Mike Vick interview with former coach Jim Mora

[mike92stealthtt]

I'm a huge Eagles fan and welcomed Vick with open arms last year. I still thought he might be conning people but didn't care that much because he would be a great asset to our football team. After the time he has spent here and this interview I may be changing my mind on whether Vick has truly changed as a person.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d..._headlines2col

Do you guys buy Vick as being sincere or do you think he's just saying the right things? I don't condone what he has done in the past but I believe he has payed his dues and deserves a 2nd chance.

[stealthee]

I'll click the link later, but I will offer my opinion on Vick for the time being.

I have been a Vick fan since his days at Va Tech. Even though he was on an arch rival team I still rooted for him as a player. What he did was wrong, but he didn't hurt people, so its not as bad as some make it out to be. He was sentenced, he served his time, hes allowed to reenter the workforce.

As far as changing, I do beleive he has changed. He knows his carreer depends on that change to be made.

[onebadmollafolla]

Screw Vick. I believe he did his service of time but I have a severe hate for those that support/perform animal cruelty. I've said it before, he could drive his car into a deep river and I wouldn't break stride.

[stealthee]

Animals are not humans and should not be held on the same level as humans.

[onebadmollafolla]

Animals are not humans and should not be held on the same level as humans.

Agreed.

[Telionis]

Animals are not humans and should not be held on the same level as humans.

I hereby promote you to the rank of OF-2, congratulations, Major Obvious!!!

If he had electrocuted, drowned and beaten to death half a dozen people he would have been executed, become so infamous that his name would be as well known as Dahmer's, and then Lifetime would make a TV movie about his life starring Aldis Hodge (Leverage FTW). Instead he got a whole 21 months imprisonment, and most of that was due to the Federal "interstate commerce" charges.

Has anyone challenged the aforementioned sentiment in a manner that made you feel obligated to post this seemingly undisputed statement? Also, do you have any Grey Poupon?

I think you'll be hard pressed to find any human that thinks that other animals are of equal "worth" as humans; but this does not mean that they have no worth. We Hokie fans owe him a lot, but what he did was unconscionably cruel and disgusting; IMHO he deserved much more than 21 months. That being said, if society decided he has paid his debt, let him play ball.
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As for being sincerely reformed? With regards to knowing better than to do something stupid to destroy his career, certainly. I doubt he'll let himself get in that much trouble again. As for caring about animals, I doubt it very much. Nobody changes so drastically. I remember reading that some animal group did a post prison interview with him and gave him a quiz to determine his empathy towards animals. He did well, but his results were supposedly indicative of someone who was just trying to say the right things.

It really doesn't matter though. As long as he doesn't break the law again, who cares what he thinks?
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Side note. What pisses me off is how famous and wealthy MV1 (and other thug players) became, while Bryan Randall remains in the minor leagues. Vick is a thug, and a brawler, with admittedly great talent. Randall had 95% of that running talent, seemed more accurate in the pass, and was in graduate school when he took us to the Sugar Bowl. (He got a Master's in Sociology before leaving VT). He also spent all his summers in LA with some program that gets famous college athletes to meet kids and convince them to stay in school and away from drugs, etc. Isn't it a great society we live in where an extra 5% skill is far more important that someone's character and responsibility...

[onebadmollafolla]

I hereby promote you to the rank of OF-2, congratulations, Major Obvious!!!

If he had electrocuted, drowned and beaten to death half a dozen people he would have been executed, become so infamous that his name would be as well known as Dahmer's, and then Lifetime would make a TV movie about his life starring Aldis Hodge (Leverage FTW). Instead he got a whole 21 months imprisonment, and most of that was due to the Federal "interstate commerce" charges.

Has anyone challenged the aforementioned sentiment in a manner that made you feel obligated to post this seemingly undisputed statement? Also, do you have any Grey Poupon?

I think you'll be hard pressed to find any human that thinks that other animals are of equal "worth" as humans; but this does not mean that they have no worth. We Hokie fans owe him a lot, but what he did was unconscionably cruel and disgusting; IMHO he deserved much more than 21 months. That being said, if society decided he has paid his debt, let him play ball.
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As for being sincerely reformed? With regards to knowing better than to do something stupid to destroy his career, certainly. I doubt he'll let himself get in that much trouble again. As for caring about animals, I doubt it very much. Nobody changes so drastically. I remember reading that some animal group did a post prison interview with him and gave him a quiz to determine his empathy towards animals. He did well, but his results were supposedly indicative of someone who was just trying to say the right things.

It really doesn't matter though. As long as he doesn't break the law again, who cares what he thinks?
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Side note. What pisses me off is how famous and wealthy MV1 (and other thug players) became, while Bryan Randall remains in the minor leagues. Vick is a thug, and a brawler, with admittedly great talent. Randall had 95% of that running talent, seemed more accurate in the pass, and was in graduate school when he took us to the Sugar Bowl. (He got a Master's in Sociology before leaving VT). He also spent all his summers in LA with some program that gets famous college athletes to meet kids and convince them to stay in school and away from drugs, etc. Isn't it a great society we live in where an extra 5% skill is far more important that someone's character and responsibility...

Thought you'd never make it over.

[AdamVR4]

Thought you'd never make it over.

I think it was the slow college football thread at 3Si that finally tipped him off

[j2k4]

Animals are not humans and should not be held on the same level as humans.

Absolutely true, but I think you create an impression maybe you personally don't intend (correct me if I am wrong).

Animals don't have rights, and cannot be ascribed rights because they are incapable of exercising them on their own behalf.

They depend on humans for such protection as they receive, and, to the extent that any formal protections exist, they only practically apply to pets or endangered species.

All that said, it comes down to one's individual conscience, and this is what mine tells me-

Does Michael Vick deserve another chance?

According to the law and the lawyers who practice it, he does.

Do I agree with the law vis a vis Vick and his offenses?

No, but I abide by it.

Let him play; he has the ability to outrun the humans who chase him around a football field, and draw a huge paycheck from his employers in turn.

I will, however, continue to nurse the hope that one day he'll be faced with the need to outrun a bunch of large, mean dogs, and I hope as well I am there to watch.

Just my 2 cents.

[green-lantern]

He served his time and should be allowed to play. As far as a person I really don't think he has changed much but realizes he can't keep doing stupid shit and play football. I don't really care for the guy but I love to watch him play. I thought he was the smart one of the family but I'm not so sure anymore. His brother could have been something but screwed himself. Stomping on a defenders hand on national television is pretty damn stupid.