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BTW I do use a vacuum, but it just happens to be a Shop Vac
Speaking of vacuum...
http://aggro-gator.com/images/aggro-...otcom29093.jpg
you know, there was this guy who used to drive a vac truck for a living, and he wrote a blog thing, and it was epic good. Stories were awesome and well written. Don't know where it's at now, though.
I think I've seen that actually. It was a long time ago though.Quote:
Originally Posted by anyonebutme
except they're not. To my knowledge, no one uses centripidal filtration for bagged vacuums--which is where the magic happens. Without centripidal filtration, you're simply relying upon SOME FORM OF FILTER to catch the debris before it gets sucked into the vacuum motor. About the ONLY advantage a bagged vacuum has over a cannister vacuum is that people who are hyper-sensitive to dust have potentially less contact with it...when emptying the vacuum. Of course, if you overfill the bag, that's a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by HilbillyHomeboy
Why does dyson have removable hoses & stuff? So that you can clean every part of the system. On my DC07, I don't think there's any part of the "dirt flow" that I can't get to and clean myself (and I'm not talking shop-level maintenance, I mean simple DIY level Mx with pieces that snap/screw together).
Apart from that, do your own comparison. People love this or love that--but personal experience is really what speaks the loudest. For me, I don't want a vacuum cleaner that I have to move with two hands any time have to lift it. I also don't want to have to get creative with regular PM on it (no matter what type of vacuum you have, the brush will have to be cleaned regularly). Durability isn't really a problem with the Dyson for me--but then again, I treat everything like I had to scrimp and save to buy it. If you treat everything you have like you stole it--maybe a Dyson isn't right for you; maybe you should buy a 1950 Hoover vacuum.
As far as suction power? My DC07 will already lift an 5x8 wool area rug when I vacuum it...as well as carpeting, runners, etc. I'm not sure where exactly they hooked the "suction meter" up to the Dyson, but from the pic, it seems like the meter is hooked to the bottom of the Kirby, and to the top of the handle on the Dyson (which is where the hose is kept). Now I know that the Dyson functions so that the hose is powered when the vacuum is fully upright, but you're still talking about a longer distance than measuring from the bottom.
I do NOT have personal experience with a Kirby--although I can say that every other one of the dozens of bagged vacuums I've tried simply cannot compare to the abilities of the Dyson at removing dirt. I was skeptical about the price, but I got my DC07 Animal for $300--and it made me a believer in the technology. I think cannister vacuums get a bad rap because they were all thrown-together "me-too" ideas trying to imitate Dyson. The problem is that about 99% of them use internal filters inside the cannister--so they will easily lose power, making them far inferior to even a low-end bagged vacuum. Because Dyson "spins" the dirt out of the air, it doesn't require a cannister filter, which means the suction power doesn't change. Of course, this isn't the only method to accomplish this feat--but it is arguably the most simple & cost-effective method (I don't have to pay for bags (Kirby, Oreck), fill a can with water (Rainbow), etc.
The other thing I love about Dyson is the design. I'm not talking about the colors, etc. I mean that the hose on my DC07 is integral to the design. About the only thing that could potentially make mine better is an automatic cord retractor. Even still, the design is like a "transformer", where all the pieces you need to convert it to to hand-held, hose-operated--are functionally integrated into the design. This means that I don't have to occupy closet space storing hoses, attachments, etc. It's that kind of forward-thinking design that appeals to me. Sure it looks cool, but it's also functional.
Prove it. Notice how everyone is backing it up with professional vac repair-person testimony? You? Just your opinion and what the Dyson hype machine has spoon fed you. I have used every (reasonably attainable) major vac brand out there. I'm not promoting any brand(though I do use a diamond edition Kirby just like in the link that Nate provided), but Dyson is most certainly not the end all be all.Quote:
Originally Posted by IPD
Kirby vs. Dyson Vacuum Review
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFWeoxrhbE8Quote:
Here's some basics to get you started:
*Dollar for dollar, a bagged vacuum, when compared to a bagless, will always:
1) Perform better (Actual quality of cleaning).
2) Be in service for much longer.
3) Cost less to repair and maintain (Often including consumables).
4) Filter your air better.
Virtually every vacuum professional in the business chooses a bagged vacuum for their homes, because we know what quality is.
Jeremy
You get vaccum advice from Reddit? um....
Look, I get that he likes canister (I admit, I've been confusing the terminology, but let's stick to upright and canister). The problem is, a canister has suction loss over an upright--even with identical motors. And they don't have brushes...so they won't work anywhere near as well on carpet (especially thick pile) as an upright.
His punditry on bagless vacuums is apt...except that (as I mentioned above) it doesn't apply to Dyson because Dyson's use a different filtration system. So yes, they are head and shoulders above other bagless vacs.
As compared to bagged ones? Well I'll leave you to your own experiences. All I can speak to is what I know from MY experiences...which is that my DC07 did a MUCH better job than a bagged vacuum with a new bag--even to the point where I had done the room TWICE with the bagged vacuum, and the DC07 (the third pass) was picking up stuff like the room had never been vacuumed at all.
That's my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I didn't buy the hype--I decided to experiment for myself...and I'm pleased about the results. I swear, some of you people remind me of all the Windows 8.1 haters who still use Windows 7--even though they've never even tried 8.1.
I know somebody that owned a kirby and dyson, said the dyson was a gigantic POS and the kirby was a heavy POS that worked better. They have a cheapo shark vacuum now because it's easy to use, cheap, and works as well as the dyson.
Wow this thread is awesome. I have a cheap vacuum, its better than any dyson.
I had a dyson.........I threw it away.
The most effective vacuum wins, and the most effective vacuum has been Kirby, FOREVER.
Challengers have come and gone, and Kirby has defeated them all; Dyson is merely the latest.
Kirby's are heavy and cumbersome, moreso than other vacs - that has been the case since they appeared - the market sorts the duds and assigns the rankings, and, even with it's handicaps, Kirby is #1.
Carlos, I recommend you find a Kirby, then get your Dyson - turn them both on with the hoses connected, and soon your Dyson will be clean as a whistle. :p
Btw- it used to be you could buy enough accessories for a Kirby to build a house - that's a slight exaggeration, but I have one of the grinder-attachments somewhere; if I can find it, I'll take a pic. :)
so, Dyson is amazing because they use the same filtration cat and John Deere was using 70 years ago? wow.
Time to jump in on this thread about vacuums. (fucking ladies). I had a kirby growing up, that thing is a fucking power house, still is and it is like 20 years old. The dyson blows loads compared to the kirby. My $70 Eureka I use at home works better than the dyson my friend has.
The thing that kirby did was magical. It very well could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Where as the dyson as little bird lips.
ahh, i figured the trolls would eventually come out in force. $70 eureka is better? did you even plug them in first...or has your friend used his as a football? lol!
I'm a Dyson fan, but it has to be the right one.
Grew up with a really good hoover that just worked. Had it for years.
Since being on my own, bought and gone through a number of sub $100 vacuums. They ALL worked excellent for a year, then they would need to be replaced. Having pets will do that.
So, two years ago we sprang for the Dyson DC65, yes we spend $600 on a pink vacuum :( ) and would never go back. It has lived up to the hype. Works great especially with our mixed hardwood and carpeted floors.
Now, since we loved ours so much, Tiffany's Mom followed suit but wanted to go with one that was a little bit less expense and picked up sub $300 Dyson, I am not sure of the model, but she hated it! Returned it within a week. She loves ours but doesn't want to spend that much on a vacuum.
I really need to find out what model she had.
But I will say, the DC65 lived up to the hype!
-John
Ok, let's ignore the fucking industry professionals that do this day in and day out for a damn living(an absurd notion, but that's the game you're playing). What other vacuums have you used other than your Dyson?Quote:
Originally Posted by IPD
My list:
various walmart type units
rainbow
filter queen
dyson
kirby [contemporary and units from 50 years ago(still works, has never been down, and it even went into commercial service for a good 20 years)]
riccar
The only ones I haven't personally used are the two high end German units, miele and sebo. However, I don't need to. There's mountains of evidence out there about both brands that shows they are absolute top quality, like a riccar.
And, I use Windows 8.1. ;)
Jeremy
I had no idea the 3S community was full of vacuum fanatics. Wonder if this is popular in other car forums.
I want central vac.
http://i.imgur.com/uy4OD8h.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by 93STLTH
Waste of money. Too much hose = shit suction powa.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyB
Jeremy
I remember when I was a kid, my aunt had central vac. I cant remember how well it worked but I remember thinking it was really cool.
stuff i've used:
hoover
bissel
eureka
dirt devil
oreck
royal
and a couple others i can't recall off the top of my head.
I fully endorse uprights over everything else, and i stand by my assertion that my DC07 is the best upright i've ever used--bar none. i intend to buy a DC65 when i get back to the states, and i'll compare the two.
p.s.
john deere filtration cat? not sure what you mean. the foam filter on my DC07 is almost completely non-functional; it's almost not needed at all. Wash/dry/reinstall every 6 months. that's nothing.
p.p.s.
"industry professionals" are the people who are vacuuming conference rooms, exhibition halls, and hotels for a living. the stuff they use is hardly the same caliber or quality of what is needed for home use. and i certainly don't feel like paying $2500 for a vacuum of that quality. sure it may last literally forever--but i'm not interested in purchasing a vacuum my great-grandchildren will use. and the overall performance isn't much better (if at all) compared to what i've got.
I use windows 8.1 and 7. I must be a mad man!
I never said anything about John Deere.
I'm not recommending (and never did anywhere) that Joe Homeowner go out and buy a Miele. BUT, I also will not accept that Dyson > *. It's simply not. The fact is there is no unbiased, empirical, data that supports such. Especially once you get into the kind of money John mentioned ($600ish), there are better options. As far as professionals go, those are the people that work on, and use, them everyday. They know more than I could ever imagine. They all say the same thing, bagged vacs are superior. There is no logical argument against the overwhelming majority of those-in-the-know; only the dunning-kruger effect.
My Diamond Series Kirby will literally outlast me on this planet. I got an incredible deal on it( $428 :lol: ). I would never pay full retail for a Kirby, as it brings me full circle that in that price range there are better options. It's only real drawback is stairs due to the behemoth bulk that is a Kirby. Heaviness isn't a problem on flat ground as it has a transmission that self propels it. :D
Jeremy
We paid a stupid amount of money for our Dyson back in the day. Every time we had the carpets cleaned I realized just how bad the Dyson was. There would be clumps of wet cat hair everywhere. The carpet cleaners were not surprised by it after I told them we owned a Dyson. They said Dyson spent their money on design and marketing, not on utilization and performance.
And I hated emptying the canister during the winter. Emptying the canister is not something you can do in the house, unless you own some sort of magical trash vacuum.
The kirby sentria II is a heavy b*tch. I keep an old bagged hoover (which actually works better than the Dyson as well) downstairs and the Dyson in the loft. I'll bring the kirby up/down stairs to pick up what the other vacuum might have missed about once a month.
I once slung a Kirby through my dining room and kitchen, through an open door into my 2.5-car garage, where it impacted the far wall with great force.
One of the plastic wheels broke, but it ran fine.
There's actually a funny story behind that, but this thread is about vacuums, so.
Just get hardwood floors. /thread
I'm sorry, I thought you knew that Cat(erpiller) is a brand of heavy machinery.Quote:
Originally Posted by IPD
The point was agricultural and heavy industry machinery has used a similar technique to filter their engine's air for at least 75 years, Dyson didn't invent it whatsoever.
My brother bought me a dyson and we have one for the shop as well...so far so good. Always heard good things about kirby vacs though. If the dyson ever dies...im jumping ship to a kirby
Kirby vs. Dyson Vacuum Review
/thread. Kirby4lyfe
Took a poo in a dyson once, didn't suck up shit!
Yeah. How many times is that gonna be reposted in here? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NOMIEZVR4
Kev, I bought a Dyson because I wanted a vacuum....not a football. Maybe you can get :corey:'s recommendation on something that does both.
Gump, I never said Dyson invented centrifuge filtration. What I do know is that they pioneered it on vacuums. Hardly a new invention...but certainly akin to your car company switching to direct-port EFI when everyone else is using dual-barrel carbs.
So let me get this straight, all evidence points to Kirby being a far superior vacuum than a Dyson, yet IPD still insists Dyson > *?
Just because you like your Dyson doesn't make it the best ever. I mean, hell, we drive 3/S's, and even though we love them, we damn well know for sure that 3/S != best.
Carlos = Dyson, like AlGore = Global Warming.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealthee