My photos, per request.

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09-18-2010, 11:50 PM
blindmist

My photos, per request.

This was the original that started it. I figured I would pick a few more from when I was using a camera. Here you go beepbepp

http://imgur.com/vAT5m.jpg
http://imgur.com/vAT5m.jpg
http://imgur.com/9P0SO.jpg
http://imgur.com/9P0SO.jpg
http://imgur.com/psnd5.jpg
http://imgur.com/psnd5.jpg
http://imgur.com/L2Um8.jpg
http://imgur.com/L2Um8.jpg
http://imgur.com/qZlpy.jpg
http://imgur.com/qZlpy.jpg
http://imgur.com/HIdo3.jpg
http://imgur.com/HIdo3.jpg
09-19-2010, 12:54 AM
Macky

love the R8. for someone who doesn't shoot a lot, your pictures look real good!
09-19-2010, 02:04 AM
blindmist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macky

love the R8. for someone who doesn't shoot a lot, your pictures look real good!

Thanks! I learned from my brother. He sat down and showed me exactly what did what and what everything meant. The only reason those are any good is because of him.

Here is one of my favorites of my brothers.

http://media.cmcdn.net/5259795/440x660.jpeg
09-20-2010, 01:10 PM
beepbeep

Very nice. There are certain photographers whose work really catches my eye, while others just look like average pictures. I really like the first one and then rear of the R8. Thanks for indulging me and don't be afraid to shoot some more. :D
09-21-2010, 12:15 AM
AudibleSilence

r8 picture 1 has a tree growing out of the car.
r8 picture 2 has clutter in the background (powerlines, airplane, parking lot, etc).
Both pictures are underexposed.

You don't shoot a lot but your framing isn't half bad. Mind your background, mind the environment your subject is in. The background should complement your subject not take away from it. Watch your light meter and don't shoot in mid-day sun if you can avoid it, as it will wash your photos.
09-21-2010, 01:07 AM
blindmist

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

r8 picture 1 has a tree growing out of the car.
r8 picture 2 has clutter in the background (powerlines, airplane, parking lot, etc).
Both pictures are underexposed.

You don't shoot a lot but your framing isn't half bad. Mind your background, mind the environment your subject is in. The background should complement your subject not take away from it. Watch your light meter and don't shoot in mid-day sun if you can avoid it, as it will wash your photos.

Ahh see. coming here to talk shit. lol jk.

I literally had the camera for maybe 2 days at this point, right before I was going off throughout the country. I was mainly wanting to just get pictures to remind me of something I did on my 21st more than anything else. I tried, thats about all I can say. Also, it was at a dealership, and I was just some punk kid taking pictures, it's not like I could get them to move the cars location to change the scenery for my picture. They wouldn't even open the engine bay for one of the Ferrari's that was already not shut all the way.

I have noticed how limited you can be with an 18-55mm lens though. I will eventually end up getting something that is worthwhile to shoot with when I am in a much better financial situation. Most likely will be when I settle down with a woman, if that ever happens.
09-21-2010, 08:48 AM
AudibleSilence

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindmist

Ahh see. coming here to talk shit. lol jk.

I literally had the camera for maybe 2 days at this point, right before I was going off throughout the country. I was mainly wanting to just get pictures to remind me of something I did on my 21st more than anything else. I tried, thats about all I can say. Also, it was at a dealership, and I was just some punk kid taking pictures, it's not like I could get them to move the cars location to change the scenery for my picture. They wouldn't even open the engine bay for one of the Ferrari's that was already not shut all the way.

I have noticed how limited you can be with an 18-55mm lens though. I will eventually end up getting something that is worthwhile to shoot with when I am in a much better financial situation. Most likely will be when I settle down with a woman, if that ever happens.

Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 non-vc is a good replacement for $350 or so. It has comparable quality to the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS from Canon.

Don't ever make excuses bro. Your shots are your shots... They were the best you could do at the time, so don't knock or make excuses for yourself. All we can do is learn and grow. I am always suspect of people that have nothing but nice things to say about my work. Either they aren't looking, or they don't know wtf they are talking about. There is ALWAYS room to grow, learn, improve, and get better..and no one has it ALL figured out.
09-21-2010, 09:48 AM
beepbeep

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

I am always suspect of people that have nothing but nice things to say about my work. Either they aren't looking, or they don't know wtf they are talking about. There is ALWAYS room to grow, learn, improve, and get better..and no one has it ALL figured out.

Keep in mind that people looking might not always be moved or impressed by what someone else is. There are certain qualities and a feel that a photo has to have for me to be taken by it, regardless of it's intentions. I don't compliment every photo I see, only the ones that I like. I don't over analyze too many things. To me, as an average Jane who appreciates a good picture, I will see different things than someone like you, who shoots and studies and well as appreciates another's work. Make sense? Beauty...beholder kinda thing.
09-21-2010, 10:20 AM
blindmist

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Don't ever make excuses bro. Your shots are your shots... They were the best you could do at the time, so don't knock or make excuses for yourself. All we can do is learn and grow. I am always suspect of people that have nothing but nice things to say about my work. Either they aren't looking, or they don't know wtf they are talking about. There is ALWAYS room to grow, learn, improve, and get better..and no one has it ALL figured out.

And comments like this is what discourage people from even caring. I wasn't taking the photo to a high standard, and so it should not be judged to such. There are much better ways to make your points without the attitude you present. Secondly I wasn't making excuses. I was explaining how I got the shot with what I had. There was no excuse, its just background to the picture. I don't even know what lens I would need to get a picture with the tree to not be there.
09-21-2010, 10:28 AM
AudibleSilence

Quote:

Originally Posted by beepbeep

Keep in mind that people looking might not always be moved or impressed by what someone else is. There are certain qualities and a feel that a photo has to have for me to be taken by it, regardless of it's intentions. I don't compliment every photo I see, only the ones that I like. I don't over analyze too many things. To me, as an average Jane who appreciates a good picture, I will see different things than someone like you, who shoots and studies and well as appreciates another's work. Make sense? Beauty...beholder kinda thing.

Taste varies, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a blown shot is a blown shot.

I get your point in so far as what moves you but I'm sorry I disagree with telling someone a shot is good when it's not because it doesn't help them grow. The average Joe may think a photo is decent or even good, but the average Joe may or may not know dick about photography and thus their opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

Pointing out flaws has little or nothing to do with appreciation of work, just as appreciation of the work has little or nothing to do with it being good. This is not specific to this thread or these pics but in general.

I never ask if folks like a shot, I ask what is wrong with it.
09-21-2010, 10:34 AM
Macky

unless someone asks me to critique their work, I subjectively look at it based on what I feel it looks to me.

if my first emotion is that I like the photo, I tell the person the photo looks good. nothing more. if the person asks how he/she can improve, then I put my 2 cents. unless they ask, it's just a photo they took as a hobby for fun.

not everyone is looking for critique where they need to check their settings, the background, the time of day when they shot the picture, etc. for most its a hobby, not an obsession. for some of us, we get paid to do it and have to be more mindful than the average shooter.
09-21-2010, 10:36 AM
beepbeep

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Taste varies, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a blown shot is a blown shot.

I get your point in so far as what moves you but I'm sorry I disagree with telling someone a shot is good when it's not because it doesn't help them grow. The average Joe may think a photo is decent or even good, but the average Joe may or may not know dick about photography and thus their opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

Pointing out flaws has little or nothing to do with appreciation of work, just as appreciation of the work has little or nothing to do with it being good. This is not specific to this thread or these pics but in general.

I never ask if folks like a shot, I ask what is wrong with it.

And that's why I stated the difference between what I, average Jane, finds good in a photograph vs. what another photographer finds good. If I think it's a good shot, I'll say so. But I get where you are coming from. Since I don't have the 'technical' experience, I won't comment on a photo that just doesn't work for me, because I cannot tell the photographer what exactly is wrong.
09-21-2010, 04:44 PM
blindmist

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Don't ever make excuses bro. Your shots are your shots... They were the best you could do at the time, so don't knock or make excuses for yourself. All we can do is learn and grow. I am always suspect of people that have nothing but nice things to say about my work. Either they aren't looking, or they don't know wtf they are talking about. There is ALWAYS room to grow, learn, improve, and get better..and no one has it ALL figured out.

Comments like this only discourage. If anything, I have less of a want to go pickup a camera now. I wasn't making excuses. I was explaining how the shot was taken with what I had at the time that the shot was taken. I think that with 2-3 day experience (especially with a DSLR), that these photos are pretty damn good. Secondly, as a general rule of thumb I always follow, only judge shots to the standards they were shot at unless asked otherwise. I was not taking these to high standards, I would expect them to not be judged to such.

In anyway did you say something positive about any of the photos? So how have you encouraged?

All I am saying, is change how you "critique". Comparing how you want to be critiqued is not they way everyone needs to be critiqued.
09-21-2010, 05:12 PM
AudibleSilence

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindmist

Comments like this only discourage. If anything, I have less of a want to go pickup a camera now. I wasn't making excuses. I was explaining how the shot was taken with what I had at the time that the shot was taken. I think that with 2-3 day experience (especially with a DSLR), that these photos are pretty damn good. Secondly, as a general rule of thumb I always follow, only judge shots to the standards they were shot at unless asked otherwise. I was not taking these to high standards, I would expect them to not be judged to such.

Grow thicker skin or don't show your work. Life isn't about rainbows and butterflies and I'm not going to hold your hand and bullshit you.

I wasn't holding you to any standard other than that of a properly exposed and framed picture. You were not judged on artistic merit, in fact you weren't judged at all actually. There is a right way, and a wrong way and it's as simple as that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindmist

In anyway did you say something positive about any of the photos? So how have you encouraged?

All I am saying, is change how you "critique". Comparing how you want to be critiqued is not they way everyone needs to be critiqued.

There is nothing wrong with the critique you got and everything wrong with your attitude. Learn to take criticism and grow from it. Don't get defensive, don't make excuses, and don't claim that someone else killed your drive. You think I like every critique I get? Hell no.. Suck it up and use it as fuel to do better next time..

If you want a copy of Understanding Exposure I'll give you one of mine.
09-21-2010, 05:26 PM
blindmist

lol. This is funny. I know that shot was underexposed. I am not an idiot. I have learned to ignore you in the past, I can still do it now. Please, stay out of my thread. Thanks.

Edit: I love technology. The forum has an ignore feature!
09-21-2010, 05:30 PM
beepbeep

blind, I'm sorry that my request to see more of your work turned into what it has. I appreciate the time you took to share and encourage you to shoot what you want however you want to.
09-21-2010, 05:32 PM
Macky

Mike,

the thing here is that he was not looking for critique. someone asked for him to post some pictures he took and that was that. unless otherwise indicated, people posting their pictures here are posting for the sake of sharing, not for critique.

its not about proper exposure or getting the framing right or getting the photograph "right". its about sharing photography as a hobby.

you can give your two cents, but like photography, there is a right way and a wrong way to do that.

now lets move on guys. pick up that camera and have fun!
09-21-2010, 05:37 PM
ChargerX3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macky

not everyone is looking for critique where they need to check their settings, the background, the time of day when they shot the picture, etc. for most its a hobby, not an obsession. for some of us, we get paid to do it and have to be more mindful than the average shooter.

I think this best sums up the thread. Blindmist is new and is making great strides fast. Mike has been doing this for a while now and supposedly as a profession, so yes there will be variances in skill level. Mike chill out and give it in doses. He's learning and doing it well, but let him do it at his own pace. Hell hes had the camera less than a week.

Blindmist- I look forward to seeing you progress in photography. You have a good start, but like mike says you still have areas that need more practice and work. Join a photography forum and post up pics here often. We'll try to be easy on the critique. Right mike? ;)
09-21-2010, 05:58 PM
AudibleSilence

yea...noted:
if exposure is off don't say anything.
if framing is off don't say anything.
if wb is off and there are objects growing out of the subject say nothing.

wait..if i say nothing however will he learn? you do him disservice by not helping him learn.

p.s. don't chided me llike i told the guy his pics suck, i told him about the flaws so he could learn. wtf did you guys do cept tell him he did good? There is no rule about critique and i was respectful and tried to help him. so...until there is a rule against either, please brothers save your chiding please.
09-21-2010, 06:57 PM
ChargerX3

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

yea...noted:
if exposure is off don't say anything.
if framing is off don't say anything.
if wb is off and there are objects growing out of the subject say nothing.

wait..if i say nothing however will he learn? you do him disservice by not helping him learn.

p.s. don't chided me llike i told the guy his pics suck, i told him about the flaws so he could learn. wtf did you guys do cept tell him he did good? There is no rule about critique and i was respectful and tried to help him. so...until there is a rule against either, please brothers save your chiding please.

It's his FIRST TIME you smart ass! He didn't post for critique. He was asked to post up what he had from his FIRST experience. The fact that you posted up your critique wasn't so bad, but YOU PERSISTED to try and prove your point when obviously he wasn't looking for it. He asked you to stop, and yet you persisted more. NOW with your last statement you try to come off as the victim in your all knowing holy understanding of art??? Grow the $#@& UP!

1)Know your audience
2)Have tact
3)Know when to shut up
09-21-2010, 07:39 PM
vr4_rider

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindmist

And comments like this is what discourage people from even caring. I wasn't taking the photo to a high standard, and so it should not be judged to such. There are much better ways to make your points without the attitude you present. Secondly I wasn't making excuses. I was explaining how I got the shot with what I had. There was no excuse, its just background to the picture. I don't even know what lens I would need to get a picture with the tree to not be there.

Good point, buddy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

Grow thicker skin or don't show your work. Life isn't about rainbows and butterflies and I'm not going to hold your hand and bullshit you.

I wasn't holding you to any standard other than that of a properly exposed and framed picture. You were not judged on artistic merit, in fact you weren't judged at all actually. There is a right way, and a wrong way and it's as simple as that.

There is nothing wrong with the critique you got and everything wrong with your attitude. Learn to take criticism and grow from it. Don't get defensive, don't make excuses, and don't claim that someone else killed your drive. You think I like every critique I get? Hell no.. Suck it up and use it as fuel to do better next time..

If you want a copy of Understanding Exposure I'll give you one of mine.

So you were holding him to a standard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudibleSilence

yea...noted:
if exposure is off don't say anything.
if framing is off don't say anything.
if wb is off and there are objects growing out of the subject say nothing.

wait..if i say nothing however will he learn? you do him disservice by not helping him learn.

p.s. don't chided me llike i told the guy his pics suck, i told him about the flaws so he could learn. wtf did you guys do cept tell him he did good? There is no rule about critique and i was respectful and tried to help him. so...until there is a rule against either, please brothers save your chiding please.

Say something that could change that picture. Pretend he knows what you know about photography and then tell me something that could have been done.

I don't get it--he didn't ask you to teach him, yet I see this argument that you are trying to.
09-22-2010, 01:21 AM
Macky

let it go guys. just peer behind the camera and take shots that way :D
09-22-2010, 08:30 AM
SUTHNR

Oh the drama! Leave it to a bunch of people with cameras to ruffle feathers! LOL

My thoughts are if you post pictures in forums or facebook or wherever, expect anything in return: comments, fan mail, hate mail, criticism, constructive criticism, the ban stick, whatever! Especially if said pictures are anything remotely tied to "samples of my pictures/photography" versus snapshots of "look at my dog" or "check out this ricer".

I take pictures because I enjoy it. I have taken about 250,000 pictures since I went digital back in 2000 (imagine the film + development savings! HAHA!).

Heck, I don't even know where this post is going. It's late and I'm tired so here's a picture I uploaded using the 3SGTO file upload/attachment utility to test it out...

Attachment 950

Happy shooting! :D
EricB