That won't work well when it comes to applying the credits. She'd need to have her own registration to make that work properly.
That won't work well when it comes to applying the credits. She'd need to have her own registration to make that work properly.
She does
and the site crashed before my "Ah HA" understanding what you meant.
Yeah, I thought about new VOTING members "WifeofDoghouse" and DogofDoghouse" but didn't think other members would be interested in a Rav4 being on the track or yellow tires. So I decided to let it ride - It is what it is.... Besides, they both bitch about the noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fnloud
I'm guessing everyone would like to know what city won... First, here's how this works.
If the city you voted for DID NOT win, then you should PM me (or email me, but please don't just post it in the thread and expect me to catch it) with your intentions. Your choices are to either take a refund of your voting amount or to apply it toward your NG16 registration, IF there is an NG16. The decision won't be made until we know how many people are willing to commit. IF we decide there just isn't enough interest, then we'll refund all funds, regardless of intention. If there IS going to be an NG16 and you choose to apply the funds, you'll get an additional 10% credit BUT it's also non-refundable. For those who voted for the winning city, your voting monies will automatically be applied to your registration (with the additional 10%), and it's automatically non-refundable if we have an NG16. Let's hope that makes sense. When you PM me, PLEASE include your first and last name and the number of votes you placed. ONE PM is enough - please don't send multiples. That just keeps happening...
If you decide to commit then later are unable to attend, you can transfer your registration to another person, for NG16 only (you can't just save it for another year) for a small fee (usually about 10-20%, depending on how late it is in the process).
With 99 total votes, the winning city is....
INDY.
Michigan had a total of 22 votes, and Pittsburgh had 77.
The plans so far for NG16... I think these are really important to know. For the first time in 5 or 6 years of trying, we've found a group that's interested in teaming up with us for a road course event. This is HUGE. It removes a gigantic financial burden from us and gives us the ability to make some other changes to the event. It means that I might not be able to do things the way you want them, but it also has a huge impact on whether or not there is an NG16. This is truly a game-changer. If that all works out, the event will be held at Putnam Park. We're currently aiming for June 21-26 for the overall event. I'll have to keep you posted, though. It'll depend on when we can make this collaboration work.
Next year is the 25th anniversary of the year the Stealth was supposed to be the pace car for the Indy 500. I've already worked it out so we WILL be able to do another pace lap. This one will be a little different than last time, though. We would be renting the track for a certain amount of time, then run pace laps during that time. I don't yet know what the speed limits would be. Depending on how many cars we have, everyone would get AT LEAST two laps, as opposed to the one we got last time. At least that's my understanding of preliminary emails.
As you can tell, while you've been voting I've been very busy trying to make some of the arrangements for NG in any one of the three cities. I'm please to see that Indy has won, primarily because so far it's been the easiest city to plan. We still have lots of work to do, so the sooner I hear from everyone, the sooner I can get some things solidified. I'd appreciate your PM's (or emails are fine, too) at your earliest convenience. No decisions will be made until we hear from EVERYONE who voted for either Michigan or Pittsburgh. My goal is to have all refunds done no later than August 15th so we can have a week or so to make the final decisions. I hope you'll help with that by simply making your decision and PM'ing me.
The final announcement about NG16 will be made prior to August 25th. I'd like to make it earlier rather than later - I'm running out of summer months to finalize everything, so I REALLY need your help here... Please PM or EMAIL me soon. Thanks so much for understanding.
What was the total # of voters in the end? Indy really grabbed some last minute support!
Damn, really thought Pittsburgh had it. Oh well. Hopefully there is at least an NG16, regardless of where it is.
Total voters was 47. 22 for Indy, 5 for Michigan, 20 for Pittsburgh. Close!
Interested in the attendance numbers from this year?
That sounds great Lori!! The possibility of getting back on the IMS will definitely help to draw additional attendees. I'll start working on these lame Florida owners and see if I can't convince a few to take advantage of this great opportunity. (Can't call it once in a lifetime anymore!) :thumbup1:
For people who have never done it but will next year if we have NG, they can probably say "once in a lifetime." :) Honestly, I'm still a little stunned that we're going to get to do it again. It was so hard to plan the first time, but this time we have a history with them... I guess that helped.
I'm getting a TON of questions again, so here are the answers you're looking for. Maybe by posting them we can cut back on a few PM's. :)
1. Since Pittsburgh was second place, will you go back there for 2017?
A: We don't even know if there's going to be an NG16 yet. I definitely wouldn't count on an NG17. At this point, I think we should treat each year as if it's the last.
2. Can I apply my NG16 refund to NG17?
A: No. Refer back to question #1. But also, this was done to raise seed money for NG16 and to see if it can continue. Applying them to NG17 would be an accounting nightmare.
3. When will you decide if there will be an NG16?
A: Once all of the people who voted for Michigan or Pitt have contacted us one way or the other and we know how many people are committed. We didn't get the number of voters we had said was our drop-dead minimum, so we're really on the fence. As I stated before, the chance of collaborating with another group is a factor. There were some other things that happened this year that give me a lot of hesitation. We'll see how it all works out. I most definitely will not decide anything before August 13th.
4. You mentioned making changes for this year. What are they?
A: Let's start with finding a way to lower registration prices. We're also trying to collaborate with another group for road course. That's a start... There are others, but nothing I'm willing to address right now.
Hope this helps.
A question that will apply to some of us (maybe not me):
What if you voted like 8 times ($200 worth) and registration or whathave you is only $180? What happens to the additional $20?
Just asking :)
47 voters isn't terrible... there were only like 52 cars at NG15 (I read that as 52 forum members)... so 47 voters... not terrible. I assume 50 was your drop-dead minimum... we were so close! I would be willing to help out on some weekends in Indy if you give me a heads up, I'm about 2 hours away.
Not bad! Hope it does happen so i can have redemption for this years attendance. I paid but didn't make it :(
It is very likely that, again if it happens, I will have a car to actually bring!
Haha, same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by MDoe8
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I was wondering when this would come up. Figures it would be you to do it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by futurevr4man
Pretty simple answer... USE IT. But don't worry... You will. Even with lower registration costs, there will be TONS of ways to use it. I didn't see anyone vote so much that they wouldn't be able to use it up in registration fees, even if it's an extra t-shirt, and there were some BIG voters. If you choose not to use it, I guess it's called a donation... Having to issue refunds at that point is counter-productive.
And yes... were were THAT close to the minimum.
Just for the sake of knowing, how many votes did the highest voter cast? I voted 16 times, wondering how many topped that.
Good lord, Dan. You and Manny are probably half of the Pittsburgh votes, I think he voted quite a bit as well.
Haha yeah my votes alone were about a fifth of the total Pittsburgh votes. A lot of people only cast like one or two votes. I figure since I'm going to spend that money anyway, why not? Going by NG15 prices, $400 covered 2 registrations plus the road course. If I don't take the refund, that 10% will basically pay for the autocross.
Also, Lori, I noticed that the Comfort Inn and Sleep Inn we used to stay at in Indy are now a Holiday Inn Express and Motel 6. Does that make a difference?
Lol dan. Between you and I, we were 31 of the 77 for Pittsburgh.
Zucchini - I actually found that out yesterday as well. It definitely makes a difference, I'm just not sure how much yet.
I also put in 16 votes, but not for Pittsburgh. :001_tt2:
^^^ Imagine Tom actually making that face... see if it doesn't make you smile :)
I still need to hear from 16 people who voted for Michigan or Pittsburgh. If you're one of them, please send me a PM at your earliest convenience to let me know if you'd like a refund or if you'd like a credit toward your NG16 registration (if it happens). We won't be able to make a decision until we've heard from everyone. Thank you!
Some people got to it from face book and don't follow the forum. You may want to send them an email if you haven't done so already.
I was planning to when I have time. My hope was that the majority would contact me fairly quickly so I wouldn't have to spend an entire day finding email addresses and contacting everyone individually.
Paypal has an export feature that's pretty handy for stuff like that. It makes it fairly simple to get a list of e-mail addresses, especially if the title was setup so the location can be filtered on in this case.
UPDATE:
I've gotten a few people PM'ing and emailing about whether or not there will be an NG16. I've said it, but I'll repeat it... I have some really major life things happening this week. Until they're done, I'm not making any decisions. That happens on Wednesday, at which time we hope the situation will end. However, I'm also still waiting to hear from ELEVEN people who voted for Pittsburgh or Michigan. Everyone has been emailed, asking for a decision, but only a few have responded. Hopefully we'll hear from the others soon. If not, their money automatically gets refunded. Originally, we were going to automatically apply it, but I just don't feel right about that. We need a minimum number of commitments before we'll agree to hold another NG. Right now, I couldn't say it looks good or bad... It's pretty "on the fence."
I don't know if you'll see this before making your decision, but for me, and I'm sure there's many others, I'd just be happy with a semi organized get together. If getting tracks become too expensive and would cause you to not hold the event, then an event without any track days is fine by me. I'm sure a show location could still be arranged, so we'd at least have that, but if there were no track events, I'd still attend. All I need is a few beers, and a few 3S's to look at and their owners to talk to. A few beers, a few 3S's to look at and their owners to talk to, and this thermos. A few beers, a few 3S's to look at and their owners to talk to, this thermos, and this chair...
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Thanks, Tom. I really appreciate hearing that. At this time, the questionable events are drag races, because of the low participation and high track fees if we can't get in on a test & tune (and also currently we have no sponsor), and road course, because of the enormous track fees. That being said, we could still do AutoX, the pace laps, a car show... I'll take it all into consideration after tomorrow.
Something is better than nothing, Lori. Not to push a button or be rude or anything, but the BRG isn't anything extravagant, but is growing... it's just a gathering of like-minded people. I know the NG is a different animal, and people like that it's track oriented but sometimes you gotta do what you can do. An autoX and car show is still fun and different.
That's my opinion at least. But you know me... I just like to get drunk and have fun :)
With all of the Mitsubishi turbo platforms discontinued, some for over 20 years, the communities are getting smaller. The dsm shootout seems to be pretty inclusive of all the Mitsubishi family. I think that in the event of no 3s national gathering, the shootout would be a great alternative. They have auto cross, drags, and most of the big names in Mitsubishi performance are there.
This was my first major 3S / DSM event ever. We went to the DSM Shootout back in 2000 and it was a blast. It encouraged me to have the GA 3S Track Days here in GA that we held for a few years before I finally bowed out. It was a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by donniekak
With the cost of travel, you can count me out if there isn't any racing events. There are localized gatherings to just meet up. The NG is the big event too see all the cars being tested in all different ways. For just a car show, I can drive to 2 or 3 of them a weekend and still be home every night which is what I used to do before I had my kids. I'm not saying people have to race there car at the events, as I didn't my first year. But that is what brought me out, was to see all the 3s's in action. Sorry but I feel the NG has to be more than just a car show.
I agree with Manny. As far as just car show related events, I have NEG and ECG for that, which are basically long weekends. I don't know what we'd really do with the time if there wasn't any racing. Most probably wouldn't travel that far for just a long weekend. The NG sets itself apart from other gatherings because it has the racing events. Otherwise, people would probably just go to BRG. Personally, I wouldn't mind if the drags were discontinued. I and several others have lost interest especially since it seems there are fewer and fewer racing each year. People just break their cars during drags. It probably would be the easiest to eliminate because pretty much everyone who drags also does the other events, so they'd likely still attend. I don't think there are many if any that just do the drags and nothing else. Actually, since I brought it up, Manny, would you still attend if the drags were eliminated?
I would like to see a road course in future NGs if possible. I am less interested in the drag strip and I would not miss it if it were omitted. I hope the stars align and a 2016 event emerges.
Agreed with the above, though it's great to have a meetup of everyone it seems like more people are making it a priority of seeing people at their own local-ish gatherings (like NEG, ECG, BRG, etc) instead of NG, which is a touch disappointing for NG's numbers.
Yes Dan, I would still go if drags was dropped but I would prefer to keep them as it's been said in the past that as long as it's on a test and tune it doesn't cost. Having all 3 race events and a car show really shows how good a car is and it's fun to watch. I know people are scared to break on the drags but it is what it is. I still want it and I broke twice this last year lol. Drags are getting boring for some I feel because some of the fasted aren't showing up anymore like 3sx's drag car, nelson, matt, ray, and chris for example. But I am very competitive and like to compete in all 4 fields as well as have a great time.
I guess my post wasn't reflecting my thoughts correctly. I wasn't talking about eliminating the track events forever, but maybe just for one year so the NG could continue in some form and recover to it's regular self in the future. It's better than losing the NG altogether. I suspect if we we don't have an NG in 2016, we'll never have one again, and I'd hate to have it come to that.
Tom I understand what your saying but maybe you don't understand. A car show alone would in NO WAY help the NG. The problem is attendees and a car show alone would just show that only you and a couple of locals might attend. It cost me almost a $1,000 just in fuel. That would be the most expensive car show in history for me. I'm not going with out my family and they don't fit in the car. And I'm not taking a minivan to a 3s car show. I also believe if you get rid of drags it's no big deal but if you got rid of even 1 more event, most people would not go. Remember travel is a huge cost for most so it has to be worth it. I have local car shows, and local tracks I can go to. The NG has ALL which it's what makes it what it is.