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His car weighs about the same as a stock 2g Dsm. The automatics are also way easier on drivetrain components as they are all preloaded on the launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Streamln1
An added bonus feature is that breaking Dsm parts is really cheap anyway.
So far so good. Even with welded center diff. I've launched it ~100 times on the street. Track with more grip may be different story. May buy a brace which is supposed to help with the tiny tail shaft. As Donnie said, my car is down to 2g DSM weight and there are a few pushing a lot of power near my weight. I've got some easy weight to pull out yet. Full stereo system with three amps;) 18/19" street wheels and tires. Auto is easier on drivetrain and I also have my launch setup to be slightly soft for just a split second, before all the timing and boost comes in hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Streamln1
Car trapped 128 at the shootout at only 28psi. Much more than I expected with auto and restalled converter. I've run up to 38 on the street. 38 is A LOT more fun than 28. Only ran 11.8 because I didn't have enough fuel in the stock tank and kept running lean in first and hitting my AEM safety features for lean out protection which cuts fuel entirely. Spent a ton of time not accelerating (logged 1.1 secs of fuel cut.) Hot-lapping for max effort class runs, so no time for more fuel.
Also super soft launch because I was nervous with hot-lapping and kept forgetting to neutral rev to get vacuum for brakes and would pull through before I got to my launch rpm and boost. 1.8 60ft is soooo soft compared to what it will do on the street. Would've hit fuel cut anyway so doesn't matter. Installing a vacuum pump for brakes, triggered by brake switch so I never have to worry about it again.
Unfortunately, an oil filter backed off and blew the gasket a few weeks ago, losing all of my oil before I noticed. Currently assembling a 2.0 for more revs in preparation of hopefully more trap speed. Oil filter will be clamped so it can't back off.:D
I think it would be fun to play around with an auto from an awd 3/s
Ditto on the dsm parts being cheap
So how did you handle the axles etc obviously not being the right length?
From my build thread on other forum....
The axles are still a hair too long to be perfect. Bought some DSM axles that are 3/4" shorter to play with swapping CV cups. (Hub splines are smaller on DSM.)Quote:
Originally Posted by eengler2
The gearing of the autos isn't great for a 6g7x. But there are custom transfer gears that don't break, and have different ratios available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Streamln1
The auto awd 3s transmission is the same as the dsm transmission. They just have different bellhousings.
Yeah, I figured that out a while ago, the auto discussion has came up a couple times, If I were building a drag only car I would probably consider it. Driving a stick is just too much fun. Funny how many more AWD options there were in Japan.
I can make a believer out of most people for auto with a quick blast down my road. It's a lot of fun to shift at 9400 rpm with no pause in acceleration or boost for the next gear. It's a riot.
Don't get me wrong E, your car is a riot and the auto makes it feel even faster than it is. That said, I'd probably still take a manual for my kind of driving personally (probably because I have no interest in trying to spin a 6G up to 9k+ RPMs). I would say however, that if more people rode in that car, there probably would be significantly more auto AWD cars in the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by familyMAN
U using beehives for that rpm range? Im rooting for ya man..its a weird build but the dsm parts are a plenty and thats an easy motor to build
I have driven my car at approx 5-550awhp on 4g auto, 3.0 6g auto, 3.0 manual and 3.5 manual. I would say 3.5 manual "felt" the fastest/most powerful because of torque, but the autos would be quicker in 1/4. With auto, you don't get the re-torque of head and body on each shift. Now the 4g auto at 600+ definitely felt faster but that's not a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by sergechronos
I just can't get enough of a launch and the 1 to 2 shift. It's an addiction. That's what I think everyone should experience before calling an auto boring. We'll see how quick it actually is when I hit the track this spring. I don't have the 2.0 launch dialed in as well as 2.4 was yet. Need some warmer weather. Roads have been too damp or cold.
Yes kiggly beehive HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Streamln1
It's a good weird:D
For what it's worth I rev my 4g to 9,000 with just upgraded springs and stock steel retainers. If I have any issues at higher boost, 45ish psi, I'll go to the kiggly's with steel retainers.
I'm anxious to see what you can run with the 2.0 cranked up.
Autos can definitely be fun! I originally had a 4l80e beast of a transmission for my build but opted for the manual to make it less hot rod swap-ish. Only time auto's get boring are 3rd gear and beyond.
Someday Ima snag a ride in a badass DSM...:p
You should go to the Dsm shootout. It's in Northern Ohio, so it's not a bad trip for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
When is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by donniekak
This is a horrible time to forecast anything for the new year, but I gotta start somewhere...:p
The Shootout, 24th annualQuote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I'll probably go this year. If I run my car it would be in stock appearing. Pretty sure the car in this thread, and a few other 3s's will be there as well.
Nice, thanks, donnie.Quote:
Originally Posted by donniekak
Now, let's see if I can do something about it. :p
Two of the pics in my sig are from last year's shootout.
And yes, I'll be there. Can't give you a ride in a DSM but I can in a 3SM. ;)
A 3SM, lol
I'm not sure which class I'm going to run yet. Max Effort was fun, but I need more front tire for autocross and can't run nitrous. No turbo limitations, so I could swap to something smaller than I have now for autocross, and back to HX40 for drag since I should be able to get on converter without nitrous, just slowly. Had about an hour between autocross and drag last time.
Because I am installing lexan in my fiberglass hatch, that eliminates me from Street Eliminator and Street 32. I could always re-install factory hatch/glass for a weight penalty (I'll be heavier than all competition anyway), but Nitrous for stalling up isn't allowed as well. Quick 32 is where my car will fit because of those two mods, but I am waaaaaay outgunned there on power and weight.
Nice thing about my setup is that a turbo swap is super simple and I can actually re-configure my whole setup fairly easily. I'll decide once I get closer, but ideally, I may run Max Effort with HX35 for autox and HX40 for drag and also run Quick 32 with something in the 67mm variety with nitrous to launch. Both ME and Q32 allow for lexan and gutted interior. I could even swap between full exhaust for ME and side-exit for Q32. I purposely built almost everything with Vbands and 5min swaps;)
Won't be competitive in any of it vs the purpose built shootout DSMs, but it will be fun! I highly recommend more 3S participation, not just spectating.
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Won't be competitive in any of it vs the purpose built shootout DSMs, but it will be fun! I highly recommend more 3S participation, not just spectating.[/QUOTE]
that last line is for me, isn't it? :D :p
Yep, figured you were lurking:D:tongue2:
if a full on 3s NG continues to dwindle and eventually cease, I think the DSM shootout followed by maybe one day of 3S specific stuff would be a great alternative.
Shootout is very well put together and the car porn is strong! Unbelievable amount of badass cars. We had a great spot for tow vehicle, tent and 3SM 001 in the "pits." Met a great owner, Rocky who had a clean 1g, twin 16g car in autocross and tnt drags so he joined our camp.
I'm hopeful we can get a bigger group of 3S making a showing next year. There may be one or two additional 3SMs participating too. :suspect:
Didn't they ban 3Ss several years ago because we were embarrassing to the Mitsubishi badge? :p
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Lol, that's because they take more than $5k to modify. If you spent more than $5K total including the car itself then they look at you funny. Lol just a jab at the DSM guys
No torque, but it's a good start...Quote:
Originally Posted by AudibleSilence
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BTDTQuote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
http://farnorthracing.com
Since you bumped......
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Upgraded drivetrain parts just came in from Jeff Bush:D Jeff just broke the AWD dsm ET record with these by running 7.64 at 185 this weekend. Crazy.
Need my car 1000lbs lighter!
Hey! A couple pieces of my 94 were in that thing once upon a time.
He lives! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DG
There you go, Eric! :D
Hey that's a porche dyno sheet! :suspect:
LMAO Nice run! Who'd A thunk!!!! :highfive:
Well, I thunk it;)
Stock looking exterior (except better with painted snake eyes and FMIC with fogs), full exhaust, all seats front and rear, carpet, all interior panels from back seats forward, full cage, and still having fun on the street at 40psi after running 9's on just 34psi:tongue-new:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzRy_-6b5OI
Oh, and that's all on an evergreen brand composite head gasket. lol. I DIY oringed my block and had my head machined for hardened steel inserts so that when I torque the L19 studs down to 110 ft/lbs the aluminum doesn't yield/smash down, reducing the clamping load.
And can't forget...self tuned on AEM ;)
But heavy car small engine downgrade!
I just love this build, can't wait to see how many more 4g swaps pop up now haha
Keep up the badass work man!