The old dudes have still got it....

[RealMcCoy]

MTV sell-outs...

I disagree... I think they've had their ups and downs, some stuff better than others, but they have a pretty simple formula that hasn't changed all that much over the years... I view them as MTV era survivors, not sell outs. MTV was the worst thing that ever happened to the music industry. Any band that made it through that era profitably, without going down in flames with the hair bands, did something right...

[IPD]

I disagree... I think they've had their ups and downs, some stuff better than others, but they have a pretty simple formula that hasn't changed all that much over the years... I view them as MTV era survivors, not sell outs. MTV was the worst thing that ever happened to the music industry. Any band that made it through that era profitably, without going down in flames with the hair bands, did something right...

wholeheartedly disagree. and the reason for the decline of MUSIC VIDEOS is because of the lack of quality being made--probably because the fucking RIAA is more concerned with quantity over quality.

no fucking way someone can watch a peter gabriel video and think that MTV was a bad thing. or watch thriller. etc.

[RealMcCoy]

wholeheartedly disagree. and the reason for the decline of MUSIC VIDEOS is because of the lack of quality being made--probably because the fucking RIAA is more concerned with quantity over quality.

no fucking way someone can watch a peter gabriel video and think that MTV was a bad thing. or watch thriller. etc.

I have no argument that a well made video is enjoyable to watch.... My issue with MTV and the entire music industry at the time was that it was ALL about the look... Talent had little to no bearing on who got played. It was all about the visuals. For every Michael Jackson there was 27 Culture Club's, Flock of Seagulls, Men Without Hats, and countless hair bands with zero talent, but a record producer supplied image...

[IPD]

for ever insinuating that david coverdale, mark knopfler, dee snyder, dio, sammy hagar, ted nugent, joe elliott, etc....have zero talent, i owe you a swaffling if we ever meet.

[RealMcCoy]

for ever insinuating that david coverdale, mark knopfler, dee snyder, dio, sammy hagar, ted nugent, joe elliott, etc....have zero talent, i owe you a swaffling if we ever meet.

Are you putting words in my mouth just for something to argue about....?

For the most part, you just listed off a bunch of artists that are true rockers, that predated MTV... My point is, to MTV, and a large majority of the zombie viewers of the time, talent meant nothing... It was all about the image. The typical conversation at the time was not: " Have your heard XXXX's new song?" it was: "Have you seen XXXX's new video..?"

You say I insinuated those great artists had no talent, then YOU lump them in with memorable bands like Autograph, Warrant, Slaughter, Stryper, Ratt, White lion..., need I go on? The list is endless...

I could take it a step further, and make a case that MTV killed the careers of some pretty talented artists, when they got caught in the fall from grace of the hair band....

[IPD]

Are you putting words in my mouth just for something to argue about....?

For the most part, you just listed off a bunch of artists that are true rockers, that predated MTV... My point is, to MTV, and a large majority of the zombie viewers of the time, talent meant nothing... It was all about the image. The typical conversation at the time was not: " Have your heard XXXX's new song?" it was: "Have you seen XXXX's new video..?"

You say I insinuated those great artists had no talent, then YOU lump them in with memorable bands like Autograph, Warrant, Slaughter, Stryper, Ratt, White lion..., need I go on? The list is endless...

I could take it a step further, and make a case that MTV killed the careers of some pretty talented artists, when they got caught in the fall from grace of the hair band....

i don't resent hair-bands. i resent the backlash against hair-bands that unleashed the likes of pearl-jam upon the world.

p.s.

stryper is a guilty pleasure. sue me.

[j2k4]

ZZ Top is a hair band, too, lest we forget; it's just that their hair is on the bottoms of their heads.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

ZZtop, MTV sell-outs? LMAO, do you even realize how many of their (huge) songs are re-makes? If you wish to label them as such, you need to look back a helluva lot further than MTV.

Like Real McCoy said, I don't view them as sell outs in any fashion. Anyone that can still be doing the same thing for 30+ years, and it still sounds cool, is far from anything resembling a sell out. In fact, that would, by definition, make them the antithesis of a sell-out.

Jeremy

[RealMcCoy]

ZZtop, MTV sell-outs? LMAO, do you even realize how many of their (huge) songs are re-makes? If you wish to label them as such, you need to look back a helluva lot further than MTV.

Like Real McCoy said, I don't view them as sell outs in any fashion. Anyone that can still be doing the same thing for 30+ years, and it still sounds cool, is far from anything resembling a sell out. In fact, that would, by definition, make them the antithesis of a sell-out.

Jeremy

If I'm not mistaken, this new song is a remake of a rap song... I don't listen to rap, but that's what I've heard.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Probably is. Like I said, they've carved themselves quite a niche, over the years, re-making songs to their style.

Jeremy