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Originally Posted by 95gto
Based on your numbers Pete that would suggest that Erron's weight did include the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by i3igpete
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Originally Posted by 95gto
Based on your numbers Pete that would suggest that Erron's weight did include the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by i3igpete
I have not seen Adam's car in person so I can't comment on its contents. However if Pete's car weighs ~3200lbs without the cage, and his numbers make sense with Erron's, I don't see how Adam's car would only weigh ~50lbs more and be considered 'far from gutted'.
I guess this is just one more point to support the idea that race scales don't agree with track scales or CAT certified scales.
Are you running a rear crash bar still?Quote:
Originally Posted by i3igpete
Weighed mine at a scrap yard a few months ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by 95gto
Full tank e85-128lbs (19.8 gallon tank + 6.5lb/gallon of fuel)
Driver-153lbs
Spare/Jack-30lbs
Misc crap in car...laptop/screws/glovebox-10lbs
So with a few gallons of gas with no driver dry weight is right at 3640.
That number was achieved by deleting emissions, cruise, washer tank(front), abs, aws reservoir and lines running to pump in back(pump and lines to rack still there), LW flywheel, full exhaust...
Recently I installed seats(40lb savings), hood(30lb savings) and wheels(maybe 5lb total) and pulled all the crap out of the car(spare is still there). Still want to delete airbags/ecu, tow hooks and complete AWS delete and that should be it(40lbs maybe) Going to try to go in the next two weeks to get it weighed again but this time with only a 1/4 tank of gas@ race weight...
Really want to hit 34XX lbs..
Yeah, still got the stock aluminum. I got that 5lb tubular bar weight savings from jackhammer's thread from a few years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95gto
I guess running open o2 housings would save another 40 lbs. So there's 3015 - 40 = 2975.
chris what's your car at?
I'll reweigh my car this weekend. The lightest it has ever been was 3056 without me and fuel, so 3491 race weight. I should go on a diet.
Also, going to see about renting certified test weights to test my race scales. Note when using truck scales, as they are certified to a percentage of capacity or scale, so at low weights the error is higher. They are designed to be accurate to something like .1% at 80K lbs, which is quite the margin at 3K lbs.
Did you ever do the fiberglass roof thing?
nope, loosing drive to deal with this car
Juice with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by anyonebutme
And I weighed my car using my Xbox 360 and it came out to 3200lbs with full interior, so I can clearly get sub 3000. Plus, mine's a stealth.
I really don't care what it weighs. If it's heavier it just means I made more power... but I have confidence in the number.Quote:
Originally Posted by 95gto
latest interior shot -
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...psc8c607fc.jpg
yes, there are back seats -
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...4/SDC12431.jpg
yes, the hatch is full too - (taken while adding harness loops to roll bar)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...4/SDC12406.jpg
You should lol. Correlate theory with observation. So when are you going to drive it again? It makes me sad seeing it not being driven in anger. Has it been to the track on qtps?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamVR4
Adam, you have my favorite 3s interior! Love it!!
I know I've probably asked several times already, but what cage? If kit, how was fitment? (It looks great from the pics.)
oh and BLASPHEMY!....
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...%2B%281%29.JPG
Definitely some weight savings though:D
It's turned the wrong way.
:suspect:
Yeah, not doing a RWD 4g in a 3S when a mighty max or conquest would be so much easier!
LOL
My buddy's 8 second Quest.
http://www.earlyperformance.com/Earl...0281/thumb.jpg
Pic fail. too small!
Yeah it was the best I could come up with quickly. They have pics on a slide show on their site so I couldn't get the regular pic. I'll find better ones later.
....gasp an auto shifter:D
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...%2B%281%29.JPG
Since this is now a weight loss thread, I'll post here.
Took my scales in Monday to Champion, and tested them with 500lb and 1000lb NIST class F certified weights.
This is the state stamp showing this weight was legal for certification purposes
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...psafa7aafe.jpg
This is what a 1000lb weight shows up as sitting on the scale:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...pse91a7a3a.jpg
We tested all 4 pads with both weights, 2 were dead on, 1 was 1 lb light at 1000 and dead on at 500, 1 was 2 lbs light at 1000 and 1lb light at 500, which is well within the "of scale" certification limits for it's 6K lb rating, which means they can be 7 times more accurate than a 80,000lb truck scale @ 3500 lbs.
tl:dr summery: my scales are confirmed accurate.
so with this list
You were able to hit 3056lbs without you and fuel? That's impressive. The little crap really added up on your car..Quote:
2G Stealth:
Carbon hood
lexan roof panel
gutted interior, power windows still, no speakers or radio or anything but seats, ECU, and a couple aftermarket gauges inside
solid mounts
no AC, no heater core, no blower, just firewall
cruise delete
sound and heat insulation delete
ABS delete
AWS delete
SRS delete
had CFDS
bumper delete
single shot exhaust, catless
had coilovers
lightest 18x9.5 wheels I could find that didn't cost $3K a set
Conti challenge slicks
lots and lots of removed brackets and stuff
big brakes were a wash weight wise, my 355mm just about same weight as stock brakes.
FMIC which saved a bit of weight
gutted headlight intake
splitter gained some weight back
wingless at the time
NA brake booster
vac reduction and deleted everything I could
no washer tanks
fog light delete
fender plastics delete for whats that worth
fixed back racing seats mounted solid, no sliders
small things like crank pulley, alternator tensioner delete
really light steering wheel, lol
I'm sure I'm forgetting more. Still couldn't break the 3K lb raceweight barrier. Time for more carbon, more lexan, and more holesawing.
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Originally Posted by familyMAN
Still loving this. Looks like it could have been a factory option or maybe the "base" engine.
Thanks! Hoped it didn't look to "hacked." I'm also thinking about blacking out the big intercooler pipe, with either flat black or wrinkle black, to make it appear a little more factory.
The intake will be moved for the holset. In fact, may not have much room for anything more than a big filter straight off the turbo.
It's not really that impressive at all.........my car is really a tin can with a seat, it should be a LOT lighter but the 3S has a massive structure. Think of it this way, with a cage me and fuel, my car would be 3610 on the grid. Gutted. Now imagine what it weighs with A/C and all that jazz.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOMIEZVR4
Can the intake go down and towards the passenger side? With the intercooler pipe where it is, it's hard to go above the trans tunnel. Would be cool if intercooler pipe wrapped around strut tower and you could put intake in stock location. Could also relocate the fuse box and have the intake go there but that's a lot of work for an intake.
I'll try to squeeze it down and put a filter into the stock smic location when I put the holset on. The auto comes more forward than a manual so it limits how big of a pipe I can fit through to the smic location. If I have to, I'll just put a big filter straight on the turbo.
testing to see i can post
Yes you can:) Welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by marxsteel
weighed it today, no driver, unknown fuel:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...ps93f1f8d1.jpg
Pics of your car at that weight? It's basically gutted right? What about expensive weight loss?Quote:
Originally Posted by anyonebutme
...you and I both should've started with a lighter car:( That's a full weight DSM.
My talon is about 3020 with ac, power steering, cruise control, and comfy interior..........Quote:
Originally Posted by familyMAN
Something like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...4-11210638.jpg
Yep and Donnie drove across the country with AC, full interior, radio and 500whp and weighs less. Only problem I can come up with... It still looks like a talon and not a 3000:p
The door stop shape is classic.:highly_amused:Quote:
Originally Posted by familyMAN
Wow that thing is gutted. Sub 3k lbs and looking like a streetcar is not possible on a 3s it seems
Not sure, but I'd say likely not. Removing all the excess layers of metal from the interior of the car, doing all the usual deletes, switching to light weight seats, CF doors hood and hatch, and lexan on the front and rear windows, you MIGHT get something that could pass for a street car and weigh in the very low 3000 or MAYBE upper 2900s range (based upon weight of stock doors at around 94 pounds each fully assembled and CF or FG doors at about 15 pounds each.)Quote:
Originally Posted by NOMIEZVR4
But in short, likely end up spending another 4 or 5k chasing those last couple hundred pounds.
Agreed however cf doors and such and I dont think the car can retain long term streetability..ill have to remain content with my 34XXlb curb weight goals I guess
I'm curious to know how low supras and 300zx cars can get down to with basic weight reduction mods.. that should give us a good idea of how heavy were really are relatively.
Carbon doors mean cage with door bars, which means not streetable. Anyone who says different has never driven a caged car on the street. Lexan means not a street car and anyone who says differently never dealt with Lexan on a car before. It's enough of a pain on a race car. Not to mention both options are specifically illegal for street use anywhere in the USA.
To put in perspective what I consider streetable, I've driven the car shown above daily before, and driven it to MOD and other ~3 hour trips. I still don't call it "streetable".
3400 is a realistic goal I think, but don't be surprised to have to swiss cheese some things to actually get there. My life got a lot easier once I bought a plasma cutter, and there's a lot of weight in the subframes.