Since Emilie wants to talk about it: her sig. This is a good ol' Drama Thread!

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Originally Posted by Emilie@GZP

We got back on to 3si, because Cianci told us how Shaun, (midnighthaze), got back on 3si. He paid to be a vendor, and was given his posting privileges back. So, we did the same thing.

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Sounds like there is/was a lot of misinformation and miscommunications going on. I don't want to make this thread about me, but I didn't pay a single cent to get back on 3si. When Cianci hired me, he contacted AF, on his own, to have them add me to his sponsor account. I thought it was a bad idea, so I messaged Alan just like you and Hans did, before going public with it.

I really wish AF would get on the same page as the mods over there, it would have saved everyone a lot of grief. But if it weren't for that, I guess 3SGTO might not have existed.

I needz a piss break...

Play nice and resolve it so I have nothing to come back to please?

FWIW, GZP is cool with me. Hans and Emilie both were great to work with on a trade deal we did about a year ago. After the fact, they truly bent over backwards and went above and beyond, which is where it really counts, IMO. I think anyone that knows me on/offline knows that I am very vocal and direct (to say the least) with my opinions and experiences, so.....

and he makes a bangin calzone!!!!!

I've bought and sold to Hans for years. Well before they were back on 3si even. Not one deal has went awry.

When I rocketed my second diff and had no back up parts and really no money to get the car back on the road, Hans bailed me out. I gave him some parts I had and he gave me a diff, a bellhousing, and put a trans together for me so I could get back on the road.

When Hans got stranded on the PA turnpike with a messed up transmission I had no issues gathering tool and parts and driving the 2 hours to where he was to try to get him back on the road. When things were found to be worse than we thought I had no problems taking them back to my house for the night and arranging a way to go back and pick the car up and tow it home. Hans paid me far me than what I deserved for my time and help and tried to pay me more.

Never once have I had an issue with GZP and don't ever anticipate one. I know if I ever get stuck on something Hans is just a phone call away and is always more than willing to help.

Whats my point with this post? Its that Hans has character and even a little bit of integrity, just a little :p. Thats not something that can be said about everyone. Their reputation has been so skewed by old info and devious mods that things like this come about. Its time for people to wake up and realize GZP, while not perfect, is a good business and is here to stay.

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call...

If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan

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And that is the point of my original post, a drama thread did not need to be created. That said, that was a stand up post on your part. I hope you guys can work things out.

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call.

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Other people brought it there. It was clearly not the intention of the thread, but it should have been clear that it was going to happen at one point or another.

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

The degree to which you have maintained documentation and undertaken independent legal research about those issues is very impressive I am sure. I'm not "sua sponte," so to say, bringing any of that up, none of it.

If you'd like to discuss your impressive documentation and independent legal research in this thread, that's fine. Like you said, things have changed at GZP. If business is good and customers are happy, that is fantastic and I am incredibly happy about it.

I'd be more than happy to retract any statements I made (e.g. delete this thread - it's the only "public" disclosure of anything I've ever said about the issue) if it turns out they were based on false information. In fact I'd prefer that, since I hate to think that anybody was cheated out of any money and I hate even more to think that I have been basing my impression of everything on false information.

I only ask that you please don't post any more "libel" about me personally. (I'll spare you the results of my own extensive legal research since it really isn't the issue.)

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Truth is an absolute defense against libel. Not taking any sides on this, just stating an absolute fact. Best way to avoid libel? Have a paper trail of conversations. No phone calls, no recording phone calls. That opens up even more sketchy legal doors.

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation, and hopefully (2) try to find a way to play nice with you. You and anybody else can call me a douche to your heart's content so long as it's based upon a complete understanding of the situation - in this case, the fact that I was simply using the facts as I understood them at the time in the best way possible to protect the members of the forum I signed on to moderate.

I have never publicly posted or otherwise "published" anything at all, especially not anything nearly as defamatory, personally, about you. I've been very careful about that. We don't have to get along, but I'd certainly prefer to avoid the personal drama, and I don't appreciate any manufactured attack on my character.

If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan

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Then why even post, if you would have preferred to resolve the issue in private? Seems like a more logical solution would have been to discretely email Emilie and/or Hans in order to resolve the issue or find an outside and impartial moderator rather than start an unnecessarily public debate as this clearly devolved into (allowing lurkers like myself to get involved)

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Originally Posted by UTRacerX9

And that is the point of my original post, a drama thread did not need to be created.

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Well, I guarantee you that I wasn't the only one to unfairly judge, label and set aside GZP... It's not like we don't have plenty of drama in the political threads, might as well have a little out here :p

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Originally Posted by sketch

Then why even post, if you would have preferred to resolve the issue in private?

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I think I can answer that...

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation...

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Originally Posted by AdamVR4

google: The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity.

haha

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Shoot im in trouble lol