complete interior and ac it will be quite tough. The major concern will be making an already iffy weight distribution worse by taking lots off the back and not a lot off the front. I don't remove my spare tire or stereo equipment for autocross due to it improving my distribution.

Chris may be on the right track with the measurement device being the culprit. I want to say that when we corner balanced Scott Johnson's car that it weighed more than what it showed when he was on a certified CAT scale. And since Chris's scales weren't the first ones I used I don't think the race scales are the ones that are off.

I have about that many deletes and weight reductions done. My car weights just under 3400 without me in it according to the tech scales at an NHRA track. I still have plenty left to do if I wanted most of which being chopping away with small weight reductions but outside of no A/C or cruise control my car is full luxury. 95 and 96 Stealths didn't have most of the tech from earlier years or 3000GTs so that also helps.

Don't know what to tell you Mr. Dragon.

Jeremy

[donniekak]

I think my straight 3" exhaust with no muffler weighed about 20-30lbs total. Also no sound damping material under the carpet, those stupid engine stay brackets, gone. Maximal solid mounts, non sunroof car. It all adds up. Or should I say, subtracts down?

I'm already working on another build, for another stealth. Same story, gutted shell to start with. This time I'm going to add a carbon fiber hood, and abs delete into the mix. I'll shoot for 3300 even, with ac.