It's draft day!! Figured to be a good time to start up this season's discussion.
What are we looking at for our team's drafts tonight?
Belichick trades away one of the first two picks for at least 2 in the lower rounds.
Andrew Luck to the Colts?
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It's draft day!! Figured to be a good time to start up this season's discussion.
What are we looking at for our team's drafts tonight?
Belichick trades away one of the first two picks for at least 2 in the lower rounds.
Andrew Luck to the Colts?
Looking forward to it! Either way, I'm sure it will be another year of the way overrated QB, Vince Young being in the spotlight.
As a lifetime Skins fan, I'm excited to see RGIII in burgundy and gold. The real question is what can we get in the 3rd round? The team has needs at RT and safety, so I'm hoping for one of the top 3 at those positions to still be there when they pick on Saturday.
How about the Vikings at #3? Do they trade, or make a pick? That'll be the first unknown of the night.
Well that's not how I expected the sentence to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebadmollafolla
a) VY is over rated? lulz
b) he's in the spotlight annually on draft day? lulz
c) I think you meant to say "Tannehill"
I just wanted to get a rise out of you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
I'm too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebadmollafolla
KC needs a bruiser blocking back. Hoping to get it. Also need a couple good linemen.
Jeremy
Justin Blackmon is going to go to waste in Jacksonville.
i'm just glad indy will have a good replacement for manning.
Browns throw Colt under the bus...
I just don't understand how you look at that offense and say that the QB is the problem... But there's a reason that all Cleveland has done is chew up and spit out QB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikes2nd
I hope Weeden wins the job so Colt can go somewhere else.
B12 produced 3 of the 4 QB's taken in the first round... They better start panning out.
Back to your rantings talk, Adam. CBS sports gave the Browns pick of Weeden an F. Absurd.
Personally, I think Colt is a touch on the short/small side. I don't think he'll make it as the #1, on any team. Sorry. :(
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
He was too short to be the man at Texas, too, but beat 6'3" Jevan Snead for the job. Garrett Gilbert was 6'4" and it didn't mean shit for him because he's got terrible mechanics and stares down receivers. Colt is an inch taller than Drew Brees. Brees is his ceiling and they're very similar IMO. Look at Drew Brees in 2002 and 2003 and then look at Colt's first 2 seasons in the league. Hint: They're EXTREMELY similar... Brees got into the right system and now he's a future hall of famer. It looks like the Browns may trade Colt as early as today.
Some more interesting stats: (With Polian's BS grades in parenthesis)
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1. Aaron Rodgers – 8.2 (A)
2. Ben Roethlisberger – 8.0 (A)
2. Philip Rivers – 8.0 (A)
2. Tony Romo – 8.0
5. Matt Schaub – 7.9
6. Peyton Manning – 7.6
7. Tom Brady – 7.5
8. Drew Brees – 7.4
9. Jay Cutler – 7.3 (A)
10. Carson Palmer – 7.2 (A)
10. Jake Delhomme – 7.2
12. Mike Vick – 7.1 (B)
12. Joe Flacco – 7.1 (A)
14. Eli Manning – 7.0 (A)
14. David Garrard – 7.0
14. Matt Ryan – 7.0 (A)
17. Donavan McNabb – 6.9
17. Matt Hasselbeck – 6.9
17. Vince Young – 6.9 (F)
17. Matt Stafford – 6.9 (C)
21. Jason Campbell – 6.8 (C)
21. Josh Freeman – 6.8
23. Chad Henne – 6.7
23. Tavaris Jackson – 6.7
25. Kyle Orton – 6.6
25. Rex Grossman – 6.6 (D)
25. Shaun Hill – 6.6
25. Matt Cassel – 6.6
25. JP Losman – 6.6 (F)
30. Mark Sanchez – 6.5 (C)
30. Trent Edwards – 6.5
32. Alex Smith – 6.4 (C)
32. Derek Anderson – 6.4
34. Ryan Fitzpatrick – 6.3
34. Colt McCoy – 6.3
34. Seneca Wallace – 6.3
37. Sam Bradford – 6.0
38. Bruce Gradkowski – 5.7
And this does not tell the whole story on Vince. As those of us paying attention have noted, he has made great strides as a passer since 2009. Since 2009, his YPA is 7.6, which would put him firmly in the top 10 of this list.
Interesting question: Who is the best B12 QB in the league?
Josh Freeman? K-State
Sam Bradford? OU
Vince Young? Texas
Colt McCoy? Texas
Blaine Gabbert? Mizzou
RG3? Baylor
Steven McGee? A&M
Ryan Tannehill? A&M
Brandon Weeden? OSU
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Originally Posted by AdamVR4
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Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Triple post response branching off into a different tangent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
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And then look at 2004. There's a reason Brees got into a better system; he improved exponentially and went to the pro-bowl that year. Cleveland isn't the best place to make a name for yourself, so it's not all his fault, but I don't see him being the man, anywhere, at this point. Maybe he'll prove me wrong; that's a bet I'll take.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Jeremy
3 of those guys haven't even taken a snap in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Jeremy
Right. So answer the question for the 6 that have. Then consider who you would pick if you had to pick one of the 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Time line? Dollar amount? Are you betting that he'll never start another NFL game? (obviously starting a game in place of an injured 1st string QB wouldn't count)Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
I'd say stat wise, it's most likely VY. To be honest, I really don't give a shit about any of those 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Read the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
All of this talk would be like me crying about Pat White. He was a college phenomenon that didn't carry over to the NFL. It's an extremely competitive arena; not everybody wins. And that's the cold, hard truth, and all I have to say.
Jeremy
Pretty much the response I was expecting. Do you think it's an indictment on B12 QB's or do you think they're just ending up in the wrong systems? Both?Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
You OK? I'm trying to define the terms of a bet you'll probably win...Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Interesting comparison. The Dolphins used the 44th overall pick on Pat White (kind of puts the Tannehill pick in perspective, I guess). They gave him basically ONE calendar year before they waived him. WTF? About a year later, Pat White got signed and cut by the Virginia Destroyers in just over 2 months... WTF? Do you have any details on what happened? There's a reason organizations (like the Dolphins for instance) wander through the wilderness for decades...Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Laughing out loud in amazement over here. I knew it was bad but GOOD LORD.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebadmollafolla
Josh Freeman - He's not bad. Went a little backwards last year, but not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Sam Bradford - Made of glass.
VY - I don't know what went wrong here. The rookie season was legendary.
Colt - Bad system, and now all the teams want 6'2" or better qb's.
Blaine Gabbert - Lots of good receivers recently added. His stats are about to improve tremendously.
RG3 - Will not fail.
Tannehill - Though I think he's overrated, I bet he does very well. Miami is so close to hitting on all cylinders.
Weeden - Same as RG3. And with Richardson in the backfield, he should be able to make things happen. Though it is Cleveland...
I'm saying I don't think he'll ever be "the man", "the face of a franchise", etc. The league is fickle. If you don't make an immediate impact (or get a crazy contract like Bradford) they toss you out like yesterdays trash. Hard to make a come back when there's new talent coming all the time. Viscious shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Fins gave up on him after Ike Taylor rung his bell (brutal hit), and had a hard on for Henne (Brilliant..ugggh).Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
The UFL was 20mil in the hole and everyone was told to go home. Once they cleared it up, he was all the sudden cut. Unfortunately, I do not know the back story. He has the stigma of not being able to pass. Which is far from true. But the old adage of perception is reality applies here. He would have served himself much better if he would've been willing to move to receiver. He's very stubborn on that. It's qb or nothing.
Jeremy
Weeden isn't mobile and won't have an O-line. He needs to start right away, but Cleveland will draft a QB again in 2 or 3 seasons. Barkley is happy they took Weeden.Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
So being the starter wouldn't count as "the man"? You said you would bet on this... I'm interested. Just a friendly wager of some sort that you can claim in ~5 years or something LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
So stupid, so sad... I used to laugh at the people that would claim racism exists in the NFL, but shit like this makes me wonder...Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Weeden dead man walking in cleveland... see if he lasts as long as couch before he gets his arms ripped out of socket.
Cleveland Oline squeals like little girls when defensive linemen come after them... wet tissue paper. You honestly would be better off with no Oline. I think they sack their own qb half the time when they fall back on him
I'd like to see Colt get a chance with Richardson behind him. But this is the Browns, they have 0 loyalty. I will say, they were very aggressive in the draft this year. Normally they wait for it to come to them, which is a year in year out fail. They knew what they wanted this year, and took it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Weeden has the 3 best arm attributes you could ask for. Strength, touch, and accuracy. If they can shore up the left side of the o-line, they'll be on their way.
Sure, starter would be the man. But not half a year. Multiple years. Which would mean he's getting it done, and the franchise and fans believe in him. Basically, since you compared him to Brees...that, do that and I'll eat my words. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Who knows? Shit happens. He's a good guy, and still has his chin up. I follow him on FB, he's always willing to talk to anyone, but I'd say football is over for him. *sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Jeremy
hahah! Would starting 13+ games for 2+ consecutive years work? We need an easier to define metric than "Drew Brees" :D and I'm not quite a big enough homer to think Colt is a future HOF'er at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Yes. Starting with this season, he gets 5 years to accomplish that. *internet hand shake* Back to the draft, it's pretty unfair to Colt, really, that Holmgren finally puts on his big boy britches and goes commando on the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Aside - tired of people talking about Weeden's age. Kurt Warner, anyone?
Jeremy
2012 NFL Trade Rumors: Browns May Put Colt McCoy On The Trading Block - SB Nation Cleveland
lawl, if that happens, it'll be the easiest bet I've ever won. :pQuote:
Then, reports surfaced on Friday morning that the Browns and Packers had initiated talks about a potential trade for McCoy.
I'd be a happy mofo to be a backup. Make silly money, with very little risk of getting hurt? Yes, please. :)
Jeremy
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Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
I see it as a great situation... He's learned a new offensive system both years in the league and had no off season to learn it this past year.
Oh, and uh... Matt Flynn
As pathetic as that pciture of the Browns jersey is I just read this stat on ESPN
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The Redskins have started 21 quarterbacks over the past 19 seasons.
That's why they had to give up so much for RGIII, and why the fan base is so excited. It's been tough since we won the SuperBowl in 1991 and we've had a "who's who" of run of the mill QB's starting for us the last 20 years. Nothing's guaranteed with RGIII, but if he's a miss, then there has to be a curse on my team and we might need to draft an exorcist next year!Quote:
Originally Posted by stealthee
i think either you'll be SOL or the colts will. odds that TWO qb's, 1 & 2 in the draft--both being productive and future HOF? about 10 billion to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93STLTH
Since it's only happened 4 other times, there really isn't a good sample yet. Although, in the 1983 draft, there were 3 HOF QB's picked in the 1st round, so it can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by IPD
I'll just leave this here...
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...81999994_n.jpg
PRESEASON IS LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY
also, I just discovered that Stafford had the quietest 5000 yard season of all time last season:
sauce: Matthew Stafford had the quietest 5000yd 40td season of all time. : nflQuote:
-Only 5 times has the 5000 yard mark been reached
Drew Brees 2011 & 2008
Tom Brady 2011
Dan Marino 1984
Matthew Stafford 2011
-40 touchdown passes in a season has only been accomplished 8 times
Marino 1984 & 1986
Tom Brady 2007
Peyton Manning 2004
Drew Brees 2011
Aaron Rodgers 2011
Matthew Stafford 2011
Kurt Warner 1999
-Guess what? Only 3 Quarterbacks ever have accomplished both in the same season.
Drew Brees 2011
Dan Marino 1984
Matthew Stafford 2011
also, anyone interested in getting a 3S owners fantasy football league going for this season?
Wow, yeah, I had no idea.
Jeremy