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Been thinking about deleting it for the weightsave mostly but not sure if I will regret it in the long run. Why I made this thread.
Is it an advantage or disadvantage to have on the track? rainy/ or not
Also been wondering if it can be replaced with an aftermarket unit that is better and lighter. Ours is really heavy.
ABS systems are tuned to the car. If you put an aftermarket unit in, it has to be tunable, and that's some serious money for a car that isn't a serious track machine.
I'd make sure it even still works. Most of the time the pumps on our cars rust so bad, they won't even spin, so do a quick ABS stop and make sure it stays straight and stops well.
The biggest benefit of ABS is for panic situations, if this is a track only car, you probably won't need it. I can threshold brake better then modern ABS systems, let alone one that's 20years old.
IMO, if it's works and this is a street/track car, keep it. If it's a track only car, ditch it. It's not doing all that much to help you (like modern system that do dynamic proportioning).
alright thanks for that. mine looks to be in bad condition. lots of surface rust. But still works. Ditching all that weight up front sure is tempting though.
the Puma GTO didn't have it :scratchchin:
http://www.fictrading.com/ralliart3000gt/puma6g72.jpg
where is the ABS pump? I'd like to do the visual check.
see this vidQuote:
Originally Posted by gawdzinner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJvLw9KCgcg
it's in front of the front right wheel well
ABS sucks. I have never liked it on any vehicle that I have ever driven. ABS only works on flat, dry, non gravel/dirt surfaces. Other than that it makes stopping distances longer if it engages.
Abs on the 3s is sketchy as hell. No thanks!!
I've only heard bad things about the ABS system on our cars. However my experience is that isn't bad at all. I've pushed my brakes to the limit on the track both in wet and dry conditions with my XYZ 6-pot 355mm brakes.
I find that it doesn't engage unless you brake really hard and when it engages it does so very smoothly. Normally my ABS doesn't even engage when I'm on the track unless I really push it.
Also if you get a set of softer compound race tires the ABS can save you big money since those tires are easily get ruined by flat spots when if you lock up the tires.
Our abs is fine on the road.....except I don't like bow long it takes to reset. When you engage it on a bump or something....it won't turn off even though it only lost traction for a second. You'll never notice until you drive a new car and use its abs.
First time you drive in the snow or gravel, all bets off. That's just me though....I'm not the creep at 10mph in a snow storm guy, I'm the I got somewhere to be guy.
Having no ABS is fantastic until that one time it is actually usefull. Then you wish you had it.
I hear ya, I drove my TT this winter on summer tires and I wish I had deleted ABS so I could have modulated the pedal better.Quote:
Originally Posted by anyonebutme
I am 100000 times happy that my Stealth is ABS free. Never wished it had it. I would rather lock the tires up in an emergency stop situation anyway.
Rolling friction >>>> static friction.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealthee
I'm surprised it hasn't been an issue in my 99 with the stop TECs. It's still there and functioning for now. Going back and forth about deleting it. This is a street car but not one that gets driven in weather.
In the past, I've just deleted it (with OEM components) if it didn't work.
problem with that graph is no Y axis label.............it's possible for there to be a large drop in Mu when sliding, or a barely perceptible drop in Mu. AAAAAAAnnnnnnd it's tire dependent. Some tires seem to have as much grip sliding as rolling, and some drop off the face of the planet.
I plan on deleting mine simply because it does not work and never has, not worth spending the money to fix/replace all of it. I do believe that if you still have the ABS and it's working properly, no sense deleting it though for a street car.
I'm well aware, just throwing a picture at it. All of the street tires I've driven have very nearly as much grip sliding as they have while rolling. I've driven plenty of tires in video games where the opposite is true. I've never driven on a slick in real life, so idk how real that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by anyonebutme
I've noticed (not at all fact or truth) that the lower the threadwear the less that dropoff is. IE, Ultra High Performance Summer Tires have less dropoff than Economy tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocWalt
I've noticed (not at all fact or truth) that the lower the threadwear the less that dropoff is. IE, Ultra High Performance Summer Tires have less dropoff than Economy tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocWalt
I've never driven high treadwear tires in real life, so no idea how that plays out.
In the early days, ABS equipped cars had an on/off button so the driver could disable ABS while driving, this feature was later dropped on newer vehicles. If your ABS is still functioning, why not do the same thing? Add a switch that interrupts the ABS fuse. You can't reach down and pull out the ABS fuse during an emergency stop where ABS is making the situation worse, having a switch that is easy to reach would give control back to the driver.