Fabrication Parts

What new parts should be made available for our cars? Im trying to start my custom fab shop, well officially lol. Ive been making stuff for years. But i want to start to make stuff for our cars. I was thinking cromoly roll cage, cromoly subframe, comoly lower control arms.

But before anyone says yes all the above, Lets see what you would commit to buy, Majority vote wins the first round of builds. As always i will stand behind everything i build.

I will update the first page with people when everything is nailed down for now we will just use it for reference.


Cromoly Roll Cage
FeaRpb
markoverclock
roll cage

Cromoly Lower control arms
rawavr4
slage
Mr2
mehrshadvr4


Cromoly Subframes
FeaRpb
vantage
tteric
mehrshadvr4


Possible double wishbone suspension
Jfast
mehrshadvr4

Solid rear subframe bushings
rawavr4
FeaRpb
Turbosincebirth
a2j
Ja3gt
cntrlswitch

Fuel pump Assy (1-3 pumps)
Markoverclock
Mr2

Single Turbo kit
Markoverclock
JasonY (?)

I would be into the subframes depending on how much lighter they are than stock.

As for the roll cage, I will definitely buy one.

Chromoly cage and subframes are going to be pretty expensive. I Would rather just see them made of mild.

I would also love to see solid subframe bushings

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Subscribed...I'm certainly interested in the subframe but thats a project for later down the road..

I like the idea of the subframe and would possibly be interested depending on cost vs. weight.

What I've been saving for for awhile now is a modified hub and control arm assembly which converts the suspension to a double wishbone. Yes its exotic but it's the real deal. A true performance upgrade, not just a weight saver. If you could make that happen I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what might come of the development. With that in mind, the right design it would sell for sure.

I've been going back and forth with my crew for a long time regarding the $ suspension setup. It's actually been discussed over and over and well thought thru. We could have a trigger pulled on it if Erron and I wanted Magnus to cut and fab everything. Unfortunately, for two setups its just not economical so its a bright idea and a pipe dream till we want to spend 3G's.

I would be in for sure if you could come up with something wherin the numbers made it more economical.

I think it'd be safe to speak for Erron also and say he'd be onboard if you could fab something. I'd be more than happy to share the info from H. Landry, J. Lehkuhm, R. Nelson, Erron and I have sifted thru. It's a pipe dream but man it would be cool for sure. As always, it's something others could take further and aid in the development which would make it that much better.

Subframe = in (depending on cost)

Cage, already have that one checked off.

Maybe a double wishbone converson?

Lastly, How about a single turbo kit?

Just stating what's on the brain currently so hope no one minds.

Right on for furthering the platform overclock.

IMO, there are plenty of single turbo kits. It wouldn't be worth the time vs pay off.

the single turbo kit i have and would/might change my design from over the trans to in front of trans. But im not to sure on the selling point. i could deff make double wish bone setup but i really need to take a close look at cost on that one.

Just for some kind of reference what type of ball park prices would keep the interest on all the above setups for people.

I want tubular control arms and solid rear diff&subframe bushings. Front and rear subframes would be great too. Possibly hot side intercooler pipes that route under the car like the ETS kit. With all the cxracing kits out there, I'm sure there are buyers that wouldnt mind that(me). Maybe a custom fit meth tank for the trunk, same size and shape as the trays so it looks completely stock. Just thinking out loud here. I'd def be in for rear diff bushings and front control arms pending though.

Could you ballpark how much the cage would weigh?

Solid rear diff bushings would also be nice along with the subframe bushings.

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Originally Posted by FeaRpb

Could you ballpark how much the cage would weigh?

Solid rear diff bushings would also be nice along with the subframe bushings.

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Roll Cage 3000GT / Stealth*-*Mitsubishi 3000GT*/*Dodge Stealth Parts

Look at the top one. Im thinking of doing a 6 point cage. ( just used 3sx for weight reference only )

Will look at the solid rear diff bushings seems to be very popular request.

OOOOOOOOOOooooooo - ok suspension aside if u offer all the fab components it takes to make a decent single setup (intake mani to drivers side for least heatsoak, drivers side ic single pipes, tubular headers to t4 flange either in front or over trans) but offer them all seperately for purchase- i think that would be quite nice and make purchases reasonable vs waiting to drop 8k on a WHOLE kit- sure its everything you could need, but its also intimidating and cost prohibitive.

1- you mentioned your single turbo setup- I dont believe its manufactured by anyone else anymore- ie you would be the only one producing a kit uniformly vs ppl making their own in there back yard - like me :P- last group I saw carry it was IPS, (last I checked it wasnt on their site anymore, but that was a few months ago just after they teased their quad tip exhaust) but piping price was absurd. If you can make a more budget oriented single setup that isnt made from gold and doesn't run 3000 for JUST piping like ips (non polished pipes, with polishing as an option, normal 304 stainless, regular flanges with vband as an extra option, if i recall, 350z headers line up fairly well, maybe they can be repurposed and slightly modified to further drop costs vs making a header from scratch, ect ect) I know a few that would be interested- if u could find a cost effective way to make the over the trans work (doubt it as the battery relocate is necessary) that would have the most aesthetic appeal with functionality imho- but hey, its preferential over practical at that point

2-for said single setup- intake manifold specifically designed that relocates the throttle body to the drivers side without the inlet being in the way of the master break cyl resevior- on my own single setup im using an intake off the avenger 6g73, it bolts on, but the turbo flange needed to be welded on, and I still need to redo brake lines and move the resevior off the cylinder with a dsm resevior to to get it to clear- having a pre fitting intake setup with better clearance would REAAAAAALLY be nice- or heck, to keep costs down, the avenger one modded with our throttle body flange.

- this offers a setup that supports BIG POWER turbos like PTE6765 CEA, garret gt42, Holset Hx52 PRO ect ect without pulling the motor to install it - a convienient advertising feature- like u need to do in order to install twin td05 flanged setups- and it gives the NA guys another option to jump into the mix vs waiting to collect a turbo guys stuff and convert to twins or drop the money on a twin 16G setup with ebay parts for 2500 with tax/shipping - as most of the single setups i seem to see are actually SL's and the like

lower control arms

front & rear crash bars

i didnt read through the other posts but...

a GOOD 6 speed transfercase brace.
stronger gears for the internals of the transfer case that can be relatively affordable.
brake adapters for cheap big brake conversions. could say the same thing for suspensions (to use evo suspensions for instance)
gauge mount for behind the steering wheel that looks good
the gauge bezel with 2 gauges on the side instead of using buttons
1st gen/2nd gen lips

thats all i got for now. some of this stuff has been created before, some of it could be built upon with some ingenuity, and some of it could just be made more affordably. just my .02 :D

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Originally Posted by arm0red1

OOOOOOOOOOooooooo - ok suspension aside if u offer all the fab components it takes to make a decent single setup (intake mani to drivers side for least heatsoak, drivers side ic single pipes, tubular headers to t4 flange either in front or over trans) but offer them all seperately for purchase- i think that would be quite nice and make purchases reasonable vs waiting to drop 8k on a WHOLE kit- sure its everything you could need, but its also intimidating and cost prohibitive.

1- you mentioned your single turbo setup- I dont believe its manufactured by anyone else anymore- ie you would be the only one producing a kit uniformly vs ppl making their own in there back yard - like me :P- last group I saw carry it was IPS, (last I checked it wasnt on their site anymore, but that was a few months ago just after they teased their quad tip exhaust) but piping price was absurd. If you can make a more budget oriented single setup that isnt made from gold and doesn't run 3000 for JUST piping like ips (non polished pipes, with polishing as an option, normal 304 stainless, regular flanges with vband as an extra option, if i recall, 350z headers line up fairly well, maybe they can be repurposed and slightly modified to further drop costs vs making a header from scratch, ect ect) I know a few that would be interested- if u could find a cost effective way to make the over the trans work (doubt it as the battery relocate is necessary) that would have the most aesthetic appeal with functionality imho- but hey, its preferential over practical at that point

2-for said single setup- intake manifold specifically designed that relocates the throttle body to the drivers side without the inlet being in the way of the master break cyl resevior- on my own single setup im using an intake off the avenger 6g73, it bolts on, but the turbo flange needed to be welded on, and I still need to redo brake lines and move the resevior off the cylinder with a dsm resevior to to get it to clear- having a pre fitting intake setup with better clearance would REAAAAAALLY be nice- or heck, to keep costs down, the avenger one modded with our throttle body flange.

- this offers a setup that supports BIG POWER turbos like PTE6765 CEA, garret gt42, Holset Hx52 PRO ect ect without pulling the motor to install it - a convienient advertising feature- like u need to do in order to install twin td05 flanged setups- and it gives the NA guys another option to jump into the mix vs waiting to collect a turbo guys stuff and convert to twins or drop the money on a twin 16G setup with ebay parts for 2500 with tax/shipping - as most of the single setups i seem to see are actually SL's and the like

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I dont mind building a single kit but i really dont see a need for it. the kit ( turbo, headers, fmic, hot and cold piping, and driver side intake) would cost about 3-4k. But you still need fuel system and a tuning system. I dont many people spending that kind of money at one time on our cars. If someone would like me to make them one i will.

I really see most people buying smaller things for their car.

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Originally Posted by arm0red1

OOOOOOOOOOooooooo - ok suspension aside if u offer all the fab components it takes to make a decent single setup (intake mani to drivers side for least heatsoak, drivers side ic single pipes, tubular headers to t4 flange either in front or over trans) but offer them all seperately for purchase- i think that would be quite nice and make purchases reasonable vs waiting to drop 8k on a WHOLE kit- sure its everything you could need, but its also intimidating and cost prohibitive.

1- you mentioned your single turbo setup- I dont believe its manufactured by anyone else anymore- ie you would be the only one producing a kit uniformly vs ppl making their own in there back yard - like me :P- last group I saw carry it was IPS, (last I checked it wasnt on their site anymore, but that was a few months ago just after they teased their quad tip exhaust) but piping price was absurd. If you can make a more budget oriented single setup that isnt made from gold and doesn't run 3000 for JUST piping like ips (non polished pipes, with polishing as an option, normal 304 stainless, regular flanges with vband as an extra option, if i recall, 350z headers line up fairly well, maybe they can be repurposed and slightly modified to further drop costs vs making a header from scratch, ect ect) I know a few that would be interested- if u could find a cost effective way to make the over the trans work (doubt it as the battery relocate is necessary) that would have the most aesthetic appeal with functionality imho- but hey, its preferential over practical at that point

2-for said single setup- intake manifold specifically designed that relocates the throttle body to the drivers side without the inlet being in the way of the master break cyl resevior- on my own single setup im using an intake off the avenger 6g73, it bolts on, but the turbo flange needed to be welded on, and I still need to redo brake lines and move the resevior off the cylinder with a dsm resevior to to get it to clear- having a pre fitting intake setup with better clearance would REAAAAAALLY be nice- or heck, to keep costs down, the avenger one modded with our throttle body flange.

- this offers a setup that supports BIG POWER turbos like PTE6765 CEA, garret gt42, Holset Hx52 PRO ect ect without pulling the motor to install it - a convienient advertising feature- like u need to do in order to install twin td05 flanged setups- and it gives the NA guys another option to jump into the mix vs waiting to collect a turbo guys stuff and convert to twins or drop the money on a twin 16G setup with ebay parts for 2500 with tax/shipping - as most of the single setups i seem to see are actually SL's and the like

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I dont mind building a single kit but i really dont see a need for it. the kit ( turbo, headers, fmic, hot and cold piping, and driver side intake) would cost about 3-4k. But you still need fuel system and a tuning system. I dont many people spending that kind of money at one time on our cars. If someone would like me to make them one i will.

I really see most people buying smaller things for their car.

ok, if you could make lower control arms I'd be interested, also the brake adapters and possibly dual wishbone suspension...keep in mind the day you make them may not be the day I can afford them.

a nice TD05 kit would be cool..before you go "already done to death"

make something more compact than the current designs, no turbo's sticking up out of no-where, forget equal length tube, just make shortest tube to turbo and include useful long term heatshielding, make it with external waste gates but make them hidden, under the car or atleast under the turbo's.

there are LOTS of TD05 Turbo options out there, just most of the manifold kits are an eye saw and or known to crack, make your kit SOLID (and by having less inch's of pipe the kit should not only run cooler but also be in theory the same weight/lighter.

FYI, strut to SLA conversion Griggs style, note that creativity is needed for coilover install to clear axle and that a yoke mount is a viable option:

http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/9...g_products.jpg

http://image.mustang50magazine.com/f...ion_system.jpg

http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/3...which_way+.jpg

http://www.griggsracing.com/gallery/66/15.jpg

People have always wanted a rear subframe but price always seems to be an issue when making them. Only time I've seen one for sale was nelsons and it was very pricey.

I would like to go over a custom single turbo manifold set if you would be interested in making it. I need one made but have no one to make it.

Can you give us an idea of the price ballpark subframes would be ? It really appealing.

Eric

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Originally Posted by 92pearltt

I would like to go over a custom single turbo manifold set if you would be interested in making it. I need one made but have no one to make it.

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PM me with your details you want like where you want to possition it. and if do you just want headers?

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Originally Posted by TT Eric

Can you give us an idea of the price ballpark subframes would be ? It really appealing.

Eric

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right now this is just an intrest of parts to be made, after we have the input needed we will then go to design and cost. i dont want to give a ball park till i know what and how many people intrested to do a group buy or something similar to where we can get commitments, so that if i have to make them and wait to get my profit out of the final payments thats fine with me. Ill commit to anything to make anything as long as you guys commit to buying it.

I think we can work together and make this platform excel. So if we can do it this way i believe we can keep cost down, Quality high and no chance of scams or bull@#$@. I would like to see our cars beat anything on the streets.

Ray does great work with getting huge HP, Dynamic has done great with getting low times. We still need reasonable costs, Something for track racers, and i beleive even Na parts or covnersion parts for them as well.

First Page updated.

Honestly I'd be interested in all of it. The price would be the reason if I bought it or not.

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Originally Posted by slage

lower control arms

front & rear crash bars

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crash bar bump... would anybody else want one?

I'd go for subframe and rear diff solid bushings for sure. As for the tubular subframes I'd have to wait and see what the prices were. If it was around $2k I'm not sure if or when I would get one. If each was affordable like a set of coilovers it would be easy to get but I have a feeling it'll take more money in labor and materials than that.

You could always fab some adapters for EVO Brembo brakes. I can't think of anything else but I'm sure I'll come up with something.

Would a subframe bushing kit include the diff bushings? Or would diff be separate? I ask because I'm mainly interested in the diff but if the price is right I'd get subframe too.

All my parts will be affordable.

when you start talking about suspension stuff I get a little worried about strength...I'd need to be convinced that they are very strong :p

Just a thought

something like this would fit to a mcstrut package 'easier' and a double axis strut system(similar to revo knuckles) would not need any 'body modifications'.

http://www.carenvy.ca/wp-content/upl..._knuckle_2.jpg

http://www.fordfocus.hu/albums/album...pic1.sized.jpg

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...-placement.jpg

http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/ima...iPer-Strut.jpg

http://www.justcar.org/wp-content/up...mb-717x477.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...3/Picture5.png

http://www.not2fast.com/chassis/revoKnuckle.pdf


double axis strut system/ revo knuckles in action

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/origi...12-11-0-29.jpg

http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg...ly-jumps-6.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PigHtBkokwA


I´m fairly certain almost all of the WRC cars have switched to a revo-knuckle style suspension by now, ford and citroën have been using the system for quite some time. (Two of the best in the recent years )

or this type of a double-'A' arm suspension
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...W5JpHmToiTJ2aD
http://image.modified.com/f/17349805...cus12_zoom.jpg

Sheeeet, if i had my car, id be in the market for some of that stuff!

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Originally Posted by MR2

when you start talking about suspension stuff I get a little worried about strength...I'd need to be convinced that they are very strong :p

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i will be using chromoly 4130 or 4140, i will give tensile strength and bernell hardness with what ever i use. So you can see for yourself the strength. lol. It will be stronger than stock.

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Originally Posted by mb7050

http://image.modified.com/f/17349805...cus12_zoom.jpg

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I was thinking something like your last picture here.

^That would be great !

I think the revo system is nice but would require alot of cnc work and i cant get that kind of work done very cheap. I Like the way it would adapt easy. But i believe it would also limit the struts to choose from.

the double-'A' arm setup is every bit as good as revo knuckle style setup even better IMO

You can put me on the list for the LCA... depending on price of course


also, i still want a tubular front and rear crash bar lol

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Originally Posted by markoverclock

I was thinking something like your last picture here.

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Close, more like this tho. It's much easier to see with a halfshaft in there.

http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...cd_gallery.jpg

yeah ok, I might buy that :)