Look at these HEADS! Whoever on 3si sold Trev this car... You sir are an a-hole!

wow, amazing it ran like that. What did the valves sound like with no guides on some of them?

Looks like LMI is building heads now.

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Originally Posted by J. Fast

A couple of other things I noticed when I pulled the heads, one of the the (2) main freeze caps located in one of the heads is stripped. The second thing was it looked like the deck height was never checked or something else? You can see bare metal on the crown edges of one of the pistons where it had been colliding with the pad on the head. There's no carbon residual at all. It's bare metal to bare metal. No heavy dimpling in the main portion of the piston just absolute 100% smacking metal to metal around the raised perimeter edges of the piston.

All bets are off on what the bottm end looks like. There was no metal in the oil pan or oil filter. I'm expecting to find a bent crank, busted wrist pin, or damaged rod on that cylinder when I get into the bottom end later on.

Going to do some more digging in it later and take more pics.

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That's insane!

Every time I look at the pics I see more and more.

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Originally Posted by Frostedbutts

The heads came with the car, I didn't buy just the heads separately. His name is 1997GTX aka Adam Rudolph, but he said he bought the heads second hand he when I bought the car (whether that is true or not, I have no idea). The heads weren't the selling point of the car when I bought it so I just took his word for it, and didn't really feel like digging into it to check if they were in fact DR Stage 3 heads.

I sent him an email with the pictures attached so we'll see if I get a response. He hasn't logged into 3si in a long time last I checked, so it's unlikely anyone will be able to contact him through there.

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He said they were DR3 heads? WOW!

I take this was the car ad? I don't know how I read the title wrong, I thought you just bought the heads :Doh:

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How long ago was this car purchased? It's a bit of an old thread.

Engine hasn't run straight since I first saw it in May/June of last year, a couple of weeks before Pike's Peak Hill Climb as I remember. Had peak power development problems i.e. wouldn't hold any boost what-so-ever. The engine also had starting problems, occasionally smoked, rough idle, stuttered on tip in, and kept dying.

Trev parked it for longer than I care to remember while he was saving money to afford to dig into it. When he had enough money saved he dropped it off to get an alignment prior to setting up a dyno tuning pre-inspect session only to have the alignment place he dropped it off to call him and tell him "We started you car and there's a problem. It sounds like a bag of hammers!"

He towed it away called me up and I came by and dug into it at his home. What I found was all cylinders compression under 100 and so the car sat, and has sat, and sat... and sat till time and money afforded the opportunity to dig into it. Opening it up after it's been sitting for months and months we come discover why. This "Adam guy" pulled some shady ass shit!

I don't think for one second those are DR Heads, as do I believe the Adam was clueless to the condition of this abortion. He bought the heads "second hand" and bolted them on like that and sold the car? Car supposedly only needed to be "tuned for altitude"? What a crock! Who bolts on heads that look like that? Another question directed for concern?

WHERE'S THE FRIGGIN CHUNKS OF METAL FROM THE MISSING VALVE TRAIN PARTS?

Not in the oil filter, not in the pan, not in the cylinders, not in the galleys, not in the valve cover, and not in the engine. It didn’t happen on this owners watch. Regardless of the time that's passed, YOU SOLD THIS CAR WITH CRAP ASS HEADS LIKE THIS AND DIDN'T SAY SHIT!

Anyway, the amount of time that's passed doesn't matter and it won't change anything. What's done is done. Unfortunately the remaining pieces of the car have been parted to recoup the financial burden to my friend. With any hope the donor parts will give breath back to other 3/S needing restoration.

Just a sad affirmation that there are people out there who are more interested in pawning there burdens off on others and lining their pockets with money. Where I grew up, we call them "hustlers".

Anyway, back to the show (downloading as we speak), time for more pictures :)

I don't think anybody would think these are DR heads, even the seller. He pawned off some bull shit on your buddy, no doubt about that.

Here's a picture of that piston/head I was concerned about. This is not normal correct? Is this a deck height issue? No other pistons have this signature? Some help on failure analysis would be great and things to examine that need to be looked at would be great everyone. Thanks ahead of time

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...2811_001-1.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...032811_006.jpg

The milky haze on the piston crowns, is that from flamefront, puddling fuel, improper comubustion chamber mixture... what is this?

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...032811_002.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...032811_003.jpg

Other bank...

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...2811_004-1.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...2811_005-1.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...032811_006.jpg

This stripped plug from the valve cover side, what is the technical term for this?

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...2811_009-1.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...032811_008.jpg

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I take this was the car ad? I don't know how I read the title wrong, I thought you just bought the heads :Doh:

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That's it, yes. Could you give me the email associated with his seller account by chance?

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That's insane!

Every time I look at the pics I see more and more.



He said they were DR3 heads? WOW!

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Man it's sad, you dont know how many times things like this happen, people use our name to try and sell there junk. We have had cars come in here that people bought already modded with problems saying that "the car had DR stage 3 heads, and DR650's" and we get it apart and it has neither. Or like the guy that was selling "dr650's" on E-bay yrs ago with a add saying something like "never got a chance to use them, my loss your gain" But he seemed to have a endless supply of them and sold tuns of them. Ne "never got the chance" to use like 20 sets of turbos ? lol

And come on bought the heads that way and just installed them thinking they were our heads? lol The vales in those pics with the lettering on them are STOCK mitsu valves, DR stage 3 heads do not have stock valves, everybody knows that. And look at that nasty port work, come on he would have to be brain dead to think those were ours.