15's possible on auto SOHC (1/4 mile)?

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Originally Posted by SOHC

Get cross drilled slotted rotors (should save a 1lb. each maybe?)

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Brian covered most of the bases, but buying new rotors (somewhere around $200 probably) to save 4 pounds?

We're trying to help you here. Unless you hit the lottery and don't have anything else to do, you're wasting money by dumping it into a SOHC.

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Originally Posted by stealthee

I have a SOHC and I will tell you that you are wasting your money. If your goal is 15's then you are going to be pissed when you have more money into your car than you could have bought a VR4 for that would absolutely annihilate you. Keep the basic mods you have and keep the car reliable. The ATX is going to be your absolute nemesis as well. There are modded DOHC"s with a high stall and shift kit that couldn't get out of the 16's. My MTX SOHC was faster stock than they were modded.

As for your weight reduction.

Removing the cam covers is the most retarded thing you could do. Not only will it save you maybe 2 lbs, but they are there to protect your car. Sure a SOHC is non interference, but that doesn't mean shit wont break if something gets into your timing belt.

Keep the washer bottles. Again the weight savings is minimal and if you want to drive your car on the street they are needed.

Keep the rear seats if you don't want your car to look tacky. They dont weigh hardly anything anyway.

Some people can live without the rear wiper, I love mine. Doing it for weight reduction is stupid though.

Keep the tow hooks, you're gonna need them if you try to mod your car like that.

Keep the sunvisors if you intend on driving your car during the day., fog lights, whatever.

Crash bars are there to protect you. Getting rid of them is insane, stupid, pointless, assinine... Shall I go on?

The car is not going to be a "race car" so getting rid of the headunit and speakers is stupid.

Cross drilled rotors are pointless and are not worth the risk of killing you. They crack and break. The best rotors, are blanks.

Save some weight with the hood.

Aftermarket fenders probably weight MORE than stock. Our stockers are damn near weightless.

You wont save much weight with the hatch. The real weight is in the glass.

It is not going to be a decent NA. Its going to be a huge waste of money.

BTW, I have ran a best of 15.52 with some of the mods in my sig. I didn't have the Quaife, I didn't have the crank pulley, I didn't have the ground wire kit. If I actually took it back to the track and got traction I am probably looking at 15.2's with less than $2000 in mods. You are going to have 10 times that and have a gutted tin can and will be lucky to match that.

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Why do you think the car will keep braking if I mod it like that???

If you plan to spend that much money on an ATX, why not convert to an MTX instead? Its already known that an SOHC MTX is compariable to a DOHC ATX.

I am also modding my SOHC ATX and one of my future plans was to convert to an MTX. My ATX isn't in the best conditions and cost wise I think its cheaper to swap than to rebuild/upgrade the trans.

No weight reduction will be done to mine, except maybe an aftermarket hood and rims. Anything else is pointless on a SOHC. Just remember this rule, "For every 100 pounds removed, you save a 1/10 of a second on the track." You would have to shed 1000 pounds in order to drop 1 second.

Rims alone will net a good weight lost. Here's another rule for you "Rims weigh 4 times there weight when spinning." Drop lets say 10 pounds per rim, and you have 40 pounds less standing. Those 40 pounds become 160 pounds less than stock when spinning.

Now knowing this, think of what a washer bottle will reduce. Doesn't make much sense to remove it now does it?

Besides your list, I will have everything except the 10:1 pistons. I like the fact that my SOHC is non-interference.

The only reason I will be doing upgrades is because I had a rebuild of the engine planned since I am over 200k miles on it. Might as well upgrade as I replace. I personally just want my SOHC to be a little faster. Plus I already blew some of my money buying some parts, might as well install them now. After this The rest of my funds will be saved for a VR4.

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Originally Posted by Dbeltran24

If you plan to spend that much money on an ATX, why not convert to an MTX instead? Its already known that an SOHC MTX is compariable to a DOHC ATX.

I am also modding my SOHC ATX and one of my future plans was to convert to an MTX. My ATX isn't in the best conditions and cost wise I think its cheaper to swap than to rebuild/upgrade the trans.

No weight reduction will be done to mine, except maybe an aftermarket hood and rims. Anything else is pointless on a SOHC. Just remember this rule, "For every 100 pounds removed, you save a 1/10 of a second on the track." You would have to shed 1000 pounds in order to drop 1 second.

Rims alone will net a good weight lost. Here's another rule for you "Rims weigh 4 times there weight when spinning." Drop lets say 10 pounds per rim, and you have 40 pounds less standing. Those 40 pounds become 160 pounds less than stock when spinning.

Now knowing this, think of what a washer bottle will reduce. Doesn't make much sense to remove it now does it?

Besides your list, I will have everything except the 10:1 pistons. I like the fact that my SOHC is non-interference.

The only reason I will be doing upgrades is because I had a rebuild of the engine planned since I am over 200k miles on it. Might as well upgrade as I replace. I personally just want my SOHC to be a little faster. Plus I already blew some of my money buying some parts, might as well install them now. After this The rest of my funds will be saved for a VR4.

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I understand but if I ever decide to make it track only all the little stuff will start adding up couple pounds times xx number of them removed will start adding up to quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by SOHC

Why do you think the car will keep braking if I mod it like that???

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My car never broke a damn thing when it was stock and I beat the ever living shit out it as a dumbass 22 year old. Since its been modded, even the minor way it is now, it takes little to get shit to break.

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Originally Posted by SOHC

I understand but if I ever decide to make it track only all the little stuff will start adding up couple pounds times xx number of them removed will start adding up to quite a bit.

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Going "track only" in a NA SOHC would be a bit of an embarassment. Its flat out not a good candidate for that. If you want real power, but don't want to sell the car, go through with a DOHC TT swap. You will spend a shitton less money and be worlds faster. Then you might actually have an excuse to make it track only with having the ability to run 12's on stock boost as long as you get traction.

The thing here is this; the mods you have listed in your first post don't amount to anything unfortunately. Our cars are pretty open from the factory as it is. Injen intakes are quite possibly the highest priced pieces of tubing I have ever seen in my life and I don't understand why they are still in business. The plenum spacer = nothing. Crank pulley, ground wires, and MSD plug wires offer negligible gains, if any, as well.

The mods you plan to buy are just a waste. You add all the mods you have put and plan to put in this car and you could have yourself a reliable, unbroken VR4. Stock they run 13's and for less than $3k you're in the 11's easily.

The auto SOHC is the bastard child of the 3000GT platform... it's not flaming. It's simply the truth. Why they decided to include such a motor in the same platform as the TT and VR4 just baffles me.

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Originally Posted by x2xtreme360

The auto SOHC is the bastard child of the 3000GT platform... it's not flaming. It's simply the truth. Why they decided to include such a motor in the same platform as the TT and VR4 just baffles me.

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because the SOHC came first, lol





and chrysler didnt have many high roller customers

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Originally Posted by TheRedStealth

because the SOHC came first, lol





and chrysler didnt have many high roller customers

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The platform was based on the VR4 and the TT as the top dog.

Dodge used the SOHC exclusively until Mitsubishi, for some reason, decided to take the reigns after the Stealth ceased production.

Not saying the SOHC doesn't have it's perks... it's nearly indestructible! It's not for modding. Why? Because the VR4 exists.

No, you misunderstood. The 3.0 SOHC was around since 87. The DOHC didn't start being made until the 3000GT. The SOHC is the birth engine to the 3s.

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Originally Posted by stealthee

No, you misunderstood. The 3.0 SOHC was around since 87. The DOHC didn't start being made until the 3000GT. The SOHC is the birth engine to the 3s.

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I know the SOHC was around way before the platform... but just in your statement on how the DOHC wasn't even made until the 3000GT just proves that the platform was based on that motor:p The SOHC was an easy way to start since the engine already existed.