Calling all Star Trek Geeks

First off, let me start by saying we ALL knows that Trek > Wars, and everyone who hasn't believed that since at least Phantom Meance is a nincompoop.

Moving on. I'd like to proudly announce that I have officially watched. EVERY. MOVIE. EVERY. EPISODE. OF EVERY TREK SHOW. EVER MADE. In fact, the only thing I have left to watch is pr0n parodies and fan-fiction shows/movies. That's right. TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and all 12 movies.

Honestly though, let me explain WHY everyone should feel that Trek > Wars. Wars is simply fantasy fiction in outer space. It might as well be LOTR or something else, that's entertaining, but does little else. Trek on the other hand, has a message. The best Trek episodes ever, are almost unilaterally the ones that use the show as a "separate-from-reality" backdrop against which to hold a mirror up to the human condition and ask us to introspect. Chain of Command, The Inner Light, Let that Be your Last Battlefield, Dear Doctor, The Drumhead, Dragon's Teeth, The Visitor, etc--there are countless episodes that will grip you emotionally and/or force you to take a deep long look at who you are as a person (or who WE are as a race).

This is why I miss Trek shows more than anything else. Yes, I love the sci-fi piece of it, but even more than that--I love when Trek calls us out and holds us accountable for our own lives. Episodes like Chosen Realm are priceless in their ability to reflect what is happening around us currently with Islam. Long Live Trek.

I've seen em all except a handful of ds9's. I enjoy them but not as much as you lol. Voyager was better than I remember.

I was such a loyal fan of the original series, I had a hard time watching any of the spin offs. I have seen a few of the Next Generation episodes and the movies they did with that crew, but no Voyager, DS9, or Enterprise episodes.
I've even met James Doohan and Deforest Kelly at different times, years ago.

DS9 is still my favorite of the bunch--but that's only if you can make yourself watch them in order. It is by far the most serialized of all the shows, and it also has the most character development as a result. The interplay between Kira and Dukat, for example--would just be impossible to get that kind of depth out of any other series. Probably one of the reasons Sisko is my favorite captain; and I was a die-hard Picard fan before I started watching DS9.

+1 on the comments.

i threw in some kickstarter $ for this independent effort which looks like its comming along nicely. the full movie is hopefully due out this year.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ar-trek-axanar

here's the 20 min pilot they produced to convince people it wasnt going to be another
'JJ' special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA

I was bummed when enterprise was canceled. the 1st three seasons were marginal but season 4 (ignoring 1st and last eps) were great. some of the best trek stories.

I never watched Enterprise live but years later I watched them all and the last few episodes I was so bummed. They never finished the story :/

I grew up watching the original series, because my dad watched and was a fan. I was a semi-fan of TNG. It was one of those shows that I didn't necessarily have to watch when it was on, but I would stop when I saw it on and watch.

Original Star Wars Trilogy was way better than the Original Trek (including all the movies). George then had to go and F it up.

Star Trek and it's spin offs do have enjoyable shows. But for the most part, they're just preachy space soap operas.

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Originally Posted by guido1205us

Original Star Wars Trilogy was way better than the Original Trek (including all the movies). George then had to go and F it up.

Star Trek and it's spin offs do have enjoyable shows. But for the most part, they're just preachy space soap operas.

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And Wars is little more than a formulaic mix of Buddhism, underdogs fighting "big bad guys", and lasers. In fact, every derisive argument that can be leveled against Avatar can be levied at Wars as well. Some of us actually prefer a little substance in our media, what you yokels I guess call "preachiness".

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Originally Posted by guido1205us

Original Star Wars Trilogy was way better than the Original Trek (including all the movies). George then had to go and F it up.

Star Trek and it's spin offs do have enjoyable shows. But for the most part, they're just preachy space soap operas.

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Agreed, The original star wars was the best, but when you add up all of the wars vs treks there is more entertainment in trek.

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Originally Posted by IPD

And Wars is little more than a formulaic mix of Buddhism, underdogs fighting "big bad guys", and lasers. In fact, every derisive argument that can be leveled against Avatar can be levied at Wars as well. Some of us actually prefer a little substance in our media, what you yokels I guess call "preachiness".

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So what? SW is based off of mythology, story telling fantasy to escape reality, in which it succeeded. You want to compare the Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, etc etc to the SOT? Yokels have already spoken with their $$ and there's no debate who won. Hell, $$ wise Star Trek doesn't compare to the prequel turds. Even Abrams spins, while shit, broke from "ST substance" and actually revitalized the lore.

Take your politics, hidden agendas and shove it in your intellectual dark side. I watch movies and play games to temporarily escape the mundanes of reality. If I want to get preached at I'll go to church.

Besides, Bobba Fett. Serious Badass. End of thread.

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Originally Posted by green-lantern

Agreed, The original star wars was the best, but when you add up all of the wars vs treks there is more entertainment in trek.

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Possibly, but I would argue add up Clone Wars 1 & 2, The Clone Wars, Rebels and you're close to equal footing. Even the SWTOR MMO, while a incomplete WOW ripoff, is better than STO. Hell, even SWG was better.

Speaking of the games - there is no comparison. Practically all the ST games failed compared to SW games. With exceptions perhaps, to Elite Force or Star Fleet Command.

But, let's just bring it up now because someone will. The SW Christmas Special and SW Ewok Caravan - yes, those were stellar arts of work I admit.

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Originally Posted by guido1205us

So what? SW is based off of mythology, story telling fantasy to escape reality, in which it succeeded. You want to compare the Motion Picture, Wrath of Khan, etc etc to the SOT? Yokels have already spoken with their $$ and there's no debate who won. Hell, $$ wise Star Trek doesn't compare to the prequel turds. Even Abrams spins, while shit, broke from "ST substance" and actually revitalized the lore.

Take your politics, hidden agendas and shove it in your intellectual dark side. I watch movies and play games to temporarily escape the mundanes of reality. If I want to get preached at I'll go to church.

Besides, Bobba Fett. Serious Badass. End of thread.

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any TRUE fan of Trek will tell you that the TNG movies (and to be fair, #5 as well), are absolute dogshit compared to the series's. But as is typical of a superficial understanding, you seem to look at the movies as the meat & potatoes of the Trek universe. Not that I'm surprised by that--in your own words, you only want to escape reality, not be challenged intellectually. Meaning that if you play FPS's, you probably love COD and Halo--the bastard children who ruined the genre, though they may be.

Now I give you that Wars is good mindless fun, but there's also a subset of people--like you--who espouse the whole "escape from reality" thing, and then get wrapped around the axle on "CANON VS. NON-CANON" and the like. Like you want to escape reality, but you can't stop taking things seriously.

On the other hand, Trek fans usually aren't looking for "mindless fun" (again, I'll use you as a fine example). That's because Trek demands cerebral engagement. Anyone who takes Wars more seriously than The Expendables, and then derides Trek for being "too serious & too preachy"--has ipso-facto contradicted themselves.

As to your other dubious logic, 6 seasons of Clone Wars is equivalent to about 3 episodes of a Trek series--if we're just talking length. Rebels has 1 or maybe 2 seasons (I admit, I'm not watching...yet). Then you have (nearly) 7 movies. On the other hand, you have 28 seasons of Trek (3 TOS, 7 TNG, 7 DS9, 7 VOY, 4 ENT), and 12 movies (love or hate, they do exist). Extrapolated for 30 minute timeslots (22 min show), this is 56 seasons worth of content.

As to the games, mostly valid point....for everything LUCASARTS did. Lucasarts is now dead, cremated, buried, and pissed on for good measure. In the 90's (and probably up until ~Rebel Strike), they made some quality stuff. And then came abominations like Galaxies (arguably the most unbalanced RTS ever). In fact, one could argue that the best Wars games ever made was Lego Star Wars (although I'd still say it was Rogue Squadron 1). But of course comparing games is rather irrelevant, since Wars has existed for merchandising rights--from day 1. Trek (while it does have merchandising), is hardly the focal point for the Trek universe.

Last but not least, STO is still the absolute best space-combat MMORPG avilable--according to a broad array of sources. Eve, Wars, etc--NOTHING compares to STO. No way in H.E. double hockey sticks is any Wars MMORPG better than STO--and only a blind fanboy would dare to make that accusation. STO certainly has its flaws--I witness this firsthand. Yet it still delivers a quality product, far superior to Wars, imho. And it's nice to have a development team that HAS actually watched every episode of Trek, and finds ways to create tie-ins to established lore (and not just something tangential, which seems to be the case for almost every Wars game of late).

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I wasn't going to bring up the xmas special. The only thing that needs to be said about that is that it proves my point about Wars being all about merchandising tie-ins.

Man you make a lot of arrogant presumptions.

While some ST stories are good, I'll take SW, including Bioware's story telling over ST TV Series any day.

You made a post like that IPD telling the counterpoint they are taking it too seriously? K

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Originally Posted by guido1205us

Man you make a lot of arrogant presumptions.

While some ST stories are good, I'll take SW, including Bioware's story telling over ST TV Series any day.

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You're more than welcome to create a Wars thread and trash talk Trek there all you want.

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Originally Posted by R/T93

You made a post like that IPD telling the counterpoint they are taking it too seriously? K

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I never said I don't take trek "seriously". I mean, it is sci-fi after all...we all get that. At the same time, I don't decry something like Warhammer 40k or something else as being "too serious". "Serious" is fine--it's just laughable that someone would scoff at Trek for being as thus, while simultaneously taking their own fantasy-land series of choice completely hardcore.

As another point of contention, I'll remind our keyboard-raging Wars fanbois that Trek has the distinction of pushing scientific developments--whereas I can't recall one single advancement that can be pinned upon Wars fans'. Tablet PC's, Smartphones, quantum teleportation (look it up), bluetooth headsets, floppy disks, GPS, etc. The list goes on and on for things Trek inspired.

Bravo, IPD, bravo. Though, when you really analyze it, the original trilogy is damn near as deep as the Trek movies...but as you said, the meat and potatoes of Trek is its episodic storytelling, and in that line, DS9 and the multi-episodic "arcs" in Enterprise are superb.

Speaking of all Trek, I need to watch TOS and TAS (animated series) in order again.

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Originally Posted by guido1205us

Besides, Bobba Fett. Serious Badass. End of thread.

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Seriously.....

The guy that got taken out on accident by a blinded Han.... Name one thing in Cannon that he did that bad ass.

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Originally Posted by Alan92RTTT

Seriously.....

The guy that got taken out on accident by a blinded Han.... Name one thing in Cannon that he did that bad ass.

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Just the theory of his character is badass...and even the baddest badass can have some bad luck occasionally. And this is from a Trek-centric guy, too.

Badass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NQnac8Abk

and he became even more of a bad-ass after he shaved his head & grew the beard.

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Originally Posted by Alan92RTTT

Seriously.....

The guy that got taken out on accident by a blinded Han.... Name one thing in Cannon that he did that bad ass.

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That was GL's mistake on a missed opportunity. You have do have to go outside cannon to appreciate the character.

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Originally Posted by IPD

Badass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NQnac8Abk

and he became even more of a bad-ass after he shaved his head & grew the beard.

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Q episodes were of great entertainment value I'll grant you that.

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Originally Posted by IPD

You're more than welcome to create a Wars thread and trash talk Trek there all you want.

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Yawn, hardly worth the effort...I'm no fanboi for either as you incorrectly assumed.

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Originally Posted by Alan92RTTT

Seriously.....

The guy that got taken out on accident by a blinded Han.... Name one thing in Cannon that he did that bad ass.

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Lots of great warriors were taken out by stray bullets. lol

Shit his dad was so good they used him to build an army. WTF?

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Originally Posted by IPD

Badass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NQnac8Abk

and he became even more of a bad-ass after he shaved his head & grew the beard.

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I'll grant you that, still have a great appreciation for Fett though. As stated, they used his father as the basis for the clone army for God's sake lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syYge8MJTN0

Infinitely more respect if you said Wedge is the ultimate Bad-Ass.

:lol: that was great!!!