Cayenne/touareg/q7 BBK upgrade (product idea)

brake caliper adapters for the Z18 (v10 touareg/cayenne turbo/Q7 ) front brembo 6 piston calipers that use 350mmx34mm rotors stock.
Porsche parts number 2003 - 2008 Porsche Cayenne turbo Z18 caliper use with 350-380 x 3x mm rotors
955-351-421-22
955-351-422-22
most common upgrade for the audi a4 b5 s rs.., porsches and for many VW concern cars,BMW's and japs too ...
cayenne Z18 brake upgrade B7 RS4
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/IMG_2286.jpg
cayenne Z18 brake upgrade FD RX 7
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/o...Picture292.jpg
374 x 34 mm front rotors Z18 brake upgrade BMW 335
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/BMW-13.JPG
345 x 28 mm rear rotors Z18 brake upgrade BMW 335
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/BMW_E90-3.JPG

Cayenne/touareg/Q7 Z18 calipers typically sell for $500-$800 for the pair online but if your lucky you can find them for even less than 500$

These calipers should work with any 350-380 x 3xmm rotors with the brake caliper adapters . this caliper is a common upgrade for the Porsche 930 turbo from 1981-1989 and they use 355 x 34 mm rotors
930 turbo brake Z18 cayenne turbo front caliper adapters
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images..._caliper-2.JPG
930 turbo cayenne Z18 front calipers fitter
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images..._caliper-1.JPG



I think evo x brake rotors would be a good choice, the price is very affordable and parts are very easy to source.
Floating rotors vs solids the choice is yours
http://www.lancershop.com/customer/p...cat=123&page=1
http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/g...ors-front.html
http://www.hopupracing.com/brfrcrropani1.html
or you can buy used rotors for very cheap

this is from 3si

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Originally Posted by paul_666

the evo x 350mm discs go straight on and are (from memory) 1.7mm closer to the hub !
the 330mm rears on the EVO X will bolt up, but they do not have the same handbrake as the 3000GT

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I think paul_666 remembers wrong evo x rotors are actually 1,3mm or so outer but that is only a positive thing IMO, more room for the adapters. the cayenne front calipers are much slimmer than our stockers so wheel fitment shouldn't be an issue.

rotor specs
EVO X__________________2g 3000GT
Diameter : 350___________314
Width : 32_______________30
Center Bore : 69___________69
Depth(offset) : 43,7_________45

cayenne stock rotor size for the rear is 330mm so evo x rotors are a perfect match for the rear too !
cayenne rear calipers could be bought for about 200-400 a set
930 turbo cayenne turbo rear calipers fitter
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/Cayenne_rear-5.JPG
adapter
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/Cayenne_rear-4.JPG




additional front caliper info:
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/sitebu...-1-600x450.jpg
18Z cayenne turbo caliper_____2006 cayenne turbo S front caliper 19 Z_____2008+ cayenne turbo 19Z caliper

Brembo 6 pot 17Z - pistons 34/36/38 total piston area = 3060mm2 cayenne s and some V6- V8 touareg Q7 etc these calipers use 330mm rotors stock
Brembo 6 pot 18Z - pistons 30/34/38 total piston area = 2750mm2 cayenne turbo v10 touareg v12 Q7 etc these calipers use 350mm rotors stock
Brembo 6 pot 19Z - pistons 32/36/38 total piston area = 2956mm2 cayenne turbo S and 2008+ these calipers use 380mm rotors stock..

19Z calipers are much much harder to find but I did note a set of used 19Z calipers sometimes sell for about the same money (500-800$) as 18Z calipers.

also what is worthwhile to note is that spare parts like pistons and rebuild kits are cheaper and easier to source for these ´cayenne´ calipers than for our stock 3000gt calipers!!!!

for reference stock 3000gt vr4 total piston area: 2721 (2g 314mm rotor)

17Z calipers would be an excellent choice too if someone wants to use smaller rotors like 330mm or so. many 17 inch wheels should fit very tight.. still a big big upgrade over stock calipers. 17Z calipers are also easier to source and cheaper.


Cayenne 17Z 6 Pistons brake caliper on a 335mm rotor
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/17Z-3.JPG
17" wheel
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/17Z-1.JPG

pictures from http://www.goingsuperfast.com/Cayenne-calipers.html


Touareg Brake Calipers (same as Cayenne)

cayenne brake upgrade ???? what rotors????

Two-piece rotor (Open Slot) - C63 AMG FRONT 08

24lb, 360x36mm...$600 for a set of Rotors.

FOOK YEAH :p

just add calipers :p

600 each

the Cayenne turbo uses 350mm rotors I think the evo rotors would be good match and cheap

Cool! let us know how it goes.

would love to get a set and just leave them the OEM black :) stealth big brakes lol

Project EVO X Part 2, Making Great Brakes Even Better!

wow the EVO X brakes look small :| I say look at the Q7/Cayenne side of things :p

FWIW with the cayenne calipers you can probably do SOMETHING to get a 360x36mm rotor set in there...so that would make me happy too :)

might want to look at the ability to run the brakes inboard as well! (would need custom knuckles or welds on the knuckles)

So what adapters do you need?

if he wants to move the Caliper to be inboard, you'll need to weld to the knuckle.

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Originally Posted by MR2

Project EVO X Part 2, Making Great Brakes Even Better!

wow the EVO X brakes look small :| I say look at the Q7/Cayenne side of things :p

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The caliper isn't much bigger than a VR4 caliper, but the rotors are bigger. With the SCE wide rotor kit and good pads you can pretty easily be as good as an Evo (or BBK) for significantly cheaper.

yeah exactly my point..stock brakes are pretty good! if your going to make all the effort of changing, you REALLY want something that's much better.

I wouldn't say the Q7/Touraeg/Cayenne brakes are much better either...

they appear to take a far larger pad and over 34mm thick rotor?

If you're on the track they might be better, but for 99% of 3S owners the stock brakes with good pads are fine. Yes, if you really want the looks and extra heat abating qualities a BBK can't be beaten.

ermmm...yeah.....???

Nice Avatar :D

I tend to forget that people actually do anything besides drive around on the streets in 3Ses... lol

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Originally Posted by DocWalt

I wouldn't say the Q7/Touraeg/Cayenne brakes are much better either...

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They are massive in comparison. Porsche overengineers a lot of their stuff, and the brakes are no exception, especially when they have to stop a 5k lb SUV that can do 160+mph.

I screwed up two sets of rotors on the street? :p

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Originally Posted by UTRacerX9

They are massive in comparison. Porsche overengineers a lot of their stuff, and the brakes are no exception, especially when they have to stop a 5k lb SUV that can do 160+mph.

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Considering R/T93 is running on the track with stock calipers with the SCE rotors and upgraded pads I'd have to say it's not at all necessary to upgrade to something so massive with that kind of weight penalty.

Yeah, these look "baller" and yes they have more heat capacity, is it necessary? There's a weight disadvantage, a cost disadvantage, asize disadvantage (you need to run bigger wheels), and the "you look like a ricer using Porsche brakes" disadvantage when you're not on the track.

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Originally Posted by MR2

I screwed up two sets of rotors on the street? :p

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Stop driving like an asshole or buy better rotors. I beat the piss out of my VR-4 on occasion and never once wrecked a rotor, not my OEM rotors nor a set of Carbotech blanks.

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Originally Posted by DocWalt

Considering R/T93 is running on the track with stock calipers with the SCE rotors and upgraded pads I'd have to say it's not at all necessary to upgrade to something so massive with that kind of weight penalty.

Yeah, these look "baller" and yes they have more heat capacity, is it necessary? There's a weight disadvantage, a cost disadvantage, asize disadvantage (you need to run bigger wheels), and the "you look like a ricer using Porsche brakes" disadvantage when you're not on the track.

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By that logic, it isn't exactly necessary to upgrade turbos to larger ones. I'm not arguing whether they are necessary or not, but compared to our stock brakes, they will outperform in every way. (Even regards to weight, the rotor weighs more, but the caliper itself is only slightly heavier than stock TT calipers.)

For those of you who want to do this, by the way, there are 3 different sizes of brakes for the Cayenne. The V6 gets a 4 piston caliper with 330mm rotors. (Still a good improvement over stock.) The S and Turbo both use the same brakes, but the caliper color is silver for some S models, and red for the turbo models, but it's the same 6 piston caliper, and 350mm rotor. Then there's the Turbo S, with an even bigger caliper, with 380mm rotors.

My advice would be to find the silver calipers, as a lot of people errantly assume that they are the V6 calipers, and charge less.

stop driving like an arsehole! oh nice.

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Originally Posted by MR2

stop driving like an arsehole! oh nice.

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:p yeah I'm a dick lol

yeah you are :p

my brakes kept cracking though....on the road I don't HAVE time to plan my corners...if a car suddenly appears on me around a mountain pass...YOU HIT THE FUCKING BRAKES! :p

not like on the track were you have all the world to plan out your braking etc.

Yeah but you shouldn't be going that fast :p I drive like an ass too sometimes, it's ok haha. There's this one on ramp onto the highway that's just perfect for testing the limits of grip... I've gotten nicely sideways in everything including my girlfriend's Accord haha.

I certainly see this as an awesome upgrade, but it's not got a huge advantage over the SCE kit for normal people (yes, including those who drive like asses ha)

yeah I agree, the SCE kit is awesome :)

the question is, if you need more than the SCE KIT...and you don't want to spend more than 2K...what are your options? even under 3k?

This kit :p For 99.9999% of 3/S drivers the SCE kit or this will be enough

ok I've checked the specs on these, and I'm officially intereted in the Cayanne Calipers. they take larger pads than the next leader up (the Audi RS4/6 calipers)

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Originally Posted by MR2

ok I've checked the specs on these, and I'm officially intereted in the Cayanne Calipers. they take larger pads than the next leader up (the Audi RS4/6 calipers)

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If you do go with these, let us know how you like them on a street car. My Cayenne weighs about 5000 lbs, and they are extremely grabby even for a heavy vehicle like that. So much so, that it can be difficult to come to a gradual stop without jerking your neck. I imagine it would only be worse with a lighter car.

Why not just buy a quality brake kit meant for this platform? There is no shortage of them...

Jason

I wish I would have saved for a Stoptech kit :/

I am still overheating the SCE wide rotors, I have XP8 pads and heat treated rotors, the slots are GONE after 3 track days, 70 degree weather, I dont get it. I bought these from a guy with a 94 VR-4 with 400 awhp (70 more than me) and he drove on his for almost a dozen days with HALF the wear I have got in 3. He was running 2 seconds a lap faster than me, too.

I forsee either a ducting system or saving for several months for a Stoptech upgrade :/

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The performance of the brakes is fantastic, NO FADE EVER, just very accelerated wear.

the heavy wear can be alot to do with pads...

same with the jerky braking on the Toureg...try different pad material?

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Originally Posted by JasonY

Why not just buy a quality brake kit meant for this platform? There is no shortage of them...

Jason

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the idea is you get badass brakes for cheap I mean like ~1/3 of the costs compared to a quality brake kit..


Cost
Calipers: $500-$800 (pair of front rotors)
Rotors: ~$240 for used (pair) $397.95 for new 1 piece (pair) $1200+ for 2 Piece (pair) (EVO X)
Hardware : $65-$200 I would guess
Brake Pads: $100-$300 Depends how aggressive you want to go
Brake Lines: $100-$300
Proportion valve: optional

the kit would be similar to this but far better
http://supercar-engineering.com/sc2/...roducts_id=101

993 guys(among many others) upgrade their brakes to these units

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Originally Posted by DocWalt

"you look like a ricer using Porsche brakes" disadvantage when you're not on the track.

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these are not only "porsche brakes" and you can easily shave off the porsche letters :p

Cayenne-calipers

Hmmmmmm!!

Think in the somewhat distant future I'll look at the 368x36mm rotor/caliper kit would be one helleva close fit under 18's though (so I need to get the 18x11's first)

should post this over at 3si for more discussion

R50 brake upgrade - Club Touareg Forums

oohhhh so shiney ;p

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Originally Posted by R/T93

I wish I would have saved for a Stoptech kit :/

I am still overheating the SCE wide rotors, I have XP8 pads and heat treated rotors, the slots are GONE after 3 track days, 70 degree weather, I dont get it. I bought these from a guy with a 94 VR-4 with 400 awhp (70 more than me) and he drove on his for almost a dozen days with HALF the wear I have got in 3. He was running 2 seconds a lap faster than me, too.

I forsee either a ducting system or saving for several months for a Stoptech upgrade :/

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The performance of the brakes is fantastic, NO FADE EVER, just very accelerated wear.

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I run IPS Slotted rotors and XP8s. I put them on just before NG, did the events, and have been daily driving the car since. Pad/rotor wear hasn't been that bad for me.

been looking to this on my Stealth for some time, and as matter of fact I have made a thread a while ago over the other site and got some weird answers.
a good friend of mine has these calipers on a Audi S4 B5(rs6 turbos) + some MB discs, and I can tell that this is a major upgrade.

I have a Cayenne S, 955, and thought about converting mine to these calipers. Just think that these brakes can stop the 2.5 tons from 250kmh, not to mention the Turbo that can go almost 300kmh.
IMO, The cheapest way to do that is to use the 955/957 calipers. S, GTS, Turbo - have the same 18" brakes and uses the same caliper for front and rears.
it is a different part number, just because of their color.
Mine, Cayenne S, are Grey - so all of them are running on the same 350(355 can be used also) mm discs, for the front, and 330 for the rears.
Now, there are some other bigger brakes for these cars, but that was just an extra option and I dont think it worth the effort.
The latest model on turbo, they've switched to bigger ones.
I have the PET (Porsche Parts program), so I can check if you want for parts numbers.
Don't really know the compatibility between Audi - VW -Porsche, but I can tell that they are using the same brakes.

The V6 models, and Touareg V6, also some Audi q7 - use a different 6 piston front calliper, a little bit smaller because they use a 17" brakes (guess they are called like that because you can use only bigger wheels than 17" or 18" - on my car 18" is the minimum I can get for winter).

the 18"- 18ZL Caliper - front brakes caliper specs: 30 34 38 piston setup and
the 17"- 17ZL Caliper - front brakes caliper specs: 34 36 38.

now the good part is that these 18ZL calipers have the original rotor = 350 x 34
while the 17ZL have original rotor=330x34

here is a picture of the differences on the mounting brakets:
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8...nnecaliper.jpg

next week I'll throw some pictures and specs of the rears also, as I'm going to replace the brake pads and discs on my wife's car.

I'd done this since months ago, but, believe it or not, I couldn't find some good, not so expensive and also floating discs(rotors) in my area, I live in Romania.
so if someone can show me from where I can get front and rear discs for this setup, I'll be happy to show you how it worked out :)

a set of 4 callipers, front and rear, I can get for maximum 500 eur, so it means that a full bbk should not go over 1500 and that is cheap, including the rebuilt kit, powder coating, adapters.
I would go for brackets made out of cast iron, as RS from Audi, AMG are doing the same.
The Porsche & Audi & VW calipers are Brembo.

you can find more info's on this subject over VW and Audi forums. in fact, there are several vendors for other platforms that are selling kits for these cars.


some pictures of these calipers installed on other cars, painted.
http://www.euroaddiction.net/Pictures/S4/brakes.jpg
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/a...ba441d_b-1.jpg

What kind of pads are you going to go with? I hate the OEM pads on my S, they dust like crazy. I've heard Centric pads and EBC are both great choices with no dusting.

I don't care that much for the dust, as here in Romania we have a lot :( .
anyway, my wheels are black. guess, it will be ATE or Bosch.

just have to figure out from where I can get the rotors.

following the road that other, platforms, went, I should ask:

Is there any OEM(Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc..) rotors available in 350-355 x 32-35mm, 5x114.3, also with an ET that might fit these calipers and our wheels?
As I said before, on other platforms, VW Golf they are using Mercedes rotors, from GL for example.

which model can be our donor?

Ilie

Evo X rotors are 350 x 32mm 5x114.3, same hub diameter too. Don't know about the right backspacing though.