budget? what's that? (seriously, though, i need some fuel rails)

long story short:

i gave myself a budget of 20k for my car this year. naturally, i suck at estimating the cost of stuff. bottom line is, my motor build is holding around 16k currently; and i haven't assembled, installed or tuned anything yet.

have a complete fuel system to go with this build, but no rails. and i REALLY don't feel like shelling out $100 just to make the stock rails compatible with -6an lines. does anyone have a good suggestion for a set of rails that will work with my build (note that i'll probably swap up/out in a couple years).

thx!

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Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

my motor build is holding around 16k currently; and i haven't assembled, installed or tuned anything yet.

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Damn!!! Who are you going to get to tune it?

probably topspeed in atlanta; same place milt uses.

heads: $2500
turbo kit & fmic: $4000
fuel system: $1200
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shit starts adding up REAL fast. :sad:

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Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

shit starts adding up REAL fast. :sad:

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Yes, yes it does :sad:

I just realized how much I've spent the last few years.

I have a folder I will never add up or even look thru!

...still need some inexpensive rails.... :mad:

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Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

...still need some inexpensive rails.... :mad:

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whoa, good thing you said that, i was about to offer you some Billet ones i have laying around.Attachment 2081

and how much do you want for those....or should i not bother to ask?

Man, talk about a build. I don't really know about many brands of fuel rails but I've got oohnoo's dual feed rail kit and they are nice rails he used. If I didn't have them I would probably get the ones by Pampena.

On a side note, what kind of engine and turbo kit you doing? I'm guessing with the bigger price tag, maybe a 3.7?

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Originally Posted by pos-vr4

whoa, good thing you said that, i was about to offer you some Billet ones i have laying around.Attachment 2081

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purdy!

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Originally Posted by 1992redvr-4

Man, talk about a build. I don't really know about many brands of fuel rails but I've got oohnoo's dual feed rail kit and they are nice rails he used. If I didn't have them I would probably get the ones by Pampena.

On a side note, what kind of engine and turbo kit you doing? I'm guessing with the bigger price tag, maybe a 3.7?

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it's a 3.5L. starting from scratch, ANY 3.5L 6g72 stroker is going to cost you a MINIMUM of ~6k; parts & labor--and this one is getting a nitrided/cryo-treated crank as part of the processs. not a huge bump in price, but it does add some.

add in the other stuff i already listed. then add up the little stuff like the 120k kit, alternator, etc. i'm not re-using anything on this build if i can help it.

You could get a welder to weld some aluminum 6AN fittings to the stock fuel rail. I bet a local welder would do that for 50 bucks and some cold ones. summit racing sells weld on 6AN fittings.

i'll keep that as option "B". thanks!

http://www.3sgto.org/f54/pampena-mot...ails-3256.html

ehhh? ehhhh ehhhh?

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Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

it's a 3.5L. starting from scratch, ANY 3.5L 6g72 stroker is going to cost you a MINIMUM of ~6k; parts & labor--and this one is getting a nitrided/cryo-treated crank as part of the processs. not a huge bump in price, but it does add some.

add in the other stuff i already listed. then add up the little stuff like the 120k kit, alternator, etc. i'm not re-using anything on this build if i can help it.

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Yea, little stuff adds up fast. I plan on having Ray build me a 72 stroker, soon as I find out if my 74 crank is worthy enough. Just gotta figure out some pricing.....

Good luck with the build man.

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Originally Posted by inperfectdarkness

...still need some inexpensive rails.... :mad:

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Let me know if you still need some. We make billet fuel rails. I can include them in the rest of the package deal for an additional 100.00
Machined fuel rails with .58 bore with -6 or -8 an fittings

are they new rails, or refurbed stockers? any pics?

p.s.

how's the rest of the stuff coming, chatz?

Quick hyjack, then I will go away...

If I am going DR750s and E85 Iam guessing I will need rails as well?

I should start a "Gonna do a dumbass thing" thread to start my list of shit my wife will kill me for!



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i'd say it's practically required. i don't know where the stock rails become a limitation, but my guess would be ~550cc injectors. they can work with larger ones, but it begins to be a restriction around that point. you hit the limit faster with ethanol, because you'll be pumping more of it into the engine.

i think my fuel setup (not including rails) cost ~$1300. jackhammer's dual-pump hangar, 2x supra pumps, fuelab fpr/filter, 2 y-blocks, 3 male/male fittings, and 20' each -6 and -8 lines.

$16k in an engine setup. Geez I don't even want to think about mine with the turbo kit and everything.

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are they new rails, or refurbed stockers? any pics?

p.s.

how's the rest of the stuff coming, chatz?

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lol no these are brand new rails made from raw billet stock. everything else is coming along pretty good. most of the time has been in the core . I wanted to make sure the pipes stood hidden as best as possible while keeping the core behind the crash bar without loosing its function. it has not been fun lol.

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i'd say it's practically required. i don't know where the stock rails become a limitation, but my guess would be ~550cc injectors. they can work with larger ones, but it begins to be a restriction around that point. you hit the limit faster with ethanol, because you'll be pumping more of it into the engine.

i think my fuel setup (not including rails) cost ~$1300. jackhammer's dual-pump hangar, 2x supra pumps, fuelab fpr/filter, 2 y-blocks, 3 male/male fittings, and 20' each -6 and -8 lines.

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Who told you that? Guys have been running 660's and 720's for years on completely stock rails. Running ethanol, sure, the volume of fuel goes up dramatically. But for an engine that just sees race gas or regular fuel, the stockers are just fine to run low 10's, and probably faster. If you need to up the pressure, it's just a matter of going with a pump and FPR that can handle it.

the stock rails are also designed to be used with -5an lines. keep that in mind as well.

Thanks whipping boy!

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Thanks whipping boy!

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iirc, chris (IPO) has dual pumps in tank, and dual pumps inline. i'm not suggesting you'd need to make that kind of power; but i am suggesting that on e85, dual tank pumps is probably a good idea. and at that point, you either need twin -6 or a single -8 feed. rails just makes sense at that point.

We started using IPS fuel rails for our NA as no others would fit. LoL.(last pic) but from that point on, that is all we use. There are adaptors to convert the stock rails to AN. That works well also.
Our builds require a look that is almost empty, so I like using the IPS rails for this and end up always buying their complete system. Not cheap for sure. But sometimes we just can't get away with cheap.
Hate up grading twice. Not good pics, but you get the idea.
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/S6306494.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/S6306005.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/r...d/S6302254.jpg

That Heineken catch can is cracking me up ... such a clean build though.