19T + e85 too much for stock bottom?

[familyMAN]

Valvoline VR1 20w-50? Valvoline advertises that oil as "Not Street Legal" for a reason. Unless you're revving to the moon and cavitating your oil there's no need for an oil package like that on a street car. There's 0 startup protection and so much zinc and phosphorous in it you'll burn up your cat...

Valvoline.com > Products > Motor Oil > Racing Motor Oil > Valvoline® Specialty Racing Oil ("Not Street Legal")

High zinc oils are recommended by turbo manufacturers.

Zero startup protection??

[J. Fast]

High zinc oils are recommended by turbo manufacturers.

Zero startup protection??

You do realize excessive amounts of sulfur, phosphorous, ZDP, and so forth accelerate engine wear once they've reached the cumulative limit and they only afford protection in certain temperature windows? The reason why this particular oil is advertised "for racing use only" is because one using this blend of oil should expect their engine to be broken down more frequently due to the chemical impacts of the oil package and the metals in the rotating assembly. The protective package for this oil is for high heat. At a lower temperature it affords little to no protection. Valvoline specifies use in race applications which involve frequent engine disassembly for that reason. Unless you're driving around at wot all the time and plan on pulling your oil pan every 30K I wouldn't use it.

Valvoline VR20w-50 is because racecar oil.

For another thread...

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

You do realize excessive amounts of sulfur, phosphorous, ZDP, and so forth accelerate engine wear once they've reached the cumulative limit and they only afford protection in certain temperature windows? The reason why this particular oil is advertised "for racing use only" is because one using this blend of oil should expect their engine to be broken down more frequently due to the chemical impacts of the oil package and the metals in the rotating assembly. The protective package for this oil is for high heat. At a lower temperature it affords little to no protection. Valvoline specifies use in race applications which involve frequent engine disassembly for that reason. Unless you're driving around at wot all the time and plan on pulling your oil pan every 30K I wouldn't use it.

Valvoline VR20w-50 is because racecar oil.

For another thread...

Did you not look at the links I sent? They are not the "offroad only" oils. That is a separate animal.

"
Valvoline VR-1 racing motor oils are recommended for engines burring gasoline and full or partial alcohol fuels in track and street service
Use in any car, light truck, van or SUV where API SN is recommended
ZDDP additive provides tough anti-wear protection
Enhanced with friction modifier to improve horsepower
Formulated with enhanced anti-foam system
"

[J. Fast]

Did you not look at the links I sent? They are not the "offroad only" oils. That is a separate animal.

"
Valvoline VR-1 racing motor oils are recommended for engines burring gasoline and full or partial alcohol fuels in track and street service
Use in any car, light truck, van or SUV where API SN is recommended
ZDDP additive provides tough anti-wear protection
Enhanced with friction modifier to improve horsepower
Formulated with enhanced anti-foam system
"

I read the amazon advertisement you linked in. You should read the one from the manufacture, I posted it. At 35 degrees F ambient the viscosity of VR-1 20w-50 is over 1200cSt, which is equivalent to sucking jello thru a straw. At 70 degrees it's basically lifts as easily as trying to sip a milkshake with a coffee stirrer. I have two final words regarding that... Kinematic Viscosity. That oil offers nothing for protection until it reaches an operating temperature of 120+ degrees. It's for setups where you very rarely turn your engine off and where weather is always warm.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I read the amazon advertisement you linked in. You should read the one from the manufacture, I posted it. At 35 degrees F ambient the viscosity of VR-1 20w-50 is over 1200cSt, which is equivalent to sucking jello thru a straw. At 70 degrees it's basically lifts as easily as trying to sip a milkshake with a coffee stirrer. I have two final words regarding that... Kinematic Viscosity. That oil offers nothing for protection until it reaches an operating temperature of 120+ degrees. It's for setups where you very rarely turn your engine off and where weather is always warm.

IT IS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT:

Valvoline.com > Products > Motor Oil > Racing Motor Oil > Valvoline® Specialty Racing Oil ("Not Street Legal")

NOTICED EVEN VALVOLINE HAS A PAGE FOR THE VR1 NON RACE ONLY:

Valvoline.com > Products > Motor Oil > Racing Motor Oil > VR1 Racing Oil (VR1)

WHEN YOU HAVE BUILT MORE ENGINES THAN PAMPENA MOTORSPORTS GET BACK TO ME.

[kywhitelightning]

and where the weather is always warm.

This would be my main criteria for running high viscosity oil. Well, that and a loose engine. Most people I see run higher viscosity to band aid the real problem, worn bearings/tired oil pump. Recommending that viscosity on a new engine would tell me its probably on the loose side of things on purpose. In Forrests case, I would go with the builder's recommendations. If an engine is set up at manufacturers specifications, use the oe recommended oil.

Jeff

[CoopKill]

I read the amazon advertisement you linked in. You should read the one from the manufacture, I posted it. At 35 degrees F ambient the viscosity of VR-1 20w-50 is over 1200cSt, which is equivalent to sucking jello thru a straw. At 70 degrees it's basically lifts as easily as trying to sip a milkshake with a coffee stirrer. I have two final words regarding that... Kinematic Viscosity. That oil offers nothing for protection until it reaches an operating temperature of 120+ degrees. It's for setups where you very rarely turn your engine off and where weather is always warm.

Something about this post was bugging me, and I did not figure out what till now.

Viscosity ratings are an industry standard. You sir are full of shit with that statement. 20w-50 is a Winter blend where it is measured in low temps at the lower viscosity number.

Where are you pulling these jello/milkshake consistencies from?

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[familyMAN]

You do realize excessive amounts of sulfur, phosphorous, ZDP, and so forth accelerate engine wear once they've reached the cumulative limit and they only afford protection in certain temperature windows? The reason why this particular oil is advertised "for racing use only" is because one using this blend of oil should expect their engine to be broken down more frequently due to the chemical impacts of the oil package and the metals in the rotating assembly. The protective package for this oil is for high heat. At a lower temperature it affords little to no protection. Valvoline specifies use in race applications which involve frequent engine disassembly for that reason. Unless you're driving around at wot all the time and plan on pulling your oil pan every 30K I wouldn't use it.

Valvoline VR20w-50 is because racecar oil.

For another thread...

Cool. So exactly how I drive my car....wide f'n open.....no cats, turbos almost maxed....sounds like the right oil for me. Thanks.

DR750 build at greater than 125hp per cylinder (crank), not because racecar??

Edit: I'll say again...it's offered in 10w30 as well.