Gauging interest in custom sidemount intercoolers w/9.75" x 11.75" x 4.5" Bell Cores

[mb7050]

i just based my pricing on what you said before if you had sticked to that pricing these would have cost about 650$..

[whitedragon]

Do you have a car to jig from?

I guess that would be necessary eh?

Hmm. I'll look into it. Those look like they would work well. It's still an $850 item if they don't have a prefabbed end tank. In order to bring the cost down for the they need to be cut from a big sheet and optimized for waste. I'm not willing to fund it, not that I can't, but I don't need smic's. I don't have anything to test them on.

Do you have a car to jig from?

[Ange]

sorry but i dont see how they can be an 850 $ item more like 650$ item

Idk about that. Cost will add up when you think about it.

cores: 410$ + shipping ~100$ =510$
endtank alu sheet: ~10$
piping: ~30$
=~550$

just for material alone. then there is welding equipment and labour.

so unless you can get some bulk discount from threadstone then I dont see 650 being worth doing it.

[J. Fast]

I guess that would be necessary eh?



Do you have a car to jig from?

You mis-read. I have a car to jig from.. I don't have a stock intercooler piped car to test on a dyno. I have no desire or need for SMIC'S. I can build them, I just can't test them.

[J. Fast]

To all those "experts". This is what it will cost... If you disagree... Tell me why? If you can find a repeatable reliable vendor priced cheaper get me the info and I'll update the table and we'll adjust the cost. If you guys want to drive down the numbers it might work if you can find better pricing

Materials (tax and shipping included)	Quantity	Price Ea.	Total
6061 Al for end tank	1	$45	$45
2 1/8" drill bit	1	$17	$17
Wire	1	$3	$3
Gas	1	$2	$2
Cutting wheels	2	$3	$6
Scotchbrite pad	1	$1	$1
Sanding disc	1	$4	$4
2" aluminum tube	3	$9	$27
2" aluminum 90	2	$27	$54
2" aluminum u-bend	2	$29	$58
2" aluminum 45	1	$27	$27
Bar and Plate cores	2	$215	$430
Labor	1	$125	$125
Logistics/Burden/Power/Design	1	$50	$50
Total			$839

The ends tank material is a 12"x36" sheet of 1/8" 6061 aluminum which can be used for all four end tanks with minimal waste. The only thing that gets less expensive based on order quantity is sundries (drill bits, sanding discs, cutting accessories, and so forth). That's why I won't fill an order for just one set. The economy of scale does not work for 1 set. I don't know about you guys but do you think you could build just one set in a half day? Cuts, prep, welding, fitment...? Hell no! But you can build 5 sets in 2 days if you cut and prep all of them at the same time.

The tanks... this is their cut sheet based on the measurements of the cheaper cores mb7050 had suggested.

[Ange]

Try find something cheaper for the piping. That's where your cost runs away. Tried Alibaba? China supplier site.

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They have cores really cheap too. Probably same as cxracing on ebay uses.

not sure if they have 6061 alu though.

[AdamVR4]

Do you have a car to jig from? Can you build a jig... like this? Do you have professional tools and a setup like this?



Adam...



My time, design, talent, and tools are worth something. If you can do it for $650... go ahead.

Adam? Is that not your shop?

You don't even have a car to test these on and you have no interest in smic's. What is the point of this thread?

[mb7050]

im not even looking to buy the piping just intercoolers with end tanks and inlets/outlets and for me the end tank design would have to be a bit more involved than that.

something like this would work for me(of course dimensions to match the trs cores and 2" piping) .

[mb7050]

To all those "experts". This is what it will cost... If you disagree... Tell me why? If you can find a repeatable reliable vendor priced cheaper get me the info and I'll update the table and we'll adjust the cost. If you guys want to drive down the numbers it might work if you can find better pricing

Materials (tax and shipping included)	Quantity	Price Ea.	Total
6061 Al for end tank	1	$45	$45
2 1/8" drill bit	1	$17	$17
Wire	1	$3	$3
Gas	1	$2	$2
Cutting wheels	2	$3	$6
Scotchbrite pad	1	$1	$1
Sanding disc	1	$4	$4
2" aluminum tube	3	$9	$27
2" aluminum 90	2	$27	$54
2" aluminum u-bend	2	$29	$58
2" aluminum 45	1	$27	$27
Bar and Plate cores	2	$215	$430
Labor	1	$125	$125
Logistics/Burden/Power/Design	1	$50	$50
Total			$839

The ends tank material is a 12"x36" sheet of 1/8" 6061 aluminum which can be used for all four end tanks with minimal waste. The only thing that gets less expensive based on order quantity is sundries (drill bits, sanding discs, cutting accessories, and so forth). That's why I won't fill an order for just one set. The economy of scale does not work for 1 set. I don't know about you guys but do you think you could build just one set in a half day? Cuts, prep, welding, fitment...? Hell no! But you can build 5 sets in 2 days if you cut and prep all of them at the same time.

The tanks... this is their cut sheet based on the measurements of the cheaper cores mb7050 had suggested.

so going with the bigger bell 9-75-x-11-75-x-4-5 cores the pricing would have been

Materials (tax and shipping included)	Quantity	Price Ea.	Total
6061 Al for end tank	1	$45	$45
2 1/8" drill bit	1	$17	$17
Wire	1	$3	$3
Gas	1	$2	$2
Cutting wheels	2	$3	$6
Scotchbrite pad	1	$1	$1
Sanding disc	1	$4	$4
2" aluminum tube	3	$9	$27
2" aluminum 90	2	$27	$54
2" aluminum u-bend	2	$29	$58
2" aluminum 45	1	$27	$27
Bar and Plate cores	2	$373	$746
Labor	1	$125	$125
Logistics/Burden/Power/Design	1	$50	$50
Total			$1455

im pretty certain one can get these made at bell intercoolers for less money and top notch end tank design...

[J. Fast]

Adam? Is that not your shop?

You don't even have a car to test these on and you have no interest in smic's. What is the point of this thread?

My street COTM is a front clip and it's setup and done, racecar is single turbo, I do have sandstone, but I have no need for a setup like this and won't waste my dime on dyno time or some stupid elaborate testing for a $100 profit. What's the point of that? Nothing. There's not even money built into the pricing for the jig. Someone else can test them. Building something tangible to fulfill a request is the point.

I can see it's very difficult for many to visualize a part. It's not hard for me. If you tell me what it looks like, can show me an example, draw me a picture, or describe it... I can build it. That's just how I'm wired.

im not even looking to buy the piping just intercoolers with end tanks and inlets/outlets and for me the end tank design would have to be a bit more involved than that.

Why do they need to be more involved than that? You're making it harder than it needs to be. You ever seen Gene's sidemounts? I have... the design is very very similar. I'm not interested in end tank variations. I want to keep it simple. They should bolt on to stock... and require as little extra work and fitting as possible.