maybe just get some replacement bells+rotors from some other GTO brake kit?, your making custom dog bones for the calipers anyway.
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maybe just get some replacement bells+rotors from some other GTO brake kit?, your making custom dog bones for the calipers anyway.
Nice!!
so, the if the backspacing it allow us to use these, we can get them anywhere. from slotted to 2-piece, as the EVO have a big market.
you dont know by chance about the rears? how big they are?
probably a vendor here, that has in the shop a EVO X should dig in and check it out.
I'll try to get one from the local Mitsu dealer and see what it takes.
Ilie
I've tried that with no succes :( long story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR2
what bbk you have in mind?
Rears are 330x32mm
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Originally Posted by DocWalt
wow, the EvoX has some serious brakes on it :)
anyone?
so far I haven't been able to find some used EVO 10 brake discs :(
keep looking.
Do the Evo 10 brakes have separate hats or a one piece?
if it's a one piece why don't you contact their forums and place a WTB for some used rotors, you'll probably find some of the racer guys go through them every 10 second :D
The Evo X brakes come in two piece or singles. :p
Check out evolutionm.net or evoxforums.com for rotors. There's cheaper rotors if you look around, I have to run for dinner: Brake Rotors*-*Brake System*-*Evolution X*-*Mitsubishi*-*Modern Automotive Performance
APM Racing 2 Piece J Hook Rotors - EVO X (Front Pair): Evasive Motorsports | PH: 626.336.3400 Mon-Fri, 9am-6pm PST
not a bad price ($585.00) considering its a new set(pair) of 2 pc rotors
someone selling same rotors for 420$ but its an old thread..
FS: Evo X 2-piece front rotors (Brand new) - evolutionm.net
these are the next cheapest I think
Girodisc Front Slotted 2pc Rotor Set (Evo X) - Modern Automotive Performance
WORKS WRP 2-Piece Slotted Front Rotors - EVO X*::*EVO X Brake Rotors*::*EVO X Brakes*::*Brakes*::*LancerShop.com | Lancer Performance Parts and Accessories
I'm in Romania :) so I wont pay for used ones. the shipping is crazy.
I would pay for new ones if I know for sure that they will fit. the price for the APM Racing ones is great.
though I wont need 2 piece ones, I'll be happy with one piece ones.
who has an EVO X and a 3S???? :) and is willing to see if the hats fit and also how is the et of these.
will call tomorow a friend that has Mitsu dealer here and see if they have in stock these so that I can check.
It sure would be nice if a vendor would step up and try this.
I can't see there being any money in it for them :p
selling all the adapters?Quote:
Originally Posted by MR2
selling custom brake discs, 1 and 2 piece?
it would be nice to have some nice custom brackets like those from Agency Power for front and rears.
http://d5otzd52uv6zz.cloudfront.net/...78a1e3-800.jpg
this upgrade using the VW/Porsche/Audi calipers is by far less cheaper even than Ksport. And there are actual BREMBO calipers. on my calipers is wrote BREMBO.
I'll post a picture later to confirm that.
also, if they get a deal with a VW/Porsche/Audi dealer like other shops did, they will get a better price for these. Exemple: the VW ones from Touareg are much more cheaper than the ones from Audi, and more than Porsche ones.
try google it.
i'm interested. i love these calipers
http://www.brothersinarmsdesign.com/...c_turbo_01.jpg
yeah, those are the one's I think it'd like to fit...unless I can find a cheap set to play with they are going to need 19" rims though (the car they came of had 20"s stock from memory
i have 19s already :D.
yeah me too but I think I'm going back to 18's...more tire wall :| less weight..
dunno still waiting to see how it all goes when the car's up again
let me know if you buy some calipers and can do some measurements for me :D found them cheap anywhere?
brought this back to life :)
so, I havent done anything on my car for some time now :(
meanwhile, I have bought the fronts and rears Cayenne S&Turbo calipers Z18, that are going next week to be powdercoated.
just wondering if anyone else has done this conversion, as I need to know what discs would fit.
Ilie
Look into 370z sport brakes dics. There are 355mm up front.
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This is a 2011 thread...
Pretty sure the Evo/GT500 Brembo thread got further than this one.
are people really attempting to do huge things with 3000GT/GTO's these days?
I was following this thread back in 2011. I'm not sure how acurate these prices mb7050 posted are, but if you add up the prices it is still pretty expensive. Even if you get everything for the cheap price and buy used rotors, you are still at $1000. And with that price you still need to find someone to make adaptor brackets for $65, you have used rotors, and your calipers won't be new either. Maybe this would be a good bang for the buck option for a DIY person who could make their own brackets, found a good deal on the calipers, and didn't mind cleaning the calipers up with some high heat ceramic paint from a rattle can.
But for a lot of people they would want new rotors (+$160 more for one piece), probably wouldn't find them for $500 (let's meet in the middle and say $650 for the calipers so that's +$150), and probably wouldn't be making brackets or having them made for $65. I think $150 for a vendor to design and resell brackets for these calipers would be pushing it (so +85). So now your BBK is around $1400 and your calipers aren't new. Let's get them powdercoated for $100 so we have $1500 invested for our BBK. We have BBK's out there around that price and you wouldn't have to piece it together and pay for shipping multiple parts. My 6 piston set from Airtekk was $1600 shipped and that came with 2 piece rotors, stainless lines, adaptor brackets, and calipers. I think the XYZ group buy was a tad cheaper even and those have been getting good reviews.
Calipers: $500-$800
Rotors: ~$240 for used (pair) $397.95 for new 1 piece (pair) $1200+ for 2 Piece (pair) (EVO X)
Hardware : $65-$200 I would guess
Brake Pads: $100-$300 Depends how aggressive you want to go
Brake Lines: $100-$300
yeah that's how my maths works out too...
the issue I see is that 90% of people would be fine on the stock system with good quality pads etc, I moved to an after market kit and while it did do repeated stops better the whole lot was not to the quality of standard and ended up replacing parts on it (while the stock stuff just with stood everything that was thrown at it)..
so then the 9% of people would be happy with the brand new, 100% bolt on sub $1400 kits, and those that actually want/need more are likely to have so much in their car that spending $3-5k on bigger rotors again, brand new guaranteed fit etc would be a no-brainer... yes?
if someone is looking for calipers here are some links.
EU (price :480.00EUR)
Porsche Cayenne Turbo Front 6 Pot Calipers Bremssättel Brembo 18Z Type Model | eBay
US (price :550$)
VWVortex.com - Brembo Porsche Cayenne Z18 calipers with pads
these calipers seem to sell pretty fast when the price is right
now this would have been a killer deal . Pair of 2008 Porsche Cayenne Turbo Front Calipers - 600 obo: $2014 Classifieds forum: Grassroots Motorsports
What about the bias?
Factory calipers are still capable of stopping a VR4 in VERY respectable distances. BBKs are honestly for track cars, and unless you size the front and rear properly, you need to get an adjustable prop valve and spend time dialing it in. I'd say 95% of BBKs sold are for people who cannot and will not use them to their potential and are just for show.
If you want much larger brakes on the cheap, the GT500 ones are probably a cheaper option but will likely still run near a grand with used calipers. The XYZ BBK kit was a steal for people who got it during the GB, but even then likely not a great bang for buck purchase in terms of performance. Outside of a complete 4 wheel BBK kit designed explicitly with the 3S in mind, you likely won't see great results that reflect the money invested. For what it costs, you could do new pads, braided lines and quality fluid several times over, which would stand up to most anything outside of hot lapping.
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/sitebu...-1-600x450.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by green-lantern
18Z cayenne turbo caliper_____2006 cayenne turbo S front caliper 19 Z_____2008+ cayenne turbo 19Z caliper
Brembo 6 pot 17Z - pistons 34/36/38 total piston area = 3060mm2 cayenne s and some V6 V8 touaregs Q7's etc
Brembo 6 pot 18Z - pistons 30/34/38 total piston area = 2750mm2 cayenne turbo v10 touareg v12 Q7 etc
Brembo 6 pot 19Z - pistons 32/36/38 total piston area = 2956mm2 cayenne turbo S and 2008+ these calipers use 380mm rotors stock..
for reference stock total piston area: 2721 (2g 314mm rotor)
yeah it would be pretty front biased depending how large the rotor size is vs stock like the bigger bbk kits usually are.
handy diy person could of course upgrade the rears too, cayenne rear calipers could be bought for about 300-400 a set.
stock brakes sure are good on our cars but they overheat pretty quickly and become useless after that
here is a good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozX76OuiMJQ
fiy 17Z calipers would be an excellent choice too if someone wants to use smaller rotors like 330mm or so. many 17 inch wheels should fit very tight.. still a big big upgrade over stock calipers. 17Z calipers are also easier to source and cheaper
Cayenne V 6 17Z 6 Pistons brake caliper on a 335mm rotor
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/17Z-3.JPG
17" wheel
http://www.goingsuperfast.com/images/17Z-1.JPG
pictures from http://www.goingsuperfast.com/Cayenne-calipers.html
One of the reasons I got in on the XYZ group buy was because it was only about 1% bias up front but could stand up to the abuse I threw at them. The fronts don't lock up compared to the rears, a big complaint with people that bought the Ksport 3s front kit without rears. Something to think about, rears should match.Quote:
Originally Posted by mb7050
I also got the XYZ kit and I can confirm that the bias is very close to stock even on the track.
i'll go front and rear, as i've got all 4 calipers.
need to find out rotors.
hopefully this week I'll get some used evoX discs in order to see if it is possible to use them.
been wondering, from where do you get XYZ discs when you'll need new ones? any other bbk discs available, just the rotors?
as it seems easier for me to buy discs that will fit 100%, then looking for other solutions.
I need 350-355 front and 330 rears.
You could also try contacting Airtekk. I think the guys name was Martin. For our cars they sell 355 front, 345 front, and 330 front. They have 2 piece rotors and 2 piece floating rotors available.
BBK Kit - AIRTEKK
This is my 345mm kit with an 18" rim. I'm very happy with them and I'll be ordering the rear kit soon. They are located in Long Island NY.
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/...psdd6b24f8.jpg
^ thanks!!
I've just sent them an email.
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I'm glad as I've just place an order for new brake pads from TRW, and some other small stuff for the cayenne calipers. had these on Cayenne and I really enjoyed them, even they are a little bit dusty but without any noise at all. will see how they perform.
I have checked the 370Z front rotors, and it seems they will fit with just a little machine work on the hub, it needs 1mm to be removed.
also, the ET of the rotor will place the calippers 5mm inside than the stock ones, and they are 32mm wide, which is the same as cayenne rotors.
the 370Z has 355mm rotors while EVO has 350. using the EVO's will place the caliper on an outer position than the stock ones, not to mention the 370 ones.
So, I guess, I will go for the 370 ones.
will decide tomorrow when I'll have some more time.
this is the 370Z front disc specs, and the best picture I could get for them:
Attachment 6293
this is stock 3KGT 2nd gen:
Attachment 6294
the biggest problem will be for sure the rears, first because of the ebrake drums and second because of the fact that EVO and 370Z are only 22mm wide.
Cayenne has minimum 30mm for the rears so I guess a 22mm it would need thicker pads :)
been reading more about what others have done using the same calipers on other platforms and it seems that it wont be a problem using only 22mm wide on the rears, instead of 28mm.
tomorrow I'll receive new brake pads and will check fitment with some new or used EVO rotors that I will hopefully get my hands on.
will see...
Honestly I haven't checked into replacement rotors for the XYZ kit yet.
I'm very interested in what you work out. Definitely keep us posted.