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but I have had many times in my Stealth problems with the ABS making it near to impossible to stop in a tight situation

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Mechanical problems with the ABS system itself, or the car "just wouldn't stop"?

Because if it is a case of the car "just wouldn't stop" that probably means there wasn't any grip - which means your inability to stop was because you were going too fast for the conditions, and the ABS probably saved your life.

When I got my Stealth, I heard a bunch of these "the ABS in these cars sucks" complaints - so I did some testing. Wet, dry, and snow, the ABS system on these cars is FINE. Maybe not as sophisticated as more modern stuff, but there is CERTAINLY no underlying flaw in the system.

I have a buddy who raced a 1996 Mustang GT (similar system). He had no ABS on the car, and after a couple of races his tires were octagons. We retrofit a Mustang ABS system onto the car (as was permitted by our rules) and not only did he suddenly keep his tires round, the car got faster because he was no longer locking wheels on corner entry.

Same deal with Vipers. I used to have this gig where I taught Chrysler engineers how to drive at the limit, and we used Vipers and Prowlers. Vipers were very unforgiving in braking, because there was a lot of braking power there, (and a lot of grip) so it was very easy to lock a wheel. When they introduced ABS in... 2000, maybe? The cars got WAY faster and easier to drive, because the consequences of locking a wheel at corner entry went away.

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years of being in the 3/s community have given me the distinct impression that the 3/s ABS system is a flawed construct at best.

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"Heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend" is not science nor engineering.

I tested the system. It's fine, and far better than the alternative of not having it. A "holy shit" moment, assuming the system is mechanically and electrically sound, is the driver's fault for carrying more speed than appropriate, NOT the fault of the ABS.

I'm keeping mine.

DG

Wooo, congratulations on arguing, it's a matter of opinion like I said, I don't like it, you do. Leave it at that, right there you came off as politely calling everyone here in this thread an idiot. Nobody calls such for those that keep it, we just want some weight reduction and cleaner looking engine bays, yours may have been fine when you tested it, however the majority of the systems don't perform as they should due to age, they age poorly, that is the flaw. Other than my Stealth, I have never owned a vehicle with ABS, and am not yet dead. Some foot control on the brake pedal is key without ABS...

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however the majority of the systems don't perform as they should due to age, they age poorly, that is the flaw

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Then repair the broken system.

Removing it disables a proven performance-increasing capability that in addition provides a significant safety feature. How is that a good call?

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it's a matter of opinion

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Science is not a matter of opinion. Science is testable and repeatable. Science can be graded, judged, and scored.

"Opinion" cannot change the fact that the car is faster and safer with the ABS installed than not.

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we just want some weight reduction and cleaner looking engine bays

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By that logic, you should be pulling out turbos too - there's probably 60 easy pounds to be had by removing turbos and intercoolers and wastegates and whatnot. Plus all those tubes, ducts, and vacuum lines? Should be a no-brainer to pull all that junk off.

Of course, you'll lose a lot of performance... but at least you'll be lighter and cleaner, right?

That IS what you want - right?

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right there you came off as politely calling everyone here in this thread an idiot

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Let's go with "misinformed".

There is this "common knowledge" that the 3S ABS "sucks".

That "common knowledge" is WRONG. The 3S ABS does NOT "suck"; instead it adds a metric assload of performance and safety. And the 3S weighs 3800-odd pounds loaded - it needs all the braking help it can get. It isn't a 2700 lb go-cart.

Let's say this thread was about one of these products:

TORNADO Air Management Systems :: More Power! More Mileage!
K&J Magnetics - Products
The Official Website Authentic Q-Ray Merchandise
JIC Magic
Unorthodox Racing

Wouldn't you want somebody to speak up?

I don't blame the vendor; he is just filling a demand. It is the demand that is misinformed.

DG

If you want to have argue about why to keep ABS, please keep it out of my thread. This is for people that want to delete ABS.

Apologies Austin.

No worries, just wanna keep it on track.

thanks, austin. great product!

i think DG needs to start his own "bitch" thread where he can tell everyone why every mod they put on their car sucks & why the stock suspension is so full of win (in his opinion).

Not every mod; just the ones that do suck.

Thanks to my job history (professional racing engineer) I have access to data that most do not. Would you prefer I not share?

DG

honestly, all it takes to end this debate for our cars is for someone to take a 30 second video in the snow. the balder the tires, the better. Then we can see how the ABS compares before and after the fuse is pulled.

Enough with the debate you guys, Austin has asked kindly to keep the argument away from the thread. Respect his wishes and move on.