Damn punk kid...
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Definitely, that’s what it was.Quote:
Manslaughter at a minimum
tried as an adult too.
wow.
i read that figuring the whole team had beat the hell out of him, but one dude just punched him. musta been one helluva hit.
having grown up playing soccer, i can recount multiple times where people went after the refs. once (just like you would imagine in a movie) my team and another team went at it, and it got very out of hand very quickly. i didnt really do anything but some other players on my team got some hits in and vise versa. thats like a 20 on 20 brawl for those that are unfamiliar with soccer and how many people are on the field.
im not surprised its a growing problem. have you seen how parents act?! its embarrassing.
Murder. Plain and Simple.
Exactly, all the spoiled shits are parents now.Quote:
Originally Posted by futurevr4man
Aye, and that story gets older all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by futurevr4man
Parents are generally damned poor examples when it comes to youth sports + their own kids.
Oh, I don't think so, Jeff.Quote:
Originally Posted by eljefefx
Not legally, at any rate.
After reading the article, i cant help but wonder what medical conditions some of these people have. I mean it sounds like single hits causing these injuries and this death.
Dude has already had ribs broken and his leg broken...damn.
Jason
This is one of those no-win things. There are specific, serious charges for this type of thing, but no one wins. Shitty situation. If anything, the punishment should be something along the lines of 25-50% of the offenders pay/income for 20 years. The offender must maintain employment, with gaps limited to 3 months max, or he will be sent to prison. I'll bet he would keep employment, and at the very least the family gets some sort of compensation. Just sending him to prison would just cost tax dollars, and no one wins.
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Its awful the ref died, I actually think its a shitty deal on both ends. The family of the ref will be troubled for life because of this, his children lost their father and I cant imagine what they are going through. At the same time, even though it was wrong to hit the ref, there is no way this kid intended to kill the ref with one hit, its unbelievanle to think you you kill someone so easily. So even though he shouldnt have taking a swing like that, I cant help but think he never even considered that he might kill the ref.
Its clearly manslaughter, but should probably carry a fairly light sentence. Ruining the kids life more than it already has been will not bring back the father, family member or friend.
Corey - and that's how they think. I'll just smash this guy in the mouth and let him know I'm pissed off thanks to his poor call. Back when I played footy, never ever ever did I ever think I would lay a single finger on the umpire. EVER! I didn't even swear at him as usually that would mean extra penalties. (plus I was a good Catholic boy) I'm with jefe - murder for this kid and hopefully life in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyB
Scotty
scotty, you have never gotten in a fight, for any reason? even if you didnt swing at someone, have you ever been in a fist fight?
I definitely do not condone hitting the ref or anyone. It was wrong and he definitely should be punished, a punishment far more harsh than the average penalty for fighting. I just dont think the intent to kill was there, maybe I am wrong though.
this. if the prosecutor is smart he'll charge the guy with involuntary manslaughter. that'll be a slam dunk. the guy wasn't trying to kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
edit: if they go for murder the guy will walk.
Sometimes it seems that's the PA's aim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echo419
this guy I worked with accidently shot and killed his friend when they were drinking and playing with a gun while playing cards. the PA wanted to make an example of this rich white kid from Alpharetta and go for Murder. kid walked.
I'll bet the PA didn't learn a damn thing, though. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Echo419
probably not. such is the case with racist people. they're blinded by their hate to the facts. who knows who else will walk or get away with lighter sentances because of tactics like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Nonetheless, I am heartened by the occasional bits of news from GA that indicate sense isn't totally dead, yet. :)
It is not an accident.
what's not? the ref getting killed? because I'm pretty sure the guy wasn't trying to kill the ref otherwise he would opted for something more dangerous than his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by a2j
thats an awfully big comment to say without backing it upQuote:
Originally Posted by a2j
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Originally Posted by Echo419
If someone gets killed playing Russian roulette, is that an accident? I guess this comes down to matter of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by futurevr4man
I know if I was to hit someone, it would never occur to me that I may kill them. Clearly its a possibility, just extremely rare.
i am definitely aware of it. it doesnt take that much to kill someone honestly. crush their trachea, sternum, temple, or break their arm and their marrow comes out and kills them, or any of the other random ways. its why i dont like to get in fights.
however, i very highly doubt he meant to kill the guy. i mean, it is extremely rare to have someone get that upset over a foul, much less desire to kill the person over it. like corey said, its a lose lose situation.
with all that being said, i dont think he should get off easy or light by any means. i dont, however, think that his intent was to kill, and that treating him like he is a full blown assasinator is fair either. idk wtf i would do if i were in the judges shoes.
But you can't expect that hitting someone would mean a pleasant experience for the person that you are hitting. The purpose of hitting is rather obvious, to deal some (small or great) physical damage. Without knowing person's physical condition, that could lead to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyB
The ref and his family dont get a second chance, why should this punk?
he's running around on a field of an atheltic contest with contact. pretty sure that's a clue he does not have such a fragile condition that he is aware of. you'd have to prove intent to kill which I don't see a single shread of evidence suggesting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by a2j
Manslaughter is fair, possibility of voluntary manslaughter... he may not have intended to kill him, but he did intend to inflict bodily harm.
I guess it will depend if the kid has a history of violence.
I am in no way sticking up for this kid, I just feel the incident should be treated in a fair way. Murder, to me, is going way to far. I am sure the refs family and friends would understandably feel differently.
easy manslaughter charge. kid needs to be punished hardcore. we don't need no stinking kermit washington's again.
We could ban soccer to keep everybody happy...
Ban the entire World's favorite sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by a2j
We'd probably need UN sanction to even do it in the US - I'm sure it would be regarded as an act of war.
I'm sure UN will be happy to eliminate all kind of entertainment from the US. Because we deserve it, remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by dbest671
It's a shame though that a one second bad decision was so tragic. He does need to be charged with involuntary manslaughter at the very least. People need to be responsible for their actions. Seems like these days there is always an excuse.
i'm glad you're joking...Quote:
Originally Posted by a2j
this is why I'm so hesitant to fight with anyone. I'd say there's a fair chance if I was angry enough I could kill a man on accident fairly easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by green-lantern
Bad things happen much too easily to be throwing dukes at the drop of every hat. :wink:
Jean-Claude Van Damme could easily round house a man to death :lo5l:Quote:
Originally Posted by Echo419
Yeah it's not like two 11yo scrapping, when people get 16 + they start to pack a punch, especially somebody like you that spends half their time in the gym.
Accidental homicide carries a max 5 years though he'll probably get a little less being a juvenile.
try and put yourself in the kids shoes. ever been mad and got into a fight or hit someone? I have and if I hit someone and they died I would be devistated. just sayin', not excusing it.