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Not gonna post a video because it's pretty disturbing. Short story: A guy was recording some officers about half a block away (police were responding to a standoff or something) so they decided to approach him. Owner put dog in car, police begin to arrest the guy, dog jumps out of car and police shoot dog. What are your thoughts?
I am going to be that guy and say. Who cares, if a dog that size lunged at me I would react first to protect myself and ask questions later.
Dog should have been properly restrained.
Saw the video. He was legally arrested and should have secured his animal before approaching police.
LMAO, he wasn't a "half a block away"... it was walking less than 15 feet of the police cars. The cops he was talking smack to, prior to them approaching him, were less than 100 feet away.
How is one illegally arrested?
And if unknown dog comes at me I am going to defend myself. Had a large dog come at me once growling and being aggressive. Dog got a fist to the head.
Saw video. Cops were right. Need to see the video to understand.
Dog went into attack mode after the office tried to control the dog without force
Owners fault
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You guys must have watched the shorter video then. The cops were easily half a block away, the guy put his dog back in the car when they approached him and refused to let him control his dog when it jumped back out. I also don't see how he was obstructing justice by recording police officers in a public area. Sure you would attack a dog that was lunging at you (as long as the dog was formidable enough to even cause damage, which I'm sure this dog was) but why did they feel the need to come down and arrest him anyway? If all it takes is a black guy to distract a bunch of cops away from an armed robbery then I don't know how anything gets done in the city.
One of my co-workers neighbors had his dog outside one day when police arrived in regards to something another neighbor was calling about. They parked in front of her yard (my co-worker) and her neighbors dog simple walked up to the officers barking (completely normal behavior) before her neighbor could get to him. The officer pulled his gun and shot at the dog but missed. Later he said he felt threatened but was let go from the local PD. I don't see any difference in this case.
BTW, this is not the first time this particular PD has been in hot water for using this type of justice when people record them in public.
Cuffs were already on at this point. Once cuffs go on, they don't come off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictponder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WDBZr4ie2AE
Also, The police most likely had a boundary set up, which is why everyone else was across the street. This man was walking around closer than anyone else with a big dog. Those two officers were providing cover outside the home, and were being distracted by this man with a dog, walking to close to an active operation. So perhaps they were charging him with interfering. As you can tell from the video, those who are video taping him called him "crazy". Obviously they knew the boundaries and seemed to think this guy was pushing the officers buttons.
Also, the police officers tried to restrain the dog before they had to shoot it in self defense. As I said too, once cuffs go on, they don't come off. In addition, the man that was in cuffs, if he were bit by his own dog, while in cuffs, the police officers would be responsible (I know, unlikely, but true). The guy was being an ass, and was treated as such. His fault he didn't properly restrain his dog before going back to deal with the police.
Read my posts that pissed people off on 3si. The cops were absolutely in line. The perp was encroaching on an ongoing dangerous crime scene, creating a distraction that could/should be determined threatening.
I gave up the argument over there after the kindergarten commenting fool. If my reasoning seems off, do some research on police crime scene protocol. Not the same everywhere, but what happens in that vid is on par with most if not all... I ran this by 2 of the 3 cops in my family, both said no questions to be had. If someone wants more detailed reasoning let me know...
I would say 98% of people here are in agreement with you. Don't let idiots over there piss you off with there stupid, uneducated comments. More reason to avoid that place.
I AM a retired Police Officer. I have been in a situation where the area I was covering wasn't controlled and it almost got someone killed. By ME. I was covering the front of a house that a shooting suspect had run into. I was one of two officers that arrived first. While I was covering, a car pulled up behind me with two of the suspects brothers in it. (They DID leave in a hurry when I turned to the street with my shotgun pointed at them.) But, I immediately called for the street to be blocked off.
If the subject in this video crossed a police line to video, there is no doubt he was interfering with an officer and should be arrested. Which is what appears happened. If his dog got loose and attempted to bite ANYONE the officers are sworn to protect the public. And believe it or not Officer's are also the public.
p.s. It's good to see people supporting an officer. Most of the time all we hear about is when an officer screws up. THANKS.
Just for the record, I usually support the decisions made by police. My father-in-law is a state trooper and I respect his job a great deal. He has said on occasion that there is absolutely no reason why any officer should need to kill a dog unless it's suffering or your life is in immediate danger. I don't really like big dogs! I don't particularly like people who have rots or pits as they usually don't have them for the right reasons. I especially don't like people who test the waters when it comes to law enforcement - if this guy was breaking a police barrier then he was obstructing. However, I saw no reason why an officer, especially a male officer, felt the need to shoot and kill the dog. It was not attacking anyone, it was simply defending it's owner.
In defending, it attacked. Maybe I need to watch again, but just before the shots, it looked like the dog lunged at the officer, which means it was attacking, or at least appeared to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictponder
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how about pepper spray or a tazer? I mean a little spray and call animal control. guy was obviously a dumb ass and got his dog shot by being an antogonistic ass but I think it could have been avoided. I feel bad for the dog he was just trying to protect his guy. it didn't know what was going on.
First, can't tell if they tried pepper spray first, you can hear something and the dog crouches. Maybe they did use it? Second, doesn't look like they have tazers on them. If they did, would they even work on a dog? The prongs are designed for humans, not dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echo419
I would think they would work, it's simple contact and electricity. I don't see why it wouldn't work. also I don't think the dog would have attacked. it just looked scared. it lunged once before the lung that got it shot and it cowered back. I don't know protocol but I would have recgonized that the dog was going to jump out of that car and asked the guy to secure the dog so we could talk to him. since they saw the dog as a potential threat(they shot it after all) I would think securing the dog hanging out of the window would have been priority one. since they had not arrested him at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS VR4
but I get why they shot it. when you're out there you can't take chances but I think it could have been handled better.
When I ask of it would work on a dog, I mean would those prongs pierce the skin an stick? What if the dog has a lot of hair like a poodle. They may be taught to not even consider that an option with dogs. Their skin may be tougher, too much hair in the way, or any other factors.
Plus, like I said, I don't think they had a taser on them anyway.
That dog's owner got him killed. He never should have been where he was, and was interfering with the police. My dog would have done the same thing if he saw me being put into cuffs, it's the fault of the stupid owner for not securing him. Can't blame the police for not wanting to be a chew toy. About the only thing I can fault the police for is that if either of them had a dog, they should have realized the dog would jump out of the car, and told the man to go roll up the windows and secure the dog first and then arrest him.
true. but spray would have worked for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS VR4
totally agree. but hindsight is 20/20Quote:
Originally Posted by UTRacerX9
I've seen videos where OC spray doesn't work on humans, I wouldn't trust it on a hunch with a dog that is trying to attack me.
if anything dogs are more sensititve because their hightened senses.
How pepper spray works.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-i...pper-spray.htm
did n't even need to hit the dogs directly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxMnMxZ4GQ