The 2013 College Football Thread.

[BigTyla]

Sure does seem a lot like the Cam Newton saga. Lots of he said, she said and no hard evidence.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out, but it sure is curious that all of this is coming out now rather than sooner.

[Echo419]

Sure does seem a lot like the Cam Newton saga. Lots of he said, she said and no hard evidence.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out, but it sure is curious that all of this is coming out now rather than sooner.

isn't there video of him signing footballs and helmets?

[sergechronos]

Signing stuff isn't a crime in and of itself. Getting paid for it is. To my knowledge there's no video or picture evidence of him receiving money yet. Unless he got money and put it in his bank account (which the NCAA would be able to nail him for since unemployed 20 year olds generally don't deposit 7500 bucks at a time) there's not much they can do with that.

[BigTyla]

Signing stuff isn't a crime in and of itself. Getting paid for it is. To my knowledge there's no video or picture evidence of him receiving money yet. Unless he got money and put it in his bank account (which the NCAA would be able to nail him for since unemployed 20 year olds generally don't deposit 7500 bucks at a time) there's not much they can do with that.

Exactly.

Now, there is a bylaw that states that student athletes have to prevent others from profiting off their likeness to the best of their ability, and this may be something he is guilty of, but at this point there is no evidence of money changing hands beyond he said-she said.

The whole situation is a lot more damning than the Newton saga, I'll give you that, but the timing of the news and the circumstances surrounding it sound AWFULLY familiar. Why would these so-called brokers rat him out anyway? They're only jeopardizing their potential future sales now that they are on the NCAA radar. I smell a payout...

[sergechronos]

Exactly.

Now, there is a bylaw that states that student athletes have to prevent others from profiting off their likeness to the best of their ability, and this may be something he is guilty of, but at this point there is no evidence of money changing hands beyond he said-she said.

The whole situation is a lot more damning than the Newton saga, I'll give you that, but the timing of the news and the circumstances surrounding it sound AWFULLY familiar. Why would these so-called brokers rat him out anyway? They're only jeopardizing their potential future sales now that they are on the NCAA radar. I smell a payout...

Mm..Good point about the bylaw. But I don't think that it revokes amateur status unless the person that they are helping profit is giving them kick backs or is related (ie. parents profiting then buying their kid stuff.) Certainly more substantial than the Cam Newton thing for sure, but it seems to me that Manziel is a pawn in the struggle related to revenues and players. I would not be in the least bit surprised to know that one side or the other had employed one of the brokers to get signatures and give money to bring it to the forefront since Manziel is (unfortunately IMO) the face of college football right now.

[Echo419]

Signing stuff isn't a crime in and of itself. Getting paid for it is. To my knowledge there's no video or picture evidence of him receiving money yet. Unless he got money and put it in his bank account (which the NCAA would be able to nail him for since unemployed 20 year olds generally don't deposit 7500 bucks at a time) there's not much they can do with that.

there's is the legit legal aspect of this if in fact it can be proven that he collected the money if it is enough. income taxes.

that being said, I think it's BS they can't do things off season outside of the school to make money. every other student can get a job using their skills to make money hell they can get a job in the field they got thier scholarship in. why can't a player? because it's not "academic" because it is more profitable? or is it so the NCAA can have a monopoly on making the money? the NCAA is so damned corrupt it's sickening.

[AdamVR4]

The whole situation is a lot more damning than the Newton saga, I'll give you that...

I'ma stop you there. Serge never said that and how the hell is a heisman winner making ~$20k off his name more damning than a juco transfer and his dad creating a bidding war for his unproven services to the tune of $100k++? Very objective of you. The only similarity between the situations? The NCAA not having a receipt, haha.

I hope a&m plays him and they curb stomp the SEC. Who cares if they have to vacate wins? NO ONE. Manziel should have every right to sign memorabilia and make some cash. He's the best bet we have to putting a real dent in the ludicrous NCAA.

[Echo419]

I just want to see him play again to see if they can duplicate last seasons success.

[BigTyla]

I'ma stop you there. Serge never said that and how the hell is a heisman winner making ~$20k off his name more damning than a juco transfer and his dad creating a bidding war for his unproven services to the tune of $100k++? Very objective of you. The only similarity between the situations? The NCAA not having a receipt, haha.

I hope a&m plays him and they curb stomp the SEC. Who cares if they have to vacate wins? NO ONE. Manziel should have every right to sign memorabilia and make some cash. He's the best bet we have to putting a real dent in the ludicrous NCAA.

You're smart, Adam, so I leave it to you to figure that out for yourself.

Better yet, I'll explain it for you anyway. Cecil never made money off the bidding war. Manziel, if the rumors are true, did. I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference, Adam. Whether your moral code agrees with it is irrelevant. Making money off the system in any way, shape, or form affects one's amateur status.

If they never find a paper trail for Manziel, the cases will both end up the same way.

Whether one should be allowed to sign memorabilia for cash is an entirely different conversation.

And for the record, I too hope he gets to play and runs the table on the SEC. But they lost a lot and it'll be a tough going.

[AdamVR4]

How on earth are you certain cecil didnt profit?