Classified Verification Overkill

[stealthee]

You guys have to pretend the other site never existed. When they started their verification process no one really knew of who the bad sellers were for the most part. All the verification is is providing information so that the seller can be held resonsible if they try to screw someone over, ie provides information to forward to authorities if it has to go that far.

No sale is ever guaranteed to go right, no matter where it takes place. You could meet someone face to face and they could still screw you over.

[Alan92RTTT]

Hate to say it, but, I agree 100%. The 'verification' has zero teeth for preventing any sale going bad while using verbage that makes it 'seem' otherwise. Falsely sense of some security or assurance that actually means zip legally.

Rather ridiculous IMO.

And over-restrictive yet allows known bad sellers to participate here. Great combination.

Its not supposed to have "teeth" its to verify contact information and hopefully open a way to contact a seller if their is an issue.

People have the option of being verified or not.

If you don't want to go through the verification process you can opt into the "not-verified" group to sell.

If you do not want to go through the verification process and don't wan to opt-into the "not verified" group you can wait till I have the time to see if I can hook up an address verification via paypal.

[cjbyron]

You guys have to pretend the other site never existed.

Actually no we don't. Nor does anyone. Why pretend what is universally known.
And it isn't all about "the other site". There is also paypal verification and many other variables.

All the verification is is providing information so that the seller can be held resonsible if they try to screw someone over, ie provides information to forward to authorities if it has to go that far.

This site cannot "hold anyone responsible". All it can do is ban or allow. There is zero legal standing with a third party claiming to have received proof of identity over the internet. This site keep all the logs and ID coupled with the server owner affidavits on such data? Of course not. And over 90% of any 'bad sales' are not about false ID anyway right? Product misrepresentation or not as advertised is the top of selling problems. So being a "verified" seller does nothing to prevent that.

Being "verified" seller implies that they are somehow vetted as a good seller. That is the implication. And falsely so.

No sale is ever guaranteed to go right, no matter where it takes place. You could meet someone face to face and they could still screw you over.

That's why there are rules, with teeth, based with the people that transfer the money (ie. paypal, CC comp.) or written (legal) contracts if face-to-face or otherwise.


Alan - yes , having someone paypal verified would actually then mean something verifiable. Unlike how it is now. Participating as 'non-verified' certainly comes with negative stigma. I understand what you are attempting to accomplish. At the same time I agree with the other assessment of the implicatications and how they are inaccurate as it stands currently. Therefore I agreed with his statement.

[stealthee]

Being "verified" seller implies that they are somehow vetted as a good seller.

I do not agree with that. Being verified means your information is retained and if you screw someone over that information can be used to recoup losses.

[cjbyron]

I do not agree with that. Being verified means your information is retained and if you screw someone over that information can be used to recoup losses.

First of all, look up what the word means. Verified by its nature does indeed imply a form of vetting, of facts and based upon some 'verifiable' process. It is misleading to the actual level of proof or evidence obtained.

There is nothing verifiable in an image sent via the internet that proves anything with someone's ID. All it does is expose the honest people to misuse of their personal information whilest making it very easy for someone to cheat the system.

Now if it said "approved" or something like that then it would be closer to representing the facts. Approved under the system in place here.

You keep thinking it allows for some form of legal "recoup of losses", etc. It doesn't at all. At best it gives info for the buyer to contact via phone or address. That's it. Nothing legal whatsoever. Fact. Period. Well, if the info is real, lol. Images are pretty easy to fake and manipulate. Again, false sense of security here.

Of course any site can do whatever it wants to. But just my opinion that it shouldn't imply or mislead with things like 'verified seller' which solely means some image was sent over the internet and the info was never verified (meaning - vetted,,,,,proved to be truthful).

In all actuality a very simple concept that seems difficult for some to grasp.

[stealthee]

Verified here means verified information. The information is verified because there is two forms of it. Nothing else is implied.

[cjbyron]

LOL. okay, whatever. The english language has altered meaning here.

[stealthee]

No, you're just reading more into it than what needs to be read into it. There was no argument over 3si's "verified" program which had no forms of verification, yet there is a bitchfest here over the verbage? It doesn't make sense.

[cjbyron]

No, you're just reading more into it than what needs to be read into it. There was no argument over 3si's "verified" program which had no forms of verification, yet there is a bitchfest here over the verbage? It doesn't make sense.

You guys have to pretend the other site never existed.

^ LOL.

I don't recall 3si having big colorful icons saying verified or anything. Maybe I missed that.
And it had 'verification' commensurate to what was involved.

Anyway,,,,,bitchfest? Because there isn't universal agreement or a differing point of view based upon verbage vs. reality? A differeing point of view or conceding errors doesn't always have to sink to arguments. Unless someone continues that stance.

[Alan92RTTT]

The process for "verification" public. Its up to each person to decide what that means to them.

Even a paypal based address verification system provides no since of security. All it means is their is a checking account on the other end of the paypal account. Ad drkgreenvr4 proved that won't stop you from scamming member of over $10,000.

Verified means nothing more than you provided something that means the address we have is more than one copied from a phone book.