Apple's new and intuitive iPhone 5...

[NickS VR4]

... is old and copied.


OK, so let's go over every feature and see if Apple literally did ANYTHING new:
4-inch screen - lol no
5 rows of icons - lol no
Thinnest phone ever - not even factually correct
A6 processor - HTC One X and SIII say hi
LTE - lol no
Panorama mode/8 megapixel camera - lol no
1080p video recording - lol no
Smaller dock connector - lolol no
GPS turn-by-turn (walking, public transit) - Google Maps lol
iCloud tabs - Chrome desktop sync lol
Fullscreen Safari - All sorts of browsers lol no
Sharing photos - lol no
Siri movie and sports - Google Now lol no
SMS when you can't take a call - lolololol super no

LITERALLY NOTHING NEW, I mean literally not a single fucking new feature that Android doesn't already do and likely better in many cases. This quite frankly blew so far below my already minimal expectations I'm just dumb-founded. Not even ONE NEW FEATURE? Incredible.

No NFC, Bluetooth 4.0, micro-USB, widgets, SD storage, notification LED, etc. I shouldn't be so happy to see Apple putting out such a fail product but I am. It really is incredible how far Google, Samsung, and HTC have blown past Apple the last couple years.

Just to copy someone else's comment.

While Apple has always had something new in the past, now their big announcement is nothing but outdated crap. Not a single thing iSheep can claim is better or newer than Android (without being ignorant and wrong).

So what did apple say about Samsung copying Apple? I think the more appropriate quote should be Steve Jobs when talking about being shameless about stealing.

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[IPD]

the lawsuits are because apple saw the writing on the wall: they can't out innovate their competition.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

The phones perform well, but I just don't get how people can't see past the android phones that are pretty much superior in every facet.

Had a friend who recently dropped her droid bionic for an iphone. 1st thing she asks? How do I download music? She didn't like the iTunes answer, nor did she like the workarounds that require a computer...that she doesn't have. Baaa baaa baaa.

Jeremy

[stealthify]

While I was slightly disappointed that Apple didn't have any real aces up their sleeves (most of this info was leaked weeks ago), this is still a pretty solid update.

When Apple does get around to doing something, they generally do it right (e.g. copy & paste, notifications, multi-tasking etc). I think the taller screen, versus a wider screen, was a wise choice in buying more screen real estate without it looking like you're smuggling a tablet in your pocket.

Apple can't innovate all the time, but as someone who enjoys their products, there's always going to be a part of me that hopes they one-up the competition.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

I will say making the screen bigger, albeit still behind the curve slightly, was a much needed improvement. Kind of a slap in the face to the consumers when the display size hasn't changed since the original. Hold an S3, they aren't that big. Admittedly, I was one that thought the S3 was huge based on its specs. But, I've played around with a few, and they are very manageable. Still prefer my droid4 for the physical keyboard, and I'm a moto fanboi. :D

Jeremy

[NickS VR4]

I actually own a GNex and a 4S (work phone). Apps I have on my android are cheaper or free compared to iTunes. One app I have has a free version or pro version $0/$5. The equivalent on apple is $5/$10.

I can see how those heavily invested in iTunes don't want to leave, but I think in the long run you will save on android. Everything is more expensive on iPhone.

The iPhone 5 only has one positive I can see, "8 hrs screen on time" or so they claim.

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[stealthify]

It's an interesting contradiction. For the longest time, we have been fighting to make our mobile phones smaller, more mobile, etc. On the flipside of that coin, we've been wanting larger screens to watch our media on. I supposed you can't easily have it both ways, but what I will say is that the size of some Android devices are becoming borderline ridiculous. It's not difficult, nor innovative, to make your screen larger (in fact, it's probably easier) -- but rather, in Apple's case, it was probably about trying to find a happy middle-ground.

I never understood why the iPhone screen wasn't 16:9 to begin with, though.

[NickS VR4]

It's an interesting contradiction. For the longest time, we have been fighting to make our mobile phones smaller, more mobile, etc. On the flipside of that coin, we've been wanting larger screens to watch our media on. I supposed you can't easily have it both ways, but what I will say is that the size of some Android devices are becoming borderline ridiculous. It's not difficult, nor innovative, to make your screen larger (in fact, it's probably easier) -- but rather, in Apple's case, it was probably about trying to find a happy middle-ground.

I never understood why the iPhone screen wasn't 16:9 to begin with, though.

I don't have numbers but I bet the gnex and s3 accomplish this with larger screen and same size phone.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

Also Nick, what are you talking about, man?

Many of the most commonly used apps that are cross-platform are comparably priced. One example that comes to mind is the very app you used to post your hate: Tapatalk.

$2.99 - Android (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkpro.activity&hl=en)
$2.99 - iOS (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tapatalk-forum-app/id307880732?mt=8)

Other popular apps: Dropbox, Pandora, Shazam, Netflix, Fandango, Facebook, Twitter, Mint, Evernote, Skype, Yelp, Photoshop Express, etc -- all free, on both platforms.

As far as paid apps, just to pull a few from my phone (Android vs iOS):

Max Payne ($2.99 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rockstar.maxpayne&hl=en) vs $2.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/max-payne-mobile/id512142109?mt=8))
GTA3 ($4.99 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rockstar.gta3&hl=en) vs $4.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/grand-theft-auto-3/id479662730?mt=8))
Tetris by EA ($2.99 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eamobile.tetris&hl=en) vs $0.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tetris/id479943969?mt=8)) - iOS is cheaper!
Fruit Ninja ($1.22 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.halfbrick.fruitninja&hl=en) vs $0.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fruit-ninja/id362949845?mt=8)) - iOS is cheaper, again
Avengers Initiatives ($6.99 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.disney.avengers_goo&hl=en) vs $6.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/avengers-initiative/id507283331?mt=8))
Need for Speed: Shift ($4.99 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eamobile.nfsshift_na_wf&hl=en) vs $4.99 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/need-for-speed-shift-for-ipad/id363301193?mt=8))

^- I had to do a search for top 'paid apps', as about 90% of the apps on my phone were all free.

But as the results show, the app pricing between the two platforms aren't that bad (in favor of one over the other). Even if they were, developers gotta get paid.

[donniekak]

No flash video? Not interested. Half of the time I want to do something on my iPad I have to get on the desktop computer. But, my android phone does everything.

[NickS VR4]

Maybe it was a fluke, but the app I was talking about is FlightTrack.

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[stealthify]

I don't have numbers but I bet the gnex and s3 accomplish this with larger screen and same size phone.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

The gnex and s3 are nowhere near the same size. They're huge:

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/03/galaxy-nexus-iphone-4s901v_verge_medium_landscape-500x331.jpg

Any larger and it'd be a book.

[stealthify]

Maybe it was a fluke, but the app I was talking about is FlightTrack.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

The app developers set the price. Not Apple.

I have seen promotional sales on both sides, though.

[stealthify]

No flash video? Not interested. Half of the time I want to do something on my iPad I have to get on the desktop computer. But, my android phone does everything.

Not for long.

Adobe Drops Flash Player Support in Android 4.1 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406507,00.asp)

[onebadmollafolla]

I'd hop into this discussion if I knew something about phones.

Sent from my Galaxy S III using Tapatalk.

[Mikes2nd]

150$ for a 16 mini ipod? Apple is a joke...

go buy a nexus tablet for that or a microsoft surface(soon).

Myself I will take the Lumia 920... Image stabilization, best camera out there, nfc, capacitive charging... clearblack display. fastest screen on a phone, Pureview camera.

Nokia Lumia 920 - Smartphones - CNET Reviews (http://reviews.cnet.com/nokia-lumia-920/)

Im not sure about the shiny surface... I want the grey one. I think its supposed to be out nov 4th also...

maybe the 820...

[NickS VR4]

The gnex and s3 are nowhere near the same size. They're huge:

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/03/galaxy-nexus-iphone-4s901v_verge_medium_landscape-500x331.jpg

Any larger and it'd be a book.

I was referring to the new iPhone 5

http://cdn3.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/events/iphone5_handson/P9120124-580-100.JPG

[NickS VR4]

Not for long.

Adobe Drops Flash Player Support in Android 4.1 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406507,00.asp)

Yeah, flash is dying, but doesn't mean I don't have it on my Nexus 7 (with JB 4.1). Just cause its not supported, doesn't mean you can't get it and use it.

[onebadmollafolla]

Think I'll stick with my GSIII...

http://i.imgur.com/bCoex.png
http://i.imgur.com/KlLAq.png


As far as Apps go, the Play Store is soon to surpass the App Store in applications. On the subject of paid apps, you have to look at it from a much broader view than pulling a few apps off of each's Top Paid apps. Generally, when an app costs money on both stores, it is cheaper on Google Play. With that said, there is a FAR greater percentage of free apps (the same that are on the iOS App Store) on Google Play than the App Store. Plus, with Android OS, you still have the highly customizable platform. You can move from apps, to widgets, to adjusting size of widgets, etc. You can set the phone up how you see fit. If you like page after page after page of block app icons, then the iPhone may not looks so bad. However, if you wanted to, you could do the same with Android. I don't know anybody with an Android that hasn't taken advantage of widgets though.

In the end, with the iPhone 5, you get a stretched out version of every previous iPhone. Nothing new, exciting, or flattering about its new ergo design. More of the same with a little extra. Personally, I'll take the more customizable GSIII with expandable storage, a removable battery, 4.8" screen, and DOUBLE the RAM of the iPhone 5. Plus, you can take solace in the fact that you didn't purchase an iPhone that was made under *horrendous conditions in their Chinese manufacturing plants.

*17 suicides in the Shenzhen plant plant in 2010 alone. Later, suicide nets were set up outside the windows of the factory.

[stealthify]

I was referring to the new iPhone 5

Dimensions:
S3: 5.38" H x 2.78" W x 0.34" D
iPhone 5: 4.87" H x 2.31" W x 0.30" D

The new iPhone 5 itself is a full half inch shorter, a half inch shaved off the width, and slightly thinner.

As I said, any manufacturer can make their cell phones larger and more cumbersome. But is that really the direction everyone wants to go?

[stealthify]

Yeah, flash is dying, but doesn't mean I don't have it on my Nexus 7 (with JB 4.1). Just cause its not supported, doesn't mean you can't get it and use it.

Flash is trash, plain and simple. This was the case before Apple turned its back on it, and it's still the case now. I will never design a site in Flash.

Adobe has finally realized this. They lost the battle; couldn't optimize it enough where it doesn't kill your battery, and couldn't patch up all the security holes it opened.

When the developer gives up on their own creation, you can pretty much consider the future of their platform doomed UNLESS it has a very strong community of supporters and believers. Both of which Adobe Flash has none.

[NickS VR4]

Dimensions:
S3: 5.38" H x 2.78" W x 0.34" D
iPhone 5: 4.87" H x 2.31" W x 0.30" D

The new iPhone 5 itself is a full half inch shorter, a half inch shaved off the width, and slightly thinner.

As I said, any manufacturer can make their cell phones larger and more cumbersome. But is that really the direction everyone wants to go?

I think my GNex fits in my hands great. Perhaps this is whats best about Android, we have a choice. If you want bigger, get the Note or Note II. If not there is the SIII or GNex, and i'm sure there are smaller ones, and that is just Samsung.

You have the Razr, and the upcoming Razr HD and Razr Maxx HD. You have the Razr M as well.

What if I were to say that phone just wasnt large enough for me, what choice does that leave me with? But I guess since Apple made it, it is just the perfect size, the market was lost without Apple spending years of research on what the perfect sized phone is. Shit, now Samsung will get sued for copying their perfectly sized phone. Why couldn't Samsung figure that one out.

[Alan92RTTT]

Dimensions:
S3: 5.38" H x 2.78" W x 0.34" D
iPhone 5: 4.87" H x 2.31" W x 0.30" D

The new iPhone 5 itself is a full half inch shorter, a half inch shaved off the width, and slightly thinner.

As I said, any manufacturer can make their cell phones larger and more cumbersome. But is that really the direction everyone wants to go?

Every iphone I have seen feels / looks tiny.

Even my old Galaxy S1 felt small. I love the size of the S3.

[stealthify]

True, true. Choice is a good thing, whether it's within the same platform or across many.

That's why I wish no ill-will on Android users or their devices. I was just commenting on how, at a certain point, the screen size war steps into becoming counter-productive, as many of us might prefer (more mobile) mobile phones.

On that note, the iPhone feels small to me too, but only after I held a few 5in+ Android-os devices. ;) It's not necessarily a bad thing, as the screen has never felt particularly cramped to me.

[stealthify]

Just to copy someone else's comment.

While Apple has always had something new in the past, now their big announcement is nothing but outdated crap.

A6 processor - HTC One X and SIII say hi
After some more info came out today, this discovery came to light:

Apple A6 processor based on next-gen ARM Cortex A15 tech - Know Your Mobile (http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1586428/apple_a6_processor_based_on_nextgen_arm_cortex_a15 _tech.html)


Despite the fact that Apple remained curiously quiet about the specifics of the iPhone 5’s new hardware spec during its launch event, word is emerging that the new A6 chip may be based on ARM Cortex-A15 architecture.

As it stands right now, both the SIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III) and HTC One X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_One_X) uses Cortex A9 cores. Which, sorry to tell you, puts them behind the game. At maximum 3 months old, and already out-dated. :Doh:

Leads me to this:

Apple's new A6 iPhone 5 appears to be first ARM Cortex A15 phone (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/12/apples_new_a6_iphone_5_appears_to_be_first_arm_cor tex_a15_phone)



Not a single thing iSheep can claim is better or newer than Android (without being ignorant and wrong).
I guess there's nothing I can claim. :eh:

;)

[IPD]

if you wish no ill will towards android, then you should not use apple products on principle: they want to ban all competition.

[Disrupter]

I kinda lost interest in phones, there is a new android phone coming out every other month. Can Apple keep up, probably not. Did they wait till android dropped their big dogs on the market, and did apple top them? Ive always been an android fanboy. Ive went from Evo- s2 - s3, getting bigger in size and dropping weight is a win win for me. It fits perfectly in my hand (Probably small in big mikes hands), fast, powerful, and serves its purpose. I wish the U.S. version of the S3 came with the quad-core exynos chip, I am not a huge fan of the Snapdragon... The quad-core will be coming out soon once they get it working with LTE... so the Iphone5 will be obsolute in a couple of month, then next year the iphone5S will come out woot!:shake2:

[NickS VR4]

I kinda lost interest in phones, there is a new android phone coming out every other month. Can Apple keep up, probably not. Did they wait till android dropped their big dogs on the market, and did apple top them? Ive always been an android fanboy. Ive went from Evo- s2 - s3, getting bigger in size and dropping weight is a win win for me. It fits perfectly in my hand (Probably small in big mikes hands), fast, powerful, and serves its purpose. I wish the U.S. version of the S3 came with the quad-core exynos chip, I am not a huge fan of the Snapdragon... The quad-core will be coming out soon once they get it working with LTE... so the Iphone5 will be obsolute in a couple of month, then next year the iphone5S will come out woot!:shake2:

Quite honestly, with a 7" tablet, and tethering ability on my gnex I find I don't really use my phone much more for anything but calling. Yes, from time to time I still do, but not enough to make me upgrade. Also since its unlocked and able to get the latest and greatest from Google (not directly), I feel I will stay satisfied long after my contract is up. Which is great since Verizon is forcing people out of unlimited with subsidized phones.

I think as tablets gain popularity, people will not need as much from their phones.

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[Disrupter]

Quite honestly, with a 7" tablet, and tethering ability on my gnex I find I don't really use my phone much more for anything but calling. Yes, from time to time I still do, but not enough to make me upgrade. Also since its unlocked and able to get the latest and greatest from Google (not directly), I feel I will stay satisfied long after my contract is up. Which is great since Verizon is forcing people out of unlimited with subsidized phones.

I think as tablets gain popularity, people will not need as much from their phones.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Yea I loved my GS2 but had to do a forced upgrade since my sister broke her phone and inherited my GS2. I also have a ASUS Transformer which I use a lot at work so. And rooting and changing to different roms is always nice, you will never really get bored of your device.

Also there is a way to tether your tablet to the phone, so you can make phone calls using the tablet. I havent tried it out with my transformer, but its a neat feature if you are far from your phone and need to make a quick call.

[IPD]

Quite honestly, with a 7" tablet, and tethering ability on my gnex I find I don't really use my phone much more for anything but calling. Yes, from time to time I still do, but not enough to make me upgrade. Also since its unlocked and able to get the latest and greatest from Google (not directly), I feel I will stay satisfied long after my contract is up. Which is great since Verizon is forcing people out of unlimited with subsidized phones.

I think as tablets gain popularity, people will not need as much from their phones.

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if you love tablets...the new kindle fire's data plan is going to blow your mind.

[Disrupter]

if you love tablets...the new kindle fire's data plan is going to blow your mind.

yea my friend sent me a link to their proposed data plan for the kindle fire HD, its a real sweet deal. something like $50 a year.

[NickS VR4]

if you love tablets...the new kindle fire's data plan is going to blow your mind.

I am envious of that data plan, price, and specs. I do not like the locked down system. However, I expect it to have great community support which makes that point null.

For now I'll stick with my N7, but it does look very interesting.

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[DocWalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

[NickS VR4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

Lmao. This is a perfect example of why every iPhone launch is a success.

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[stealthify]

if you wish no ill will towards android, then you should not use apple products on principle: they want to ban all competition.

This might be true if it weren't so misconstrued by the Android fan-base. :p

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Judge finds HTC guilty of infringing two Apple patents; could mean trouble for Android [updated] (http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/16/judge-finds-htc-guilty-of-infringing-two-apple-patents-could-mean-trouble-for-android/)


“We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We’ve decided to do something about it,” Apple CEO Steve Jobs said in a statement at that time. “We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours.”

If this weren't the case, Apple would be suing EVERYONE, not just the ones that are so obviously and shamelessly Apple-like.

And if you still believe Apple is all about starting lawsuits:

Tim Cook Wants Rivals to 'Invent Their Own Stuff' | PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/254541/tim_cook_wants_rivals_to_invent_their_own_stuff.ht ml)


"I've always hated litigation, and I continue to hate it. We just want people to invent their own stuff," Cook told analysts this week during an earnings call announcing Apple's financial results for the quarter ending in March.

"I would highly prefer to settle versus battle," he added.

Which has proven to be the case. Apple tried to settle with Samsung multiple times, even offering to license their patents, before Samsung eventually forced Apple to drag them to court. Even after the court battle started, they still were given opportunities to play fair. They did not. If anything, Samsung was anti-competitive, trying to force Apple to pay exuberant prices for standard-essential patents like those necessary for 3G connectivity, etc. Now Samsung is in hot water with their own government over these issues:

South Korea launches antitrust inquiry into Samsung - Boston.com (http://articles.boston.com/2012-09-07/business/33646317_1_samsung-electronics-seoul-court-standard-essential-patents)

As they say, "the more you know."

[NickS VR4]

This might be true if it weren't so misconstrued by the Android fan-base. :p

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Judge finds HTC guilty of infringing two Apple patents; could mean trouble for Android [updated] (http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/16/judge-finds-htc-guilty-of-infringing-two-apple-patents-could-mean-trouble-for-android/)



If this weren't the case, Apple would be suing EVERYONE, not just the ones that are so obviously and shamelessly Apple-like.

And if you still believe Apple is all about starting lawsuits:

Tim Cook Wants Rivals to 'Invent Their Own Stuff' | PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/254541/tim_cook_wants_rivals_to_invent_their_own_stuff.ht ml)



Which has proven to be the case. Apple tried to settle with Samsung multiple times, even offering to license their patents, before Samsung eventually forced Apple to drag them to court. Even after the court battle started, they still were given opportunities to play fair. They did not. If anything, Samsung was anti-competitive, trying to force Apple to pay exuberant prices for standard-essential patents like those necessary for 3G connectivity, etc. Now Samsung is in hot water with their own government over these issues:

South Korea launches antitrust inquiry into Samsung - Boston.com (http://articles.boston.com/2012-09-07/business/33646317_1_samsung-electronics-seoul-court-standard-essential-patents)

As they say, "the more you know."

Apple wanted to settle with Samsung for 30 f**king $ per phone for those minor features. Thats not settling. And do we really need to post up for the billionth time Steve Jobs famous quote on being shameless about stealing. What a f**king hypocrite.

Even Steve Wozniak believes apple is wrong

http://phandroid.com/2012/09/13/the-woz-weighs-on-on-apple-samsung-patent-war-i-hate-it/

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[stealthify]

In negotiations, both sides ALWAYS start higher than they'll settle for. Anyone in the business world knows this.

Regardless, the patents Apple was defending aren't required to stay competitive, let alone to function as a modern day smartphone. Samsung's patents on their other hand, from which they were asking EVEN MORE than what Apple wanted for theirs, are essential. There's no pussyfooting around it.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

http://i.imgur.com/TLxT1.png



http://i.imgur.com/tDwSF.png



http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17yxnt000v3kdjpg/xlarge.jpg


With teh lulz out of the way, the kicker...

HTC and Samsung already taking legal action against Apple’s iPhone 5 | Ubergizmo (http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/09/htc-and-samsung-already-taking-legal-action-against-apples-iphone-5/)

[Broomfield Racing]

Looks like a very high quality product. I loved seeing parts of their manufacturing process in the video. I'll be buying one at some point but likely not tomorrow.

[stealthify]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4

I've lost all hope for humanity. :p :)

[IPD]

This might be true if it weren't so misconstrued by the Android fan-base. :p

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Judge finds HTC guilty of infringing two Apple patents; could mean trouble for Android [updated] (http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/16/judge-finds-htc-guilty-of-infringing-two-apple-patents-could-mean-trouble-for-android/)



If this weren't the case, Apple would be suing EVERYONE, not just the ones that are so obviously and shamelessly Apple-like.

And if you still believe Apple is all about starting lawsuits:

Tim Cook Wants Rivals to 'Invent Their Own Stuff' | PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/254541/tim_cook_wants_rivals_to_invent_their_own_stuff.ht ml)



Which has proven to be the case. Apple tried to settle with Samsung multiple times, even offering to license their patents, before Samsung eventually forced Apple to drag them to court. Even after the court battle started, they still were given opportunities to play fair. They did not. If anything, Samsung was anti-competitive, trying to force Apple to pay exuberant prices for standard-essential patents like those necessary for 3G connectivity, etc. Now Samsung is in hot water with their own government over these issues:

South Korea launches antitrust inquiry into Samsung - Boston.com (http://articles.boston.com/2012-09-07/business/33646317_1_samsung-electronics-seoul-court-standard-essential-patents)

As they say, "the more you know."

i'm sorry, but you have obviously not read any of the patents these "lawsuits" are based on...nor are you familiar with any of the "prior art" which underscores this entire issue.

touch-screens, icons, swiping, etc---NOTHING apple has put forth was original to apple. they have played mix & match better than any other manufacturer...but they have not INVENTED anything. "successful" apple suits...are the first round of court appearances. it usually slips past the iTards that the court is in Apple's backyard & the judge is herself an iTard. i don't expect the verdict will stand when it reaches a REAL court.

[stealthify]

i'm sorry, but you have obviously not read any of the patents these "lawsuits" are based on...nor are you familiar with any of the "prior art" which underscores this entire issue.
I was going to say the same to you. What part do you think I missed? Have you been too busy being spoon-fed by Samsung's PR team to come to your own conclusions and do your own research? (e.g. thinking Samsung vs Apple was truly all about "rectangles with rounded corners") :Doh:


touch-screens, icons, swiping, etc---NOTHING apple has put forth was original to apple. they have played mix & match better than any other manufacturer...but they have not INVENTED anything. "successful" apple suits...are the first round of court appearances. it usually slips past the iTards that the court is in Apple's backyard & the judge is herself an iTard. i don't expect the verdict will stand when it reaches a REAL court.

This is a whole different argument, and once again, no one here has ever claimed that Apple "invented" this stuff. You keep reverting back to the same tired attacks on whom you call "iTards", and your arguments are sounding as naive and baseless as theirs.

Here's the cold hard truth for you. Apple has been innovative, not inventive, in their technological advancements. There is a difference, but no less important. Apple has taken failed products and made them a "success" - with success being defined by their adoption rate by both technically-savvy and techno-illiterate people alike. Apple has turned out a quality product year-in and year-out that have turned people like me, who have used computers all my life, into a fan and devoted user. I have spent time on both sides of the fence, using Windows at work, and OS X at home. I have found what works for me, and it is good. I'm not saying you should adopt it like I have, but I am saying you should get your facts straight so that you can pose a better and more factual argument.

[IPD]

i have no problem with apple innovating. i have a problem with them deciding that it's ok to eliminate competition by suing them out of existence. if apple could compete--on its own--it wouldn't need to sue. heck, if apple had a compelling & innovative enough product, it wouldn't have to sue. what apple is doing is based on the realization that by being a leader in innovation and not invention it risks losing all market-share & relevance to other companies who can out-innovate. we're not talking about a revolutionary type of internal combustion engine here--we're talking about a freaking smartphone.

you can't convince me that apple started the market. palm wasn't even the first PDA player--it was probably someone hacking their ti-82 calculator. innnovation in the years since has been one company building on the ideas of another. sure, there are some things which are patentable...but for a company based around innovation, there's virtually nothing that can be patented legitimately. don't ascribe a broken patent system as sanction for such actions.

now it's your turn. list one patent that apple has doesn't have legitimate prior art. i'll wait.

p.s.

i haven't read any samsung PR. i honestly don't know how samsung is fighting this battle. what i do know is the dubious content of apple's patents & the extremely broken patent system.

[stealthify]

i have a problem with them deciding that it's ok to eliminate competition by suing them out of existence.

Samsung or anyone else that has stepped on Apple's toes won't be going out of existence any time soon. You're so melodramatic.

Apple can clearly compete with or without the lawsuits. They have the world's #1 top selling smartphone, before the lawsuits and after. However, this wouldn't last very long if they let others just chip away at the combined elements that make their phone a fan-favorite. What you're arguing for is that all phones should intermingle, look alike, and cease to be creative. I'm saying the opposite.

Force Samsung and other phone manufacturers to spend more time on R&D. Make them pay for designers, as opposed to letting them just follow suit and copy what Apple's done because what they appear to be doing is working.

With hard work comes reward, and Samsung, trying to rush a product to market to compete with the iPhone, did not put in the hard work. And it shows.


now it's your turn. list one patent that apple has doesn't have legitimate prior art. i'll wait.
Easy. The iPhone (hear me out).

Samsung found prior art in regards to the iPad, but the iPhone design patents could not be negated because it was not easily mistakable with any known device before it. Sure, there were rectangular devices with touch screens before it (just like there are many after it), but at least Apple had the decency to make their design look different enough to never be confused with them. If only all other manufacturers could show the same courtesy.

As far as patents that (likely) haven't been done before and therefore don't have prior art, here's a bonus round for you:
Apple solar patent wants a sunny display light for your Sunny (De)light -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/apple-solar-patent-wants-a-sunny-display-light-for-your-sunny-d/)

[HilbillyHomeboy]

The ONLY people winning in these absurd challenges is...the lawyers. The losers are the consumers, seeing as how someone has to pay the 7 digit attorney fees.

As they say, shit rolls downhill and picks up speed.

Jeremy

[stealthify]

That's the truth. I'm in the wrong business.

[IPD]

samsung didn't put in the hard work...yet the s3 is outselling iphone in droves. hmmmm....

i should correct myself and mention that apple has invented some things though. like their proprietary connectors. nothing says "we love our customers" like making a $30 cable that any existing micro USB could do just as easily.

[NickS VR4]

samsung didn't put in the hard work...yet the s3 is outselling iphone in droves. hmmmm....

i should correct myself and mention that apple has invented some things though. like their proprietary connectors. nothing says "we love our customers" like making a $30 cable that any existing micro USB could do just as easily.

Exactly. The only reason they have that connector is to make royalties off the licensing of that connector. Personally, I think the iPhone 5 should ship with the adapter pre-packaged, not an add on option.

[Broomfield Racing]

samsung didn't put in the hard work...yet the s3 is outselling iphone in droves. hmmmm....

i should correct myself and mention that apple has invented some things though. like their proprietary connectors. nothing says "we love our customers" like making a $30 cable that any existing micro USB could do just as easily.

I sure hope the s3 is outselling the iPhone right now...who the hell would buy an iPhone when the new model is coming out this month? Tomorrow will be a different story.

[stealthify]

samsung didn't put in the hard work...yet the s3 is outselling iphone in droves. hmmmm....

i should correct myself and mention that apple has invented some things though. like their proprietary connectors. nothing says "we love our customers" like making a $30 cable that any existing micro USB could do just as easily.

I wish you were an Apple user, just for a day, so you can learn what in the world you're talking about.

You don't have to buy your cables and adapters from Apple. Apple may have their own brand with their own set price, but virtually EVERY single cable and adapter Apple has "invented" (or adopted) has an alternate brand that sells them as well (often for much cheaper).

Give it about a week, and Monoprice.com will have the adapters and cable for a combined total of $5.00 (like the previous adapters (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=112&cp_id=11212&cs_id=1083101&p_id=9423&seq=1&format=2)). Hopefully that's cheap enough for you.

PS - the same goes for RAM, harddrives, PCI cards, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. All can be found for much cheaper elsewhere (http://www.macsales.com/), and are completely interchangeable regardless of what Apple offers in their stores.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

I wish you were an Apple user, just for a day, so you can learn what in the world you're talking about.

You don't have to buy your cables and adapters from Apple. Apple may have their own brand with their own set price, but virtually EVERY single cable and adapter Apple has "invented" (or adopted) has an alternate brand that sells them as well (often for much cheaper).

Give it about a week, and Monoprice.com will have the adapters and cable for a combined total of $5.00 (like the previous adapters (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=112&cp_id=11212&cs_id=1083101&p_id=9423&seq=1&format=2)). Hopefully that's cheap enough for you.

PS - the same goes for RAM, harddrives, PCI cards, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. All can be found for much cheaper elsewhere (http://www.macsales.com/), and are completely interchangeable regardless of what Apple offers in their stores.

For the iPhone5, Apple has indicated they intend to keep the adapter cables proprietary for a while. Also, it appears they're not even available until October? "Video and iPod out not supported", that's direct from Apple. This seems to happen with all of their next gen releases. It couldn't have taken much to make the Lightning be able to convert a digi signal to analog, I wouldn't think.

Jeremy

[stealthify]

For the iPhone5, Apple has indicated they intend to keep the adapter cables proprietary for a while. Also, it appears they're not even available until October? "Video and iPod out not supported", that's direct from Apple. This seems to happen with all of their next gen releases. It couldn't have taken much to make the Lightning be able to convert a digi signal to analog, I wouldn't think.

Jeremy

I can't defend Apple for taking so long on the adapters. This is a crap move, I'll admit it. I, too, have an old dock that I was hoping to use again at some point.

On the flip side, I do see the need for a smaller plug - the old one was huge and outdated. Also worth noting: USB2, which most smartphones use, never supported direct audio/video out either.

[IPD]

I wish you were an Apple user, just for a day, so you can learn what in the world you're talking about.

You don't have to buy your cables and adapters from Apple. Apple may have their own brand with their own set price, but virtually EVERY single cable and adapter Apple has "invented" (or adopted) has an alternate brand that sells them as well (often for much cheaper).

Give it about a week, and Monoprice.com will have the adapters and cable for a combined total of $5.00 (like the previous adapters (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=112&cp_id=11212&cs_id=1083101&p_id=9423&seq=1&format=2)). Hopefully that's cheap enough for you.

PS - the same goes for RAM, harddrives, PCI cards, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. All can be found for much cheaper elsewhere (http://www.macsales.com/), and are completely interchangeable regardless of what Apple offers in their stores.

so you espouse buying knockoff apple stuff, even though if apple had its druthers, it would sue those "illegitimate" companies out of business...just like they did with psystar.

f. apple.

[stealthify]

so you espouse buying knockoff apple stuff, even though if apple had its druthers, it would sue those "illegitimate" companies out of business...just like they did with psystar.

No. Not related - at all. Sorry.

Prystar got shut down because it was unauthorized hardware running Apple-made software. Apple heavily subsidizes the price of their software ($19 for a full OS, I mean really) in order to make up for it in hardware. When Prystar started making their hackintoshes, Apple was losing money on the software they had spent money developing. How is that fair? What moral society are you living in?

So no, the cable is nothing like that. Apple doesn't own a patent that prevents others from making cables. Monoprice, RadioShack, etc can make all the cables they want. It's rubber and copper. Can they make it glossy white, put it in Apple-like packaging, and put an Apple logo on it? Probably not. But they can add their own twist to it (color, adapter shape), make sure it fits and functions, and be done with it.

[NickS VR4]

iPhone 5 on Verizon Can’t do Simultaneous Voice and Data, Something Android Phones Have No Problem With – Droid Life (http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/13/iphone-5-on-verizon-cant-do-simultaneous-voice-and-data/)

LMAO. Role reversal. Before it was Apple laughing at android with the browsing and talking at the same time. Now Android can and Apple can't. Can't wait to hear the Apple Fanboys talk about how its not needed now.

[stealthify]

Before it was Apple laughing at android with the browsing and talking at the same time.

Actually, that was AT&T laughing at Verizon for not being able to browse/talk at the same time.

AT&T Responds to Verizon's Attack Ads (http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15896&news=ATT+Verizon+3G)


AT&T also claims its 3G network is faster than Verizon's, and has another advantage, too: it lets users talk and surf the web or send e-mail simultaneously.

I don't pretend to have a good memory, but that was pretty memorable.

[NickS VR4]

Actually, that was AT&T laughing at Verizon for not being able to browse/talk at the same time.

AT&T Responds to Verizon's Attack Ads (http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15896&news=ATT+Verizon+3G)

I don't pretend to have a good memory, but that was pretty memorable.

So either way its funny. On Verizon you get no Data while talking, and on AT&T you drop to 3G when talking. Android on the other hand gets LTE while on the phone. Guessing that is the downfall to combining the two radios in one.

[stealthify]

I'm going to wait until I hear a little more info on that one. I, too, wouldn't want a phone that couldn't do data/voice at the same time.

It's odd that this would only (allegedly) apply to the iPhone 5 on Verizon's network.

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

I had 2 friends by iPhones despite me telling them to either go HTC or Samsung. Both their phones have already broken once. They are cutting cost and falling behind.

[stealthify]

I had 2 friends by iPhones despite me telling them to either go HTC or Samsung. Both their phones have already broken once. They are cutting cost and falling behind.

How did they break?

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

One had the power button break and the other had her screen break.

[IPD]

No. Not related - at all. Sorry.

Prystar got shut down because it was unauthorized hardware running Apple-made software. Apple heavily subsidizes the price of their software ($19 for a full OS, I mean really) in order to make up for it in hardware. When Prystar started making their hackintoshes, Apple was losing money on the software they had spent money developing. How is that fair? What moral society are you living in?

So no, the cable is nothing like that. Apple doesn't own a patent that prevents others from making cables. Monoprice, RadioShack, etc can make all the cables they want. It's rubber and copper. Can they make it glossy white, put it in Apple-like packaging, and put an Apple logo on it? Probably not. But they can add their own twist to it (color, adapter shape), make sure it fits and functions, and be done with it.

ah....so apple has a flawed business model to boot. good to know. it's a frickin pc we're talking about here, not a damn game console.

[stealthify]

Yes flawed, very flawed.

[IPD]

Yes flawed, very flawed.

look, if MS can license their primary OS to manufacturers for $100 or less, there's no justification whatsoever for the $500 premium that apple devices have over similarly-spec'd parts. at worst, apple should have licensed their OS to psystar. but that wasn't good enough; apple wanted psystar out of business.

apple doesn't want competition. white-device speaks with forked tongue.

[Disrupter]

Funny read:
GooPhone I5, iPhone 5 Knockoff, Already On Sale In China (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/goophone-i5-iphone-5-knockoff-china-copyright-battle_n_1865764.html)

[stealthify]

look, if MS can license their primary OS to manufacturers for $100 or less, there's no justification whatsoever for the $500 premium that apple devices have over similarly-spec'd parts. at worst, apple should have licensed their OS to psystar. but that wasn't good enough; apple wanted psystar out of business.

In case you didn't know, Apple tried that once, and it failed -- hard. This was actually around the time I first started using Apple computers and software. The licensing program was from 1995 through 1997, and some of the manufacturers they licensed to were Power Computing (which I owned 1 of), Motorola, Radius, APS Technologies, and UMAX, among others. The problem? Many of these clones were trash, increasingly difficult to work with and not worth the effort for Apple to try to support alongside their own. The program was killing Apple both financially and in brand value, as we all know the company wasn't doing so well in the mid-90's.

So? They killed the license program. Who are we to tell them to run their business differently? They found a solution that works, is profitable (which is every business's goal), and makes customers happy.

Customers have choices when they buy a computer. Apple has the choice on whether or not to license their OS to crappier hardware manufacturers, or to just focus on making their OS work as flawlessly as possible with their own computers. Microsoft made the choice to license their OS to manufacturers that make 90% trash and (at best) 10% laptops/desktops that are actually worth using.

You say that Apple doesn't want competition: Microsoft IS still the competition. Android is the competition. And as long as they continue to turn out crappy products more often than not, I'm sure Apple will LOVE them as competitors. Their bad press (frustrated users, budget designs, cheap materials, etc) makes Apple looks great in comparison, just as the same would work in reverse.

[Disrupter]

And as long as they continue to turn out crappy products more often than not, I'm sure Apple will LOVE them as competitors. Their bad press (frustrated users, budget designs, cheap materials, etc) makes Apple looks great in comparison, just as the same would work in reverse.

I wouldnt say crappy products or cheap materials. I have dropped all my android devices (HTC Evo, Samsung GS2 and GS3) multiple time from over 4'. (I have the mentality where I dont really care about the condition anymore and as long as it works I am happy) and never had any problems (I did eventually get 1 small crack on my evo that didnt affect performance/usage at all). All of my ifriends who have dropped their portable apple products have cracked screens... and I mean cracked! They hold onto it and cherish it like a newborn and 1 drop is all it takes, which is kinda funny/sad. But business is booming if you replace Iphone/touch screens.:Clap:. Take a ride on any NYC train during rush hour, and you can see how many cracked Iphone users they are, its crazy!

I have nothing against Apple, to me they used to make some cool stuff, now I feel like they just repackage the same thing and have lost their edge. Even still I have never been drawn to apple. Ive been happy with my HTC/Samsung phones, never had problems with them, and once rooted, its hard to get bored when you have so many roms to choose from, its also kind of addicting. I will agree though some of their low end products can be crappy, but thats why they are free or dumb cheap to get with a new plan.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

iPhone 5 on Verizon Can’t do Simultaneous Voice and Data, Something Android Phones Have No Problem With – Droid Life (http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/13/iphone-5-on-verizon-cant-do-simultaneous-voice-and-data/)

LMAO. Role reversal. Before it was Apple laughing at android with the browsing and talking at the same time. Now Android can and Apple can't. Can't wait to hear the Apple Fanboys talk about how its not needed now.

Well hell, I didn't know my LTE droid could do data and calls simultaneously on VZW. TIL. :)

My last phone, the droid2, I dropped the first day I had it at a football game. Tumbling down several rows of concrete steps. Banged it up, but didn't affect performance whatsoever. My new phone, I also dropped (within 48 hrs of owning it) from about 4 feet and landed in my concrete driveway. Notched the corner pretty good, but it works flawlessly. This is why I can't have nice things. :D

Jeremy

[Zaroth]

ah....so apple has a flawed business model to boot. good to know. it's a frickin pc we're talking about here, not a damn game console.

I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but they are one of the most profitable companies ever. I don't think their business plan is flawed.

They just chose to cater to a user base that doesn't know anything about computers. Turns out that is a lot of people.

[stealthify]

I wouldnt say crappy products or cheap materials. I have dropped all my android devices (HTC Evo, Samsung GS2 and GS3) multiple time from over 4'. (I have the mentality where I dont really care about the condition anymore and as long as it works I am happy) and never had any problems (I did eventually get 1 small crack on my evo that didnt affect performance/usage at all). All of my ifriends who have dropped their portable apple products have cracked screens... and I mean cracked! They hold onto it and cherish it like a newborn and 1 drop is all it takes, which is kinda funny/sad. But business is booming if you replace Iphone/touch screens.:Clap:. Take a ride on any NYC train during rush hour, and you can see how many cracked Iphone users they are, its crazy!

I have nothing against Apple, to me they used to make some cool stuff, now I feel like they just repackage the same thing and have lost their edge. Even still I was never been drawn to it. Ive been happy with my HTC/Samsung phones, never had problems with them, and once rooted, its hard to get bored when you have so many roms to choose from, its also kind of addicting. I will agree though some of their low end products can be crappy, but thats why they are free or dumb cheap to get with a new plan.

Just to clarify, I didn't say all were crappy products using cheap materials. But a good portion of them are (like I said, about 90% of the current offerings, vs the 10% that are made to a standard even the picky can appreciate - even if it brings up the price a bit).

I will admit, and it appears Apple agrees, that the vulnerable glass was a bad idea. That's likely why they changed the glass back cover to anodized 6000-series aluminum, and adopted the supposedly "much stronger" Gorilla Glass 2 for the front. For as much as quality smartphones are worth this day, dropping it is my worst nightmare. If you're running around without a case though, and you're known to drop things, then you're just asking for trouble.

[NickS VR4]

A little off topic, but Gorilla Glass 2 isn't stronger, just thinner. Maybe even weaker.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

A little off topic, but Gorilla Glass 2 isn't stronger, just thinner. Maybe even weaker.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I stand corrected. I'm not particularly sold on the marketed strength of Gorilla Glass, but this is pretty much the best option smartphones have available to them -- isn't it?

I know the S3 and Lumia's use it, among others.

[DocWalt]

My Droid 4 has gorilla glass (maybe 2, idk) and I pretty much twisted the phone in half on an axis while karting and no damage done. No scratches on my original Droid after dropping it on pavement countless times. I'm sold on gorilla glass.

[NickS VR4]

I stand corrected. I'm not particularly sold on the marketed strength of Gorilla Glass, but this is pretty much the best option smartphones have available to them -- isn't it?

I know the S3 and Lumia's use it, among others.

I believe it does something, but nothing really can stop majority of broken screen scenarios, except a case. I think phones needs raised edges. The screen shouldn't be the highest point.

Also I would put screen protectors on every screen anyway. Again, off topic.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

It looked solid in all of the marketing material I've seen on it, but I'm surprised with how easy it breaks on a fall (perhaps only when contained within an aluminum frame).

I ended up getting in on Apple's free bumper program, and I have dropped my phone out my lap before when exiting a tall truck. The phone survived, but I doubt the glass would have had it not been for the bumper.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

yeah the iphones *seem* to break their screens easier. I literally know no one who isn't on their 2,3,4,5th iphone for screen breakage or something else went wrong with it.

meanwhile all of my androids and everyone's else's that I know haven't broken. on the droid x the screen isn't the highest point. the case sticks barely higher than it.

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

Ive dropped my HTC Desire and Sensation repeatedly on hard surfaces with no ill effects. I have a thin plastic cover on the backs with screens still exposed and never a problem...

[IPD]

In case you didn't know, Apple tried that once, and it failed -- hard. This was actually around the time I first started using Apple computers and software. The licensing program was from 1995 through 1997, and some of the manufacturers they licensed to were Power Computing (which I owned 1 of), Motorola, Radius, APS Technologies, and UMAX, among others. The problem? Many of these clones were trash, increasingly difficult to work with and not worth the effort for Apple to try to support alongside their own. The program was killing Apple both financially and in brand value, as we all know the company wasn't doing so well in the mid-90's.

So? They killed the license program. Who are we to tell them to run their business differently? They found a solution that works, is profitable (which is every business's goal), and makes customers happy.

Customers have choices when they buy a computer. Apple has the choice on whether or not to license their OS to crappier hardware manufacturers, or to just focus on making their OS work as flawlessly as possible with their own computers. Microsoft made the choice to license their OS to manufacturers that make 90% trash and (at best) 10% laptops/desktops that are actually worth using.

You say that Apple doesn't want competition: Microsoft IS still the competition. Android is the competition. And as long as they continue to turn out crappy products more often than not, I'm sure Apple will LOVE them as competitors. Their bad press (frustrated users, budget designs, cheap materials, etc) makes Apple looks great in comparison, just as the same would work in reverse.

back in 1997 (back just before jobs got re-hired--which i applauded, btw) apple was using proprietary chips. of course you're going to have issues with 3rd parties running your OS if it's designed for a quirky BIOS & chip. with the migration to intel, apple has no such issues any longer (though it has ironically opened the door to more potential types of hacks). with the intel-based systems, licensing to third-parties shouldn't be a problem.

furthermore, it rests on the third-parties to support their own products, not appple (nor microsoft). if a HARDWARE issue is causing the problem, then it's clearly the fault of the third-party hardware provider--otherwise, apple's own in-house products would be suffering the same issues. microsoft isn't responsible for the video-card crapping out in my sager any more than it was responsible for my hp tossing a hard-drive. don't put a spin on it. apple could easily license--they're being elitist pricks.

p.s.

it's not microsoft's fault that it's licensees make "trash" with their products--and thank you for proving my point. if apple wants its consumers to have a quality product...then by all means, continue to make one. the difference is, apple can't charge a stupidly-high premium on its products if any legitimate 3rd parties were to offer identical quality at a lower price.

p.p.s.

if the competition sucks so hard, wtf does apple keep suing like it owns 20 paper mills? the flaw in the iTard logic is thus: apple is innovative and must sue its competition to insure its patents are honored--&--at the same time, apple's competition suxxors the big11!!!11, and can't hold a match to apple. both cannot be true. in fact, neither is technically true--yet in the minds of the iTard nation, there is no dichotomy here.

[DocWalt]

Apple makes mediocre PCs that run a closed OS. If that's what you want, go for it, but keep in mind Apple isn't perfect and they've released plenty of buggy software or crap hardware of their own. If you want an "open" system that's supported by pretty much every manufacturer on the market, get a regular Windows PC and deal with any issues that may arise. If you want a truly open OS, go for Linux (or equivalent) and deal with doing nearly everything yourself or supported by a forum.

Pick your poison.

[vroom4]

I went through 15 screens on my original Iphone 3g over the course of 3 years. Do I win something?

[DocWalt]

You have too much patience?

[stealthify]

back in 1997 (back just before jobs got re-hired--which i applauded, btw) apple was using proprietary chips. of course you're going to have issues with 3rd parties running your OS if it's designed for a quirky BIOS & chip. with the migration to intel, apple has no such issues any longer (though it has ironically opened the door to more potential types of hacks). with the intel-based systems, licensing to third-parties shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think you fully understood what I said.


furthermore, it rests on the third-parties to support their own products, not appple (nor microsoft). if a HARDWARE issue is causing the problem, then it's clearly the fault of the third-party hardware provider--otherwise, apple's own in-house products would be suffering the same issues. microsoft isn't responsible for the video-card crapping out in my sager any more than it was responsible for my hp tossing a hard-drive. don't put a spin on it. apple could easily license--they're being elitist pricks.
Here's the assumption you just made: "If it's the hardware issues causing problems, then people will blame the third-party hardware provider."

No. Wrong. So far from the truth.

In reality, when their computer is on the fritz, most people (and we're not talking the self-proclaimed computer "professionals" in this thread), most people won't know who to blame. It brings the entire user experience down. Kernel panics? Corrupted RAM? Failed harddrives? To the average user, this is just as likely to look like an OS problem as it would anything else. The result? Less satisfied customers, more fragmentation, and ultimately more work for Apple. It's no wonder they don't go that path, I see this enough as-is with Windows machines at ANY place I've ever worked. Whenever a Windows laptop gets dropped off at my desk for repair for what turns out to be a hardware failure, 9 times out of 10 the naive user thinks they just got a virus or corrupted the system. Most people are clueless, and that's why letting crap manufacturers package your OS with your systems is a bad idea.

That is something Apple got right, and is perhaps why their Mac vs PC advertisement campaign was as successful as it was in getting users to switch. People were increasingly frustrated with their PC's, and Microsoft doesn't give 2 sh*ts about who they licensed their OS to, because to Microsoft, money is money. This is the same reason Google just gives away their OS -- they don't care who runs it because just by sheer marketshare, the more Android phones they have out there, the more money they'll make by dragging them into their ecosystems and revenue-generating machine.

How much money does Google make from mobile? | ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/how-much-money-does-google-make-from-mobile/15539)

So in a world of evil, Apple makes money on hardware, Google makes their money from mass advertisements and Microsoft makes their money from licensing. They're each different in their own way, and each have their own share of benefits and drawbacks.


it's not microsoft's fault that it's licensees make "trash" with their products
Yes, it is. To be honest, if I were in Ballmer's shoes, I would crack down on licensees in order to boost user experience. I would weed out the bad third-party manufacturers, set some sort of standard so that this problem wouldn't be as bad as it is today. People don't have time, or the interest, to sit down and research why the $299 PC laptop isn't as good as the $699, when to them, a laptop looks like a laptop, and should just work.

Us experienced users take this for granted. We know which brands to avoid, and we know that not all laptops are the same.


if the competition sucks so hard, wtf does apple keep suing like it owns 20 paper mills?
I may be wrong, but I think now that the high-profile Samsung vs Apple lawsuit is over, we'll be seeing a significant drop in lawsuits. Why? Because Apple made its point: "don't copy us, create your own stuff." Other manufacturers know this now if they didn't before, and will come up with their own, unique style of design. The initial boom of smartphones being rushed to the market to compete is over, and now I'm sure Samsung, Nokia, etc all have development in the wings for what will be the next generation of smartphones. And we should all be wishing them the best.

[IPD]

apple back down from lawsuits? never. they spend more money on lawyers than the GDP of a small third-world country. you're badly mistaken if you think this was the zenith. apple has to sue, or it can't remain relevant.

microsoft HAS cut down on crap offerings--wtf do you think the surface was created? acer sure as shit isn't happy about that.

people blame the software first? lol! please. consumers are much more divided along brand lines than along OS lines. for every 1 person who might say "i'm never using OS "xyz" again", there's 100 who are saying "i'm never buying brand "x" again. you make it sound like that's a BAD thing that there's competition in windows hardware. the reality is, when you have only one hardware manufacturer, there's no natural counterbalance for design flaws. MS drew a shitton of complaints because of RROD on the 360; had there been alternative hardware, the market would have naturally balanced itself away from MS hardware. same thing holds true for apple. apple responds to its design flaws (the myriads of them) by saying things like "you're holding it wrong". that shit would never fly if it had any real competition in the hardware segment.

so contrary to how you spell it out, licensing not only offers consumers more choice--it protects them against "epic-fail" on behalf of one company.

[stealthify]

licensing not only offers consumers more choice--it protects them against "epic-fail" on behalf of one company.


So in a world of evil, Apple makes money on hardware, Google makes their money from mass advertisements and Microsoft makes their money from licensing. They're each different in their own way, and each have their own share of benefits and drawbacks.

I'm just reporting what I see from the inside. You'd be surprised who people try to blame, and how often they're completely wrong.

Perhaps Apple should license their OS to other manufacturers that are able to meet or exceed a certain standard (to avoid the problems I mentioned earlier). But this means their main source of income, hardware, would have to be rethought and restructured. They would be a far cry from the Apple we know today.

But you hit on a good point. What we do know is that Microsoft is making waves with the Surface. Waves within their own company by shifting into becoming more of a hardware company (like Apple), and waves outside their company with other manufacturers like Acer whining because their territory (hardware) is being invaded.

If what we're seeing is any indication, I think we'll see Microsoft become even more hardware-focused, and will eventually phase out licensing when its no longer their largest or most worthy source of income.

Guess we'll see.

[IPD]

ms won't phase out licensing. there is no way it can possibly retain OS market share by being the only manufacturer for windows pc's. and if it tried going down that road, linux would likely become the choice OS for software/gaming development.

MS isn't stupid.

[stealthify]

As Apple is showing, marketshare isn't everything. You can have a lower marketshare and still make boatloads of money.

And MS isn't stupid? They've poo-pooed everything successful out of Apple and Google for the last 10 years.

Microsoft's Ballmer Dismisses iPhone | NewsFactor Network (http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=003000C99JN6)
Ballmer dismisses Google Android | Mobile - CNET News (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10083590-94.html)

Funny, is it not?

[IPD]

ballmer is a douche canoe---almost as big of one as jobs.

[IPD]

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/samsungad.jpeg

[stealthify]

Are we really going to play this game? :lol:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17zbg8y20sj2sjpg/original.jpg

[IPD]

"game center"

lol! i love the apple PR section--i want to hire the entire division for a presidential run.

[stealthify]

That could get interesting. :p

[Broomfield Racing]

"Following today's announcement by AT&T sharing word that the iPhone 5 has broken pre-order sales records at the carrier, Apple has issued a press release noting that it too saw record-breaking pre-orders of over two million units in the first 24 hours of availability."

[IPD]

"Following today's announcement by AT&T sharing word that the iPhone 5 has broken pre-order sales records at the carrier, Apple has issued a press release noting that it too saw record-breaking pre-orders of over two million units in the first 24 hours of availability."

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUz6vHEQCM

[ictponder]

Thought this was pretty funny! Makes me wonder if people really know anything about the phones they buy or if they're simply following the herd.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=player_embedded

[IPD]

Thought this was pretty funny! Makes me wonder if people really know anything about the phones they buy or if they're simply following the herd.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=player_embedded

you actually wonder that? you mean the answer isn't obvious to you? :suspect:

[IPD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUz6vHEQCM

is that a blurred out picture of a guy's dick at 2:30 in that video call? :awesome:

[Frostedbutts]

I am surprised this thread went the way it did.

Stealthify vehemently defending Apple using extreme cognitive dissonance to justify their poor choices, and IPD arguing his excessively strong opinions on everything and getting really really mad because people like things he doesn't like. I don't think this has ever happened in the history of a 3SGTO thread in relation to Apple.

[stealthify]

Thought this was pretty funny! Makes me wonder if people really know anything about the phones they buy or if they're simply following the herd.
The beauty of Kimmel's skit is you'd likely get the same reaction regardless of what phone you're trying to pass off as the 'new generation.' Can most people on the street tell the difference between a Galaxy S II or an S III? You should go try it. :p

They pretty much read threads like this (more likely only the subject), assume what others say to be true (e.g. "Apple sucks", "Android sucks", etc), and count on those people to actually know what they're talking about.

Sadly, not everyone does their own research -- I mean, what a time-consuming inconvenience, right? :p

[ictponder]

The beauty of Kimmel's skit is you'd likely get the same reaction regardless of what phone you're trying to pass off as the 'new generation.' Can most people on the street tell the difference between a Galaxy S II or an S III? You should go try it. :p

They pretty much read threads like this (more likely only the subject), assume what others say to be true (e.g. "Apple sucks", "Android sucks", etc), and count on those people to actually know what they're talking about.

Sadly, not everyone does their own research -- I mean, what a time-consuming inconvenience, right? :p

I spent a week demo'ing 3 different phones (HTC Trophy, iPhone 4, Samsung Fascinate) before I chose my Windows Phone. Granted I have the convenience of working at a Verizon store but I see people coming in and asking for a phone and have absolutely NO reason why they want said phone. BTW I did not choose my phone based on hardware specs, it was purely the OS. The iPhone 4 had far superior hardware at the time. TBH I'd love to have the Galaxy SIII running WP8 but I'll just wait for the Lumia 920.

[stealthify]

Granted I have the convenience of working at a Verizon store but I see people coming in and asking for a phone and have absolutely NO reason why they want said phone.

I'd believe it man. What's interesting, and somewhat on the flipside, is sitting in on a number of conversations between the reps and my friends/family at various mobile retailers. While many of the employs clearly had their own biases (the Verizon Stores I've attended tend to really push Android phones, AT&T seemed to be more supportive of the iPhone), they came up with the silliest reasons why a "clueless" person should buy one OS over another.

For example, one Verizon rep was trying to convince an elderly lady that she should buy an Android phone because of many of the same reasons listed in this thread ("Apple is evil", "Apple fanboys are annoying", "Android is more configurable", "Android is more open and you can make your own apps!"). Do you think this old lady gave 2-toots about any of this stuff? She just wants a phone that doesn't give her a headache. I really hope, as someone that works at Verizon, that you consider how a person plans to use their phone, and how each OS has their benefits and drawbacks depending on the type of person that will be using it. It's not always so black and white.

[IPD]

I am surprised this thread went the way it did.

Stealthify vehemently defending Apple using extreme cognitive dissonance to justify their poor choices, and IPD arguing his excessively strong opinions on everything and getting really really mad because people like things he doesn't like. I don't think this has ever happened in the history of a 3SGTO thread in relation to Apple.

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/106/84f7837bc5814e7aa58beb258610d63d/l.jpg

[IPD]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y1k0JthuZuk/T_sqGcCGtjI/AAAAAAAADpY/dXq7oryiWt0/s400/23204566.jpg

[Zaroth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM&feature=player_embedded

[Intropy]

Apple has no competition in software / UI / design, but IMO they are beginning to rely on this a bit too much. While I think the iPhone 5 is an obvious buy for a new customer or outdated iPhone user, I see no reason anyone would switch from an iPhone 4S or a high-end Android device.

[onebadmollafolla]

Apple has no competition in software / UI / design, but IMO they are beginning to rely on this a bit too much. While I think the iPhone 5 is an obvious buy for a new customer or outdated iPhone user, I see no reason anyone would switch from an iPhone 4S or a high-end Android device.

I can give a real life example. A friend of mine who is a die hard iPhone user, always used them, has one now, won't be buying the new one. He threw hundreds of dollars at docks and anything else that fits the iPhone charger...they made a completely new one for no reason. His reason for switching to Android come time for a new phone is that Apple isn't looking in support of their current users, but rather trying to money grab by using an old old fashion tactic of "we'll replace everything so they have to buy all new accessories." He's fed up with their lack of caring for their current supporters, so he's switching to a platform that doesn't make you drop another few hundred dollars just to accommodate another phone. An entire platform of different manufacturers makes the same usb port, but Apple has to remain unique to its own, and changes from its previous model. That's a nice "F*** off" to its customers. Best part is, he never entertained the idea of anything else until he had first hand experience with just how blatant Apple is with its self-made scumbag model for sales. He'll be joining the majority soon.

[NickS VR4]

IMO it would be wise for apple to include at least one adapter with the phone, but I know that doesn't fit into their overpriced business model.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

I can give a real life example. A friend of mine who is a die hard iPhone user, always used them, has one now, won't be buying the new one. He threw hundreds of dollars at docks and anything else that fits the iPhone charger...they made a completely new one for no reason.

I'm sorry man, but Apple has kept the same dock connector for nearly a decade. At some point you have to let it go in favor of something that's smaller and just makes more sense for modern technology. In this case, that means dropping analog pins in favor of going all digital. That sounds about right compared to where we were 9 years ago.

Apple does include a USB3/Lightning cable and a wall-plug charger with each iPhone and iPod, for free. As far as docks go, if you think Apple is just trying to make everyone "pay them for new accessories," that doesn't seem to quite line up with this news:

No Dock for the iPhone 5, Says SVP Phil Schiller (http://gizmodo.com/5944431/no-dock-for-the-iphone-5-says-svp-phil-schiller)

That's not to say I don't think Apple is trying to make money. They are. They're a business, after all. But at the rate technology is growing, if you'll abandon a company because they change a connector, you might as well quit the game. I didn't shed any tears when my SCSI peripherals became obsolete.

[NickS VR4]

Why not use micro USB?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

Because Micro USB only has 5 pins (as opposed to the 9 pins that Apple decided on)?

In short, each of the pins offer a different function. Some include your basics (power/ground), others for data, but the rest are for interacting with certain features that third-party accessories might, and likely will, incorporate. The original iWhatever cable had 30-pins, a mixture of analog and digital, and was at this point just redundant. It was time to simplify.

Not to mention making the plug reversible. Granted this is a small bonus, but one that is still welcome. I know I hate fiddling in the dark while trying to plug in a standard USB cable on the nightstand. Attention to detail. Why aren't all USB-styled cables designed to be reversible to begin with?

I'm not going to deny that Apple probably has other goals in mind (e.g. getting third-party dock manufacturers to renew their "Made for iPhone/iPod" branding licenses), but in short, designing the Lightning cable was a necessity in order to incorporate the features/versatilities they wanted to see accessories (made by anyone, and of all types) be able to do.

[IPD]

Because Micro USB only has 5 pins (as opposed to the 9 pins that Apple decided on)?

In short, each of the pins offer a different function. Some include your basics (power/ground), others for data, but the rest are for interacting with certain features that third-party accessories might, and likely will, incorporate. The original iWhatever cable had 30-pins, a mixture of analog and digital, and was at this point just redundant. It was time to simplify.

Not to mention making the plug reversible. Granted this is a small bonus, but one that is still welcome. I know I hate fiddling in the dark while trying to plug in a standard USB cable on the nightstand. Attention to detail. Why aren't all USB-styled cables designed to be reversible to begin with?

I'm not going to deny that Apple probably has other goals in mind (e.g. getting third-party dock manufacturers to renew their "Made for iPhone/iPod" branding licenses), but in short, designing the Lightning cable was a necessity in order to incorporate the features/versatilities they wanted to see accessories (made by anyone, and of all types) be able to do.

that's a load of horseshit. that's like saying 5 phone lines = only 5 phone calls can be carried at any one time. usb 3.0 is entirely capable for all functions that a smartphone can dish out. if it weren't the case, it wouldn't be the "standard". apple has really poisoned the water if you honestly believe that their proprietary connector somehow gives more versatility than a conventional one. lay off the crack pipe.

[NickS VR4]

Amazing thing about Digital is that you can pass multiple things through those lines. Hell Fiber-Optic can be a single line, and that is capable of incredible bandwidth.

I highly doubt more than 480mbit/sec is needed to exclude usb 2.0.

[Mikes2nd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBP18nrRdw

would you like a dongle for your new BMW?

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-are-legitimately-furious-at-apple-over-the-iphone-5s-new-connector-2012-9

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/sns-iphone-5-will-require-adapter-in-some-cars-20120912,0,5772263.story?track=rss

[IPD]

...and the sad thing is, thanks to MPAA, you practically need a phone with those dimensions to watch movies without letterboxing.

p.s.

those who bought cars with an ipod dock? sucks to be you, suckers.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

BBC News - New Apple maps app under fire from users (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19659736)

[stealthify]

that's a load of horseshit. that's like saying 5 phone lines = only 5 phone calls can be carried at any one time. usb 3.0 is entirely capable for all functions that a smartphone can dish out. if it weren't the case, it wouldn't be the "standard". apple has really poisoned the water if you honestly believe that their proprietary connector somehow gives more versatility than a conventional one. lay off the crack pipe.

As opposed to spewing off at the mouth, go look up the pinout diagrams yourself. Micro USB, with its 5 pins, dedicate each pin to the following: 1 for power, 1 for ground, 2 for data and 1 for signal ground:

MicroUSB B - Kineteka Systems (http://www.kineteka.com/microusb-b.aspx)

And yes, one pin can be used for multiple things (for example, while you CAN use the ground pin to transfer data (copper is copper), that is NOT the suggested standard.)

Another fact, if you cared to do your research, is that Micro-USB just simply isn't powerful enough. Micro-USB has a max voltage of 5 V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus), so Apple took the opportunity to beef it up a bit to increase the voltage for more power consuming devices like the iPad.

Edit: I'm not sure why you guys can't just look this up yourself. But I'm happy to supply info where I can: Lightning vs. Micro-USB - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-lightning-vs-micro-usb-2012-9)

[NickS VR4]

Amazing, with only 2 lines (cable internet, core/ground) I can get TV, highspeed internet, and telephone. PLENTY of bandwidth. Those 2 data connections can do whatever that iphone or any device needs, especially since its only usb 2.0, not 3.0 (which has more pins). Know what else is amazing, at 5v, you can raise the amperage to 2.1a power those more powerful devices, like iPads, my Nexus 7. No need to raise the voltage.

Come on now, lets be honest. This is 100% about Apple having their own proprietary connector and nothing about its capability. Now if for whatever reason they wanted to stay analog, that would be a different story, but since its digital, no reason they can't use microUSB.

[stealthify]

Amazing thing about Digital is that you can pass multiple things through those lines. Hell Fiber-Optic can be a single line, and that is capable of incredible bandwidth.

You do know that fiberoptic cables have multiple strands, right?

[NickS VR4]

You do know that fiberoptic cables have multiple strands, right?

Some, not all. I do know there are different classes, but i'm talking about old school fiber.

[stealthify]

Well so do USB cables (on the inside), each insulated from the other. Do you really think that Apple went through all this trouble to create a cable with 9 pins, only to use 1 of them because 1 "is all you need"?

On one side of your mouth you're accusing Apple of copying others (larger screen, LTE), yet you berate Apple out of the other side because they made something custom and different.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rv5P4KBnFUY/Soo0rwFBYNI/AAAAAAAABes/7n4ubqbahJs/s400/cat_pushing_watermelon_argument_invalid.jpg

[NickS VR4]

Well so do USB cables (on the inside), each insulated from the other. Do you really think that Apple went through all this trouble to create a cable with 9 pins, only to use 1 of them because 1 "is all you need"?

On one side of your mouth you're accusing Apple of copying others (larger screen, LTE), yet you berate Apple out of the other side because they made something custom and different.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rv5P4KBnFUY/Soo0rwFBYNI/AAAAAAAABes/7n4ubqbahJs/s400/cat_pushing_watermelon_argument_invalid.jpg

Industry standards for power/data connection. Absolutely no reason to not use that.

As for a single strand.
Verizon Achieves 1.5Tbps Across a Single Fiber Optic Cable Strand | Stop the Cap! (http://stopthecap.com/2011/04/04/verizon-achieves-1-5tbps-across-a-single-fiber-optic-cable-strand/)

And the argument that it can't supply power, my microUSB uses 2.1a on my Nexus 7.

Also that lightning connector is a USB cable on the other side, so to say microUSB is not useful is stupid because it bottles down to a standard USB line.

So there would be no use of those extra pins when connected by cable to a computer.

Also ever think that maybe the 8 pins are just really 4pins x 2 (for the reversibility) therefor making your point invalid.

[stealthify]

Nick, to save yourself further debate, please head down to your local Costco or Best Buy to look at an iOS-compatible dock (iHome, etc). Look at the mounting plate. Count the pins. Just about every one of those pins serve a different function (remote/playback signal, data transfer, different power voltages, etc) The list goes on:

http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

9 years ago, this was pretty advanced. It supported a lot of different options that plain old USB alone did not.

Now they removed the shit few people even need anymore, yet Micro USB was still too basic.

You know what a Lightning to Micro USB cable would do? It would eliminate/ignore 4 of the leads. There's nothing attached.

Do you know how many pins a standard USB 3 cable has (http://pinoutsguide.com/Slots/usb_3_0_connector_pinout.shtml)? Hopefully you guessed it: 9! So in order to have the same footprint as a Micro USB cable, yet still retain 9 pins, what did Apple have to do? Create the Lightning cable.

Same number of pins as a full-size 9-pin USB 3 plug, same footprint as a 5-pin Micro USB plug. It's as simple as that.

[stealthify]

Also ever think that maybe the 8 pins are just really 4pins x 2 (for the reversibility)

No, but maybe because I actually looked at a picture of it.

http://images.macworld.com/images/article/2012/09/lightningto30pinadapter-294351.jpeg

Any other questions?

[NickS VR4]

No, but maybe because I actually looked at a picture of it.

http://images.macworld.com/images/article/2012/09/lightningto30pinadapter-294351.jpeg

Any other questions?

I've seen pics, just no diagrams for pin out.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[onebadmollafolla]

I'm sorry man, but Apple has kept the same dock connector for nearly a decade. At some point you have to let it go in favor of something that's smaller and just makes more sense for modern technology. In this case, that means dropping analog pins in favor of going all digital. That sounds about right compared to where we were 9 years ago.

Doesn't matter. It makes no difference what Apple has done. It's what is customer impacting. Anywhere you go, you can find a micro USB charger. Now that they have finally changed it, it still differs from what everyone else uses on top of rendering everything he has useless without making even more purchases. Why not just buy something that is universal between every other manufacturer? Go with a system that doesn't require an exclusive connector to that one product that will have a guarantee of being changed again.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Doesn't matter. It makes no difference what Apple has done. It's what is customer impacting. Anywhere you go, you can find a micro USB charger. Now that they have finally changed it, it still differs from what everyone else uses on top of rendering everything he has useless without making even more purchases. Why not just buy something that is universal between every other manufacturer? Go with a system that doesn't require an exclusive connector to that one product that will have a guarantee of being changed again.

Still using the same cords from my last 3 phones. :)

Jeremy

[IPD]

shaun, the one fatal flaw in your argument is that there would have to be some massive capability that the iphone has that is completely lacking in ALL competitor's phones (that are equipped with micro usb)...in order to justify your assertion. such a capability does not exist. you still believe that "the extra pins = extra function". that's simply not the case. apple WANTS you to believe that's the case, but look at its competition. where are the features "missing"?

the fact is, apple is simply screwing the pooch on this (and by pooch, i mean its customers). there is no justifiable reason to need a different connector. the fact that you believe it so fervently really speaks to how thoroughly you've been brainwashed by apple PR. if such a bullshit connector were truly needed, then the s3 wouldn't be able to do half of what the iphone5 does--rather than virtually eclipsing it in every area.

again, put down the crack pipe.

[Jimvr4]

By definition Apple = proprietary. It's just the way they do.

[IPD]

By definition Apple = proprietary. It's just the way they do.

imagine if you made a car where every bolt had a proprietary-shaped driver? would people even buy such a car?

[UTRacerX9]

imagine if you made a car where every bolt had a proprietary-shaped driver? would people even buy such a car?

Sure, but it's usually the mega rich, who don't work on their own cars and always take it to the dealer for servicing. Porsche uses Torx/inverted Torx fasteners on all their cars now. While that's not exactly proprietary, most shops and people don't have a full set of that crap capable to do much work to the car. Ferrari requires more special tools to work on their cars than any other brand I know... but again, it's that exclusivity factor.

As far as Apple products go... Well, I don't know how they originally convinced people to buy into it. But it's too late now, since most manufacturers that make accessories for Apple all use the same connector now too, and that forces even Apple's competitors to use the same type of connection when possible for compatibility.

Eventually, Apple will change the design... and everyone will switch to the new one, and we'll start all over again.

[DocWalt]

imagine if you made a car where every bolt had a proprietary-shaped driver? would people even buy such a car?

Yes, people don't care about maintenance as long as it works.

[IPD]

nah. all it takes is someone to say, "f-u" to apple & start putting micro USB docks in their cars. the money will follow.

[NickS VR4]

Along with Thadds point, on many phones using micro USB, they support MHL to give HDMI output. What does this Lightning connector do that can't be done with a microUSB port?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[Broomfield Racing]

Here come the drop tests.

iPhone 5 vs Samsung Galaxy S3 Drop Test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5q5TRuAsY&feature=player_embedded#)!


Edit: $300 for a S3 display? Maybe that's if you take it to Samsung. I would imagine Apple being about the same price if you took it to Apple, however there are plenty of aftermarket solutions for the 4/4S.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvE0lkunBg&feature=player_embedded#!

[onebadmollafolla]

Still using the same cords from my last 3 phones. :)

Jeremy

Still using the same chargers from my last 5 phones. :)

[Zaroth]

How do you guys keep chargers that long? I have 4 chargers for my phone and I can't ever find any of them.

[mannavr4]

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/14/iphone-5s-lightning-to-micro-usb-cable-only-available-for-europe/


Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

IPD or Nick, can you do me a favor and post up your favorite Micro USB docking stations?

[NickS VR4]

Amazon.com: Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Wireless Speaker (Leather): Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Bose-SoundLink-Bluetooth-Wireless-Speaker/dp/B005MLAZ8Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1348319321&sr=1-1&keywords=bose+soundlink+leather)

Uses bluetooth. I have this.

Plus of course its easy when you have a product with connector is the same location all the time. With the phones on the market now, the connectors are all over the place. I like how Samsung is starting to fix this and put it on the center/bottom of the phone.

[Hans@GZP]

imagine if you made a car where every bolt had a proprietary-shaped driver? would people even buy such a car?

Welcome to VW/Audi/Porsche. And look how many of those are on the road.

[onebadmollafolla]

IPD or Nick, can you do me a favor and post up your favorite Micro USB docking stations?

I personally like a lot of the micro USB travel docking stations. The phone automatically goes into travel mode and runs GPS and a travel outlook on the phone. Of course you can still play music and take calls. Motorola makes some very nice docks.

[IPD]

Welcome to VW/Audi/Porsche. And look how many of those are on the road.

you're right. people do buy them....they just don't tend to do the work themselves any longer.

[Zaroth]

you're right. people do buy them....they just don't tend to do the work themselves any longer.

Most people don't work on their own cars.

[IPD]

Most people don't work on their own cars.

which is why kanuter valves & blinker fluid exist.

[Hans@GZP]

you're right. people do buy them....they just don't tend to do the work themselves any longer.

Same with people and their phones lol. Which was your point in the first place.

[DocWalt]

*waves* I work on my VW ;) Not that many proprietary tools. Torx bits and stupid as fuck socket hex bolt things (the proper name is escaping me, clearly).

[stealthify]

Amazon.com: Bose SoundLink Bluetooth Wireless Speaker (Leather): Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Bose-SoundLink-Bluetooth-Wireless-Speaker/dp/B005MLAZ8Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1348319321&sr=1-1&keywords=bose+soundlink+leather)

Uses bluetooth. I have this.

Plus of course its easy when you have a product with connector is the same location all the time. With the phones on the market now, the connectors are all over the place. I like how Samsung is starting to fix this and put it on the center/bottom of the phone.

Perfect, thanks for the link.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I understand about Android docking stations (I don't own one). To get audio to play through one, you have two options: Bluetooth or Mini-jack.

Here's what we know about Bluetooth (and I'm sure an audiophile can chime in on this): With Bluetooth where it is today, you will never get the same quality from Bluetooth audio streams as you would by plugging it in direct. It's passable for some, but really, if you expect more out of Bluetooth alone, you won't achieve it.

As far as the mini-jack option goes, well, that just means you have to plug in a second cable in addition to the Micro USB to your Android phone. It works, but it's unsightly, and not preferable compared to plugging it into the mount and leaving it be. I'm sure you'd agree with me.

This is how Micro USB is limiting, and that's all I was trying to get across (while yes, sure, also defending Apple's choice to design their own cable that's at least compatible with adapters, etc).

In this way, Apple is only diverging from what's "standard yet limiting" towards something a bit "different yet more useful", drawback being that it's not as common at the moment. I'm sure third-party dock manufacturers don't mind this change either, including Samsung, who need people that have 8+ year old docks to come back as return customers for their new and improved goods. For those that still have old docks that work, they're not forced to upgrade (they still work with older devices), or they have the option to use an adapter (Apple brand or, soon, not).

In the end, we're really nitpicking over a design choice that will, at most, cost a user $30 (but in reality, only $2 or $3 once the third party manufacturers de-engineer what Apple did to create their own adapters and cables).

I'll let this argument drop if you can find me a dock that, just through Micro USB, allow all Android devices connected to it to simultaneously do the following:

Charge (rapidly)
Transfer a stereo audio signal (digitally w/o lower audio quality Bluetooth)
Allow for remote control (via IR) to change tracks/volume
Display, on an external LCD screen or whatever, the track name/artist of the song currently being played
Still allow you the device to upload/download data to/from the computer via USB


If you can find all this, and surely they must exist with as many Android devices as there are out there, I'd buy one myself.

If there is not something like this on the market for Micro USB, then you will understand why Apple uses their own port design and the benefits it offers compared to pre-existing but outdated cable options.

[IPD]

Same with people and their phones lol. Which was your point in the first place.

ah....but audi, vw, etc...don't sue GM for producing coupes and sedans. or for having a steering wheel that's round. or for putting the gas pedal to the right of the brake pedal.

[stealthify]

ah....but audi, vw, etc...don't sue GM for producing coupes and sedans. or for having a steering wheel that's round. or for putting the gas pedal to the right of the brake pedal.

They would if GM started making cars that look too similar to Audi or VW's signature designs. If you stripped the badges off a VW Bug, would you confuse it with any other mass-produced car?

[IPD]

samsung has never put an apple logo on its products. but for that matter, if you're going to bring up similarities--then why was there no lawsuit between nissan and saturn over the 300z/sc1 front appearance? hell, i can probably dredge up a hundred other "styling similarities"...yet these go without suits. i don't recall chrysler being sued by ford because the prowler takes cues from a deuce coupe.

again, we're talking about a device that's small enough to fit in your pocket & has several basic--mandatory--functions. there's not a whole lot of "differentiation" that can be made without sacrificing function.

[stealthify]

IPD, please post up the best 300z and SC1 comparison shot you can find.

As I mentioned before, there's a lot of smartphones variations out there at this point. Many of them are doing it right, being different, yet still stylish in their own right. People should want their phones to look different. Different materials, colors, button layout, slide-out keyboard, non-slide-out, bezels, cases, packaging, power adapters, homescreen layouts, etc. The more uniform they all look, the more boring they become. Establish a style of your own -- one where people look at it and go "That looks like something Samsung would make" -- and then you know you've made it.

[IPD]

http://1-photos2.ebizautos.com/used-1993-saturn-sc1-1-3819-364246-1-640.jpg

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/z322_g4l6_0.jpg

you're going to tell me you don't see any similarities in the headlights here? ...because from where i'm sitting, those cues are no less "distinct" than the shit apple claims is proprietary.

[stealthify]

I see a slight imitation, but when I see a Nissan, I know it's a Nissan.

When I see a Saturn... well... I'm not sure what their signature style is. Maybe that's why few people care about Saturn.

[Zaroth]

Off topic, but I had to post these here. I love these videos so much. I think IPD will appreciate it.

Waiting for an iPhone 5...for no reason - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLArefSOw&feature=player_embedded#)!

[IPD]

Off topic, but I had to post these here. I love these videos so much. I think IPD will appreciate it.

Waiting for an iPhone 5...for no reason - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLArefSOw&feature=player_embedded#)!

and that's pretty much the exact image i have in my mind of what apple users are--with very few exceptions. 10+ years ago, apple was a legit company...way back in the days when they were THE platform of choice for graphic design, photo-editing, etc. now? meh...

[NickS VR4]

Referring to the dock. The reason there is no "microUSB" docks is because there has not been a standardization on where to place the microUSB, or a similar shape of the phone. iPhone has that advantage because say 20% of all smartphones are compatible with an iPhone dock, and on top of that, the future iPhones and other iDevices would all use the same jack. IF all other smartphones were able to be compatible with one single design, i'm sure you would see some microUSB docks.

Additionally, there are now cars with USB ports which you can plug your phone into and tap into the media library.

As for the bluetooth, yes there is a limitation on quality, but i'm not an audiophile, and i think it sounds awesome. Actually used that bluetooth stereo for my small ourdoor wedding, playing the music off of my cell phone and it worked great. I am also satisfied with my bose earbuds (MIE2), and think great audio comes out of those too.

[Broomfield Racing]

Off topic, but I had to post these here. I love these videos so much. I think IPD will appreciate it.

Waiting for an iPhone 5...for no reason - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLArefSOw&feature=player_embedded#)!

Clearly either has a mental problem or is park of an act. Not funny either way.

[Zaroth]

Clearly either has a mental problem or is park of an act. Not funny either way.

She doesn't have a mental problem lol. She was blindsided and nervous to be on camera and didn't actually have any legit reason to want the Iphone other than that it was an Iphone. It's quite funny.

[wingnut]

theres a new Bud Light "real men of genius" radio commercial for iphone5 waiting in line guy but i havent seen it on the internetz yet :(

[IPD]

She doesn't have a mental problem lol. She was blindsided and nervous to be on camera and didn't actually have any legit reason to want the Iphone other than that it was an Iphone. It's quite funny.

you mean "no mental problems....other than believing in "internet voodoo"--thanks to apple PR.

[stealthify]

Referring to the dock. The reason there is no "microUSB" docks is because there has not been a standardization on where to place the microUSB, or a similar shape of the phone. iPhone has that advantage because say 20% of all smartphones are compatible with an iPhone dock, and on top of that, the future iPhones and other iDevices would all use the same jack. IF all other smartphones were able to be compatible with one single design, i'm sure you would see some microUSB docks.
I'm sorry man, but this isn't the reason. You can keep telling yourself that, but this argument is about as intelligible as the one found in the iPhone 5 lineup video posted a few posts ago (which was sad, btw, but hopefully the phone makes her happy).

There's a ton of universal and exclusive brand Android-phone docks out there. Manufacturers have already shown that they can make docks that fit a large variety of Android phones (see here (http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/philips-as351-05-android-speaker-dock-p34905.htm)). But they have the same limitations as every other dock that relies on Micro USB: having to resort to Bluetooth or mini-jack for audio.


Additionally, there are now cars with USB ports which you can plug your phone into and tap into the media library.
There are, and what these head units do is basically mount your phone as an external harddrive (using the 2 data in/out pins on the Micro USB plug). It scans/imports your library, and then, unfortunately, you're dependent on the head unit's software to play your music. Kind of sucks if you want to play/pause from your phone, or if the head unit's software is a piece of crap... which most of them are.


As for the bluetooth, yes there is a limitation on quality, but i'm not an audiophile, and i think it sounds awesome. Actually used that bluetooth stereo for my small ourdoor wedding, playing the music off of my cell phone and it worked great. I am also satisfied with my bose earbuds (MIE2), and think great audio comes out of those too.

Sadly, I imagine a lot of people have higher standards than you do, especially if they have a nice system. I wouldn't call myself an audiophile either, but I definitely notice the difference in sound quality when I play my phone's music via Bluetooth as opposed to plugging it in via the line-out or the docking port. Night and day difference. Bluetooth is just about as good as listening to FM radio.

[ictponder]

Sounds like the iPhone 5 is having a rough start.

iPhone 5 arriving with scratches & scuffs out of the box (http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/24/iphone-5-scratching-scuffs/)
This really sucks for customers as Apple doesn't allow DOA replacement in carrier stores

iPhone 5 leaking light between glass screen and aluminum chasis (http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/24/iphone-5-light-leak-apple-defect/)
If this is widespread then Apple has a HUGE problem. Saving money doesn't always pay off in the end.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

The aluminum is how they made up for the weight, however it's a much softer material. Saw this one coming.

Jeremy

[ictponder]

iPhone 5 users report screen flickering issues (http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/21/iphone-5-screen-problems/)

[Granny]

I updated our iPhones on Thursday.
Mine did ok but Hubby's will not connect to Wi-Fi now. He is not a happy camper! LOL

[ictponder]

I updated our iPhones on Thursday.
Mine did ok but Hubby's will not connect to Wi-Fi now. He is not a happy camper! LOL

This was an issue on launch day but was supposedly resolved. Have you rebooted the phone?

[wingnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG6Qx127xgs&feature=player_embedded

[Granny]

This was an issue on launch day but was supposedly resolved. Have you rebooted the phone?

Yea we completely reloaded the phone several times and it still didn't work.
I'll probably try again when I fell like fooling with it but what a PIA!

[Mikes2nd]

This wouldnt have happened if steve jobs was alive! :)

that guy can't shoot worth crap...

[IPD]

This wouldnt have happened if steve jobs was alive! :)

that guy can't shoot worth crap...

sure it would have. screens would still leak light & the products would have defects--as usual. only thing antichrist steve would have done is announce

http://www.motivateusnot.com/resize.php?name=LzM3OC9BcHBsZS1Zb3UncmUtZG9pbmctaX Qtd3JvbmctNGNiZDRjNzgxMzY4Ny5qcGc=&w=550&h=9999&extension=.jpg

[DocWalt]

Here's the Chip Apple Is Using to Stop You from Buying Cheap Cables (http://gizmodo.com/5945889/some-third+party-adapters-might-not-work-with-your-new-iphone)

Thank you Apple. Keep this crap up and you're going to be losing customers left and right, thanks!

[IPD]

again...why?

[wingnut]

again...why?

because...apple!

http://i.imgur.com/7vvrL.jpg

and only funny if you have seen the movie...

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/too-true-21.jpg?w=500&h=342

[IPD]

DailyTech - UPDATE: Brand New iPhone 5s Being Delivered With Scratches/Scuffs (http://www.dailytech.com/UPDATE+Brand+New+iPhone+5s+Being+Delivered+With+Sc ratchesScuffs+/article27771.htm)

favorite response:


No, the nick is intentional as it's precision made and improves cell reception. It also helps cool the super fast new CPU by a quantum tunneling effect that is about to be patented by Apple. Ha, Samsung wishes they have this, which is why the rounded rectangle patent was so important to begin with.

This is still the best phone ever. I've based my entire self worth on trying to prove that on internet blogs (although I suspiciously only post pro-Apple or anti-Samsung/Android articles).

But never mind me, I'm out hiking through the Grand Tetons today, but tomorrow I'll be in London, followed by Dubai and then using the new super GPS in China. But just like when I was in London for the Olympics, you can be sure I'll still be wasting time here making sure I keep up my special brand of viral marketing.

Sincerely,
Apple PR Team
D/B/A
Mr. Swash

[NickS VR4]

and only funny if you have seen the movie...

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/too-true-21.jpg?w=500&h=342

Love it.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[Mikes2nd]

Nokia Lumia 920 pwns Iphone 5 camera and video stabilization...

Iphone comes out like crap...

iPhone 5 and Nokia Lumia 920 face off with image stabilization test (hands-on video) -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/25/iphone-5-lumia-920-image-stabilization-face-off/)

[stealthify]

Here's the Chip Apple Is Using to Stop You from Buying Cheap Cables (http://gizmodo.com/5945889/some-third+party-adapters-might-not-work-with-your-new-iphone)

Thank you Apple. Keep this crap up and you're going to be losing customers left and right, thanks!

Don't you hate being lied to?

Apple's Lightning port dynamically assigns pins to allow for reversible use (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/25/apples_lightning_port_dynamically_assigns_pins_to_ allow_for_reversible_use)

While Apple-hater's first inclination is to believe the chip is there to prevent third-party manufacturers from making cables, in reality, this chip is the sole reason the cable works the way it does with the reversible plug.

You don't think third-party manufacturers can replicate the functions of this chip? I guess we'll find out, but I think you'll be surprised.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Don't you hate being lied to?

Apple's Lightning port dynamically assigns pins to allow for reversible use (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/25/apples_lightning_port_dynamically_assigns_pins_to_ allow_for_reversible_use)

While Apple-hater's first inclination is to believe the chip is there to prevent third-party manufacturers from making cables, in reality, this chip is the sole reason the cable works the way it does with the reversible plug.

You don't think third-party manufacturers can replicate the functions of this chip? I guess we'll find out, but I think you'll be surprised.

The article you posted quotes Peter from double helix and so does Doc's. Yesterday, Peter said it was "some kind of authentication chip". Today, he's hypothesized it's for pin assignment for reversible use.

Boom: Pins (http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/)

Jeremy

[stealthify]

The article you posted quotes Peter from double helix and so does Doc's. Yesterday, Peter said it was "some kind of authentication chip". Today, he's hypothesized it's for pin assignment for reversible use.

Boom: Pins (http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/)

Jeremy

Right, I was more referring to the sensationalist headline and the assumption Doc drew from it. Surely a lot of people will read it and assume that the "smartcable" chip serves no function other than trying to prevent other manufacturers from making their own cables, but as it turns out, there's a lot more to it.

Supposedly the Lightning cable costs Apple more to manufacturer than any other cable they've offered before (due to the technology built-in). In some ways, I have to give Apple credit for "re-thinking" something as basic as a cable to find ways to make it a step above their previous cable creations and standard USB. Surely others will follow suit, or it will inspire others to come up with their own solutions to compete with it.

This is exactly what the market needs (from any manufacturer). Don't settle for something old just because it's popular. Press the limits, try new stuff, and if it's obvious that it's superior to anything offered before it, embrace it.

[NickS VR4]

Right, I was more referring to the sensationalist headline and the assumption Doc drew from it. Surely a lot of people will read it and assume that the "smartcable" chip serves no function other than trying to prevent other manufacturers from making their own cables, but as it turns out, there's a lot more to it.

Supposedly the Lightning cable costs Apple more to manufacturer than any other cable they've offered before (due to the technology built-in). In some ways, I have to give Apple credit for "re-thinking" something as basic as a cable to find ways to make it a step above their previous cable creations and standard USB. Surely others will follow suit, or it will inspire others to come up with their own solutions to compete with it.

This is exactly what the market needs (from any manufacturer). Don't settle for something old just because it's popular. Press the limits, try new stuff, and if it's obvious that it's superior to anything offered before it, embrace it.

Sounds like a stretch to call Apple innovative after their lack of innovation in this phone....

"Yeah, well, have you seen the charging cable? Its amazing, no longer does it take me 1-2 seconds to plug it in, but only 1second every time. Apple is soo much better than everyone else."

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[stealthify]

I think this year's release was more of a focus on other innovations than those included in the phone itself. A lot of what Apple hasn't said in their press releases are coming out through these other interested parties (iFixIt, Peter from Double Helix, etc). If I were Samsung, etc, I would be skeptical of what these other changes mean. They seem ridiculous and unnecessary at first, but the long-term implications could be far more imposing. This includes how they'll work with third-party accessories, more advanced docks, and ultimately expandability.

You can keep looking at this simplistically, thinking that the cable is only about saving 1-2 seconds plugging it in, but you'd be making the same mistake many of Apple's competitors are making.

[IPD]

so apple re-invented the gas-pedal because the type in use by the rest of the industry "wasn't good enough". lol!

[DocWalt]

Right, I was more referring to the sensationalist headline and the assumption Doc drew from it. Surely a lot of people will read it and assume that the "smartcable" chip serves no function other than trying to prevent other manufacturers from making their own cables, but as it turns out, there's a lot more to it.

Supposedly the Lightning cable costs Apple more to manufacturer than any other cable they've offered before (due to the technology built-in). In some ways, I have to give Apple credit for "re-thinking" something as basic as a cable to find ways to make it a step above their previous cable creations and standard USB. Surely others will follow suit, or it will inspire others to come up with their own solutions to compete with it.

This is exactly what the market needs (from any manufacturer). Don't settle for something old just because it's popular. Press the limits, try new stuff, and if it's obvious that it's superior to anything offered before it, embrace it.

You're enough of a dick to assume that I only read the headline and not the article? stfu.

FWIW, reversible cable? Because that's been an issue in the past :rolleyes:

[ictponder]

Personally I don't see the big deal about a damn cable. If they really want to impress me they will invent true wireless charging & syncing w/out having to set the phone down at all. Plugging in a cable is so 1970's

[stealthify]

You're enough of a dick to assume that I only read the headline and not the article? stfu.

FWIW, reversible cable? Because that's been an issue in the past :rolleyes:

Based on what you said, yes.

If that makes me a dick, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way man.

[DocWalt]

/facepalm

If you're going to come in here and personally bash people instead of arguing the point and then try and turn it around and blame me for getting offended, yes, you are a dick.

[stealthify]

I'm sorry, and where did I bash you exactly?

[DocWalt]

Insinuating that I only read the title of an article and jumped to conclusions isn't exactly a polite thing to say, now is it?

[stealthify]

Let me rephrase then, just to be clear: whether you read the sensationalist article (as I take it you did) or just skimmed the bogus headlines (as other do), it caused you to come to the conclusion that Apple is trying to screw over third-party manufacturers and is therefore "crap."

As for:


If you're going to come in here and personally bash people instead of arguing the point and then try and turn it around and blame me for getting offended, yes, you are a dick.
What do you think I've been doing this entire thread?

Here's me further arguing the point, based on the link Jeremy just posted (from another person thoroughly researching the Lightning cable's implications):



“I find it near incredible to think that Apple would believe they can force the millions of cheap-o cables that got sold up to a $30 Apple purchase.”Nope. The USB cables are $19, not $30. Once other manufacturers get up to speed I see nothing saying a basic Lightning-to-USB cable can’t be made and sold for the proverbial $9.99, and I bet that by the end of next year the price will be even lower.
Coming from the electrical engineering experts, I have a hard time arguing with that.

[DocWalt]

I didn't come to a conclusion that they're trying to screw over third party manufacturers. When did I say that?

I'm sure a cable can be made for $5.00 eventually, that's not the point. Apple keeps forcing proprietary bullshit on their customers, and that's not ok. The 30 pin connector was a cool idea with its multitude of pins to do some neat stuff, but most of what the 30 pin connector could do can be done with micro-usb and some intelligent coding. Heck, there's HDMI output from micro-usb now. Just in case you missed this post:

iPhone 5's Lightning to micro USB Cable Only Available for Europe (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/14/iphone-5s-lightning-to-micro-usb-cable-only-available-for-europe/)


Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2
Guess what, you need an adapter from "Lightning" to HDMI or VGA... Just like micro USB.

On a side note: Apple lost any business from me when they sent back a "repaired" iPod touch with a screen that suddenly looked like I was stuck in 16bit color mode, with a faulty power button. Fuck Apple.

Oh, and on another side note, the guy that tore the lighting cable apart sells ridiculously overpriced cables that make Monster cables look cheap :lo5l:

[stealthify]

I didn't come to a conclusion that they're trying to screw over third party manufacturers. When did I say that?
That's basically what the article you linked claimed, and by you linking it, I imagine it's safe to assume you endorse it. Am I wrong?


Heck, there's HDMI output from micro-usb now.
You're right, there is, but that's about where the expandability ends. Coincidently, that's even covered in the link Jeremy posted as well (http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/):


Re: Micro USB to HDMI Cables

If you read the documentation carefully, right inside the micro-USB plug you need a special converter chip which converts those 3 signals to HDMI, and from then on, up to the other end of the cable, you have shielded HDMI wire pairs and a HDMI connector. Of course, this means that you can’t judge that cable by the 5 pins on one end, nor can you say that that specific implementation “transmits audio/video over USB”. It just repurposes the connector. Such a cable would, of course, be significantly more expensive to manufacture than the usual “wires all the way down” cable, and (because of the chip) even more than a standard HDMI cable.
So, once again, you run into the problem of expense. But still you ask, why change to a different style connector than the currently available Micro USB?


Is there another way to transmit audio/video over a standard USB implementation? There are device classes for that, but they’re mostly capable of low-bandwidth applications like webcams; at least for USB2.
So, we're pretty limited with Micro USB in its current state, unless we move up to USB 3.0, which... do they even have Micro USB 3.0 cables that fit your phones? I don't think so.

Anyway, I don't doubt you had a bad experience with Apple. My experiences have generally been pretty pleasant, and that's probably why I even take the time to respond to these threads. Plus it's an interesting topic, that always helps.

[DocWalt]

Yes, you are wrong. I don't give a damn about the third party manufacturers, I've never had a third party cable work with my stupid iPod Touch and now there's even less of a reason to go with anything aftermarket. My point was Apple making proprietary crap for the sake of making proprietary crap.

Lighting is still USB2.0 at the other end, unless it's on a dock where the dock needs to do most of the processing. You still need an expensive dock to perform any of what you're claiming is so great about Lightning.

[stealthify]

Alright Doc, I don't know any other way to put it for you. What Apple plans to do with Lightning is not currently possible to do via Micro USB or any existing mini-cable alone.

This is fact, undebatable, shown in multiple instances with existing Micro USB accessories, docks, you name it. You're arguing a point that has no evidence to support the contrary.

And while Lightning is currently USB 2.0 on the other end, if you further read the resources equally available to you as they are to me, you would find this:

Teardown revives hopes that Lightning might be USB 3.0-compatible | Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/teardown-revives-hopes-that-lightning-might-be-usb-3-0-compatible/)


Although it's clear at this point that the iPhone 5 only sports USB 2.0 speeds, initial discussions of Lightning's support of USB 3.0 have focused on its pin count—the USB "Super Speed" 3.0 spec requires nine pins to function, and Lightning connectors only have eight.

However, iFixit's teardown shows the pins in the iPhone 5's Lightning receptacle, and there are two extras on either side:

The Lightning connector itself has two divots on either side for retention, but these extra electrical connections in the receptacle could possibly be used as a ground return, which would bring the number of Lightning pins to the same count as that of USB 3.0—nine total.

If this is the case, then it shows that Apple has at least thought ahead with its new plug, and may have future-proofed it to support USB 3.0. This would be a wise tactical move on Apple's part and could open the door to Lightning being used to supplement Thunderbolt as a second high-speed standard port, rather than as a one-off iPhone connector competing awkwardly with USB 2.

That's about all there is to say about it.

[DocWalt]

What Apple plans to do and what they do are two different things, look at the 30 pin connector.

"Might be" USB3.0 compatible.

Yes, that IS all there is to say about it.

[IPD]

so let me get this straight...

apple debuts "technology" which "might" someday, at a later point in time, actually provide some benefit that is not possible with existing "tech". so even in a best-case scenario, it's dropping this "technology" on a public that won't need it until at least next-year's iphone. it's not like they're pushing to have an "established" support base for this cord. they could just as easily have kept the old analog cord until there was sufficient necessity to warrant this "new" connector.

apple is simply screwing the pooch on this.

[ictponder]

I installed a Flux Capacitor in my car in hopes that someday someone can make it work.

[Mikes2nd]

better get a "cover" for that flux capacitor... thatll be another 35$ ... you don't want scratches... because scratches are normal for those!

[IPD]

better get a "cover" for that flux capacitor... thatll be another 35$ ... you don't want scratches... because scratches are normal for those!

scratches = you unboxed it wrong.

[stealthify]

so let me get this straight...

apple debuts "technology" which "might" someday, at a later point in time, actually provide some benefit that is not possible with existing "tech". so even in a best-case scenario, it's dropping this "technology" on a public that won't need it until at least next-year's iphone. it's not like they're pushing to have an "established" support base for this cord. they could just as easily have kept the old analog cord until there was sufficient necessity to warrant this "new" connector.

apple is simply screwing the pooch on this.

What's wrong with future-proofing? If they don't change the connector again for the next decade (which they likely won't), will you guys still be complaining?

If Lightning is truly only capable of USB 2.0 in the long run, then yes - they're screwing the pooch. All of Apple's laptops support USB 3.0 these days, but surprisingly there's still a lot of computers out there that don't support USB 3.0 yet. To bother with creating a new port, they best plan on staying with it for awhile like they did their now retired 30-pin connector.

Regardless, and what's comical about this whole thing, is that the cable is pretty much irrelevant at this point for the things you guys are concerned about. We already have built-in wi-fi sync, which allows us to add/remove music, transfer data and create backups without a cable, and we have AirPlay and Bluetooth to easily stream audio without a cable. The only things left, and the port's main purpose, is for two key things: charging, and offering expandability with third-party accessories (camera kits, docks, etc).

As the information that's coming out is indicating, making a charge cable for the new Lightning port should be pretty easy and inexpensive. Power is power, and ground is ground. The built-in chip may not even play much of a factor in this. As far as the accessories go, this port is great news. I guarantee you that just like the 30-pin connector, third-party accessory manufacturers will be fully utilizing the functionality Lightning offers over Micro USB. We're going to see some more cool stuff, along the lines of: universal remotes (http://voomote.tv/en/voomotezapper/design/), blood-pressure sensors (http://www.withings.com/en/bloodpressuremonitor), guitar inputs (http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/jam.php)/MIDI interfaces (http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmidi/), wireless microphones (http://shop.soulo.com/products/soulo-digital-wireless-mic), ODB-II dongles (http://www.gadgetreview.com/2011/01/cartrip-odb-ii-to-ios-dongle.html), and advanced head units (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_113KIV901B/Kenwood-KIV-BT901.html?tp=5684).

Considering you guys don't even use Apple products because of your own biases, I'm surprised you guys are making such a big stink over this.

[IPD]

1. what NEW computer doesn't support usb 3.0?

2. i would have been equally silly for MS to have gone x64 native on windows 98.

the "big stink" over this is because this is one more area in which apple is demonstrating its resolve to be a gigantic douche. when you can show me tangible proof of a real, factual, actually-implemented, commercially-distributed feature that lighting uses & that micro/mini usb cannon--then i'll concede the point. problem is...by the time that happens, we'll probably be on usb 4.0, and that argument will be vapor.

[stealthify]

Alright, we'll see how things play out now that accessory makers can get their hands on it. I know I'm curious to see how it goes.

[VR4Rob]

http://gifsoup.com/view4/1228226/double-facepalm-o.gif

If I needed a reason why I don't read 3/S forums much anymore, this thread is a shining example.

[AdamVR4]

http://gifsoup.com/view4/1228226/double-facepalm-o.gif

If I needed a reason why I don't read 3/S forums much anymore, this thread is a shining example.


Didn't read the thread. Was mikes2nd here or something?

[VR4Rob]

Didn't read the thread. Was mikes2nd here or something?

Several '3/S Logic*' All-Stars are in this thread.

*ex A. 'Anyone who buys a Veyron is a fucking IDIOT. I could make my 3/S 10x as fast for $500! I mean yeah, it's only run for 1 week out of the 10 years I've owned it but my build/circlejerk thread is AWESOME. FIRST VEYRON I SEE IMMA GIT IT GUD

[HilbillyHomeboy]

http://gifsoup.com/view4/1228226/double-facepalm-o.gif

If I needed a reason why I don't read 3/S forums much anymore, this thread is a shining example.

You're an iPhone owner, aren't you? :D

Jeremy

[VR4Rob]

You're an iPhone owner, aren't you? :D

Jeremy
Sitting directly in front of me is an iPhone 4, a Kindle Fire, a Samsung Galaxy Tab, an iPad 3, a MacBookPro running Lion, with Windows XP and Windows 7 virtual machines, SSH'ed to a CentOS server.

[Alan92RTTT]

Expecting sanity in a:
apple vs XXXX thread
Microsoft vs XXXX thread
androids vs XXXX thread
college football thread
or any thread mike2nd posts in

Is like expecting sanity in the political forums.

the 3S portion of the forum is sane (well as sane as a 3S owner can be :))

[IPD]

it's too late. he's already turned to the dark side.

p.s.

just to fan the flames more. apple map apps, courtesy of salvador dali:

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/27630_large_brooklyn-bridge-apple-maps.jpg

[VR4Rob]

Expecting sanity in a:
apple vs
Microsoft vs
androids vs
college football
or any thread mike2nd posts in

Is list expecting sanity in the political forums.

the 3S portion of the forum is sane (well as sane as a 3S owner can be :))
Right, in retrospect I should have mentally prepared myself a little better before daring to click into this dumpster fire of logic. Most of us 3/S owners aren't sane, which is wonderful. Sane people are boring. Logical on the other hand...

[HilbillyHomeboy]

LOL, just messing with you. In any event, the same types of threads are on nearly every forum out there. People want to talk/discuss/bitch about all sorts of topics. Really, a forum is just a sounding board. Some want to be looked at, some want to help, some want help, some want to be belligerent trolls. It takes all kinds; the good and the bad. *shrugs*

Jeremy

[NickS VR4]

Sitting directly in front of me is an iPhone 4, a Kindle Fire, a Samsung Galaxy Tab, an iPad 3, a MacBookPro running Lion, with Windows XP and Windows 7 virtual machines, SSH'ed to a CentOS server.

Shame you dont have any good Android devices. I strongly recommend the Nexus 7 (running Paranoid Android).

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[DocWalt]

Right, in retrospect I should have mentally prepared myself a little better before daring to click into this dumpster fire of logic. Most of us 3/S owners aren't sane, which is wonderful. Sane people are boring. Logical on the other hand...

Ever seen a dumpster fire? Not particularly exciting until the fire starts popping "empty" propane bottles.

[VR4Rob]

LOL, just messing with you. In any event, the same types of threads are on nearly every forum out there. People want to talk/discuss/bitch about all sorts of topics. Really, a forum is just a sounding board. Some want to be looked at, some want to help, some want help, some want to be belligerent trolls. It takes all kinds; the good and the bad. *shrugs*

Jeremy
It takes one of every type as they say :D

[IPD]

http://www.jppredicts.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dumpster-fire.jpg

[VR4Rob]

Shame you dont have any good Android devices. I strongly recommend the Nexus 7 (running Paranoid Android).

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Phones are a bit tricky to acquire, especially new stuff, because they require contracts and data plans. I'd love to play with more Android phones but out of about 25 guys here who have phones, most everyone has dabbled in Android but ultimately gone to an iPhone (myself included). Most of our 'mobile' development concerns are with tablets so that's where our focus is.

[NickS VR4]

Phones are a bit tricky to acquire, especially new stuff, because they require contracts and data plans. I'd love to play with more Android phones but out of about 25 guys here who have phones, most everyone has dabbled in Android but ultimately gone to an iPhone (myself included). Most of our 'mobile' development concerns are with tablets so that's where our focus is.

I'm talking about their "budget" tablet. 7" tablet, quad core, awesome battery, amazing screen, jelly bean was designed on this device. It basically, IMO is the best Android experience available today.

And now there is rumor of a $99 tablet coming out from Google.

The Nexus 7 BTW is $199/$249 for 8gb/16gb. The major "flaw" or lack of feature IMO is that it does not have a microSD. Stock though it is capable of using thumb drives and external HDs with an OTG cable.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[AdamVR4]

Ever seen a dumpster fire? Not particularly exciting until the fire starts popping "empty" propane bottles.

LOL @ resident dumpster fire expert. I love it.

[DocWalt]

Seriously, was camping once and somebody dumped hot ash into the dumpster. That was an adventure, haha

[CoreyB]

The one benefit I have found with Apple, or at least the biggest benefit is service. Cell service is weak and spotty where I live. My iphone gets like 2 bars in area's my friends GSIII got none, both on Verizon. My friend just got the iphone 5 and now has service where he didnt before.

[NickS VR4]

The one benefit I have found with Apple, or at least the biggest benefit is service. Cell service is weak and spotty where I live. My iphone gets like 2 bars in area's my friends GSIII got none, both on Verizon. My friend just got the iphone 5 and now has service where he didnt before.

You could be right, but I wouldn't count "bars" as an accurate measurement of signal. My iPhone 4S has better "4G" coverage than my GNex (just being sarcastic).

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[CoreyB]

No, I am talking 3G vs 3G, the apple makes calls, the Samsung doesnt.

[onebadmollafolla]

No, I am talking 3G vs 3G, the apple makes calls, the Samsung doesnt.

One of the few testaments you'll hear about an iPhone with great reception. Everyone around here gets awful reception with them. My friend has a iPhone 4 that gets absolutely no service where my GSIII gets decent service when we get in no man's land. There are multiple things that can impact that including recent roaming updates to each phone. This is a two way street of course.

[CoreyB]

I wish the GSIII got better service than the iphone here, because I like the GSIII more.

[Granny]

I have to give Apple credit.

We called them on Saturday. They set us up an appointment on early Sunday with no hastle.
When we arrived at the store we were greeted and actually taken before the scheduled time.
15-20 minutes later we were leaving with a new phone.

It was the first time I had been to an Apple store but everything was very professional.
The most impressive thing was a family of 6 that covered 3 generations getting a personal session.

The update may have messed up the phone but they fixed it.
Some of the best customer service I have had in a long time.

Plus I have to give my carrier credit too. They reactivated it in a matter of minutes.

It was a good day.

[stealthify]

Nice review, Granny.

[IPD]

I have to give Apple credit.

We called them on Saturday. They set us up an appointment on early Sunday with no hastle.
When we arrived at the store we were greeted and actually taken before the scheduled time.
15-20 minutes later we were leaving with a new phone.

It was the first time I had been to an Apple store but everything was very professional.
The most impressive thing was a family of 6 that covered 3 generations getting a personal session.

The update may have messed up the phone but they fixed it.
Some of the best customer service I have had in a long time.

Plus I have to give my carrier credit too. They reactivated it in a matter of minutes.

It was a good day.

consider yourself lucky?

p.s.

i'm sure shaun could probably dig up as many "rave reviews" about the new release as i could dig up about shitty experiences. the difference is, ONLY apple fans are screaming in the streets. because apple is a hipster thing, the only way to get the FULL apple experience is to brag to everyone on the frickin planet that you bought one.

that said, there's a LOT of unhappy customers out there right now--but like i noted, they're drowned out by the chorus of unwashed technophobe hippies.

p.p.s.

i also lol'd at tim cook admitting that apple maps suck balls & that google is better.

[Jenkins]

consider yourself lucky?

p.s.

i'm sure shaun could probably dig up as many "rave reviews" about the new release as i could dig up about shitty experiences. the difference is, ONLY apple fans are screaming in the streets. because apple is a hipster thing, the only way to get the FULL apple experience is to brag to everyone on the frickin planet that you bought one.

that said, there's a LOT of unhappy customers out there right now--but like i noted, they're drowned out by the chorus of unwashed technophobe hippies.

p.p.s.

i also lol'd at tim cook admitting that apple maps suck balls & that google is better.


Google maps wasnt the only alternative that Apple mentioned.

[stealthify]

IPD, I actually had a post started regarding some of my honest to goodness gripes about iOS6, Maps being one of them.

It isn't that it's a complete catastrophe for my usage -- it's not (navigation works great, my city appears to be mapped correctly, etc), but it is clear from the images posted online that Apple Maps wasn't completely ready to come out of the oven just yet.

Have you read up yet on why Apple decided to make their own mapping solution (e.g. Google trying to force Google Latitude on Apple users, collecting and profiting off search result usage, withholding turn-by-turn for their own OS, etc)? In the long run, this was probably the right decision for Apple and its users.

In the end, Apple has admitted that their rendition of Maps has some catching up to do by apologizing and conceding to the competition. When they get there, which they will eventually, hopefully they'll give Google Maps a run for their money. This will inspire Google to step up their game and not become complacent with "being on top" (benefiting you), and it'll free Apple to take more control over their mapping solutions and maybe find some solutions that haven't been done before (benefiting us).

By the way, as much as you want to see it this way, Apple isn't just a "hipster" thing. I'm not a hipster, nor do I have any hipster friends, yet I see how Apple has made it easier for me to do the things that I need and want to do. I hope you've learned enough about me at this point to realize that this doesn't just entale Facebooking or posting on the forums, but actually embarking on a career that wouldn't be possible without computers and technology. I'm still quite content with my decision to use Apple-made products.

[IPD]

oh believe me, i don't want apple out of business. i fully understand the need for competition to eliminate complacency. i'm a HUGE AMD fan, after all. that said, what grinds my gears about apple is because they are deliberately acting as though there shouldn't be any competition. like any competition at all is somehow infringing upon "their" market.

we've argued both sides of this throughout this thread. the bottom line is, apple is only content NOT suing over phones that are cumbersome, unintuitive, or lackluster. legitimate products that genuinely threaten to deliver more performance & function than the iphone are seen as infringing--no matter how banal, trivial, or illogical the infringement claim is. doors are very functional on a car. imagine if GM decided to patent the car door. ford & chrysler could produce any size, shape or color of car they wanted---but it couldn't have doors; because GM owns the patent on doors.

that's the problem with this litigation. apple is trying to sue over patents that should never have been granted. for any given functional device, there are certain "Baseline" capabilities and functions that must be "open domain" or else there can be no competition. this is how apple speaks with forked tongue. it claims it wants to push the market forward, but it stifles any and all who come close to parity by insisting that those rivals are infringing.

[ictponder]

Wow! I love how they can just blame issues w/their devices on the consumer!

You're Pointing It Wrong (http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/08/apple-iphone-5-camera-purple-flaring-issue-acknolwedged/)

[stealthify]

I find this one pretty funny.

Didn't you learn in photography 101 not to point your camera at the sun?

Regardless, I wanted to try it anyway. Here's a shot I just took with my iPhone 5 for fun.

4627

[ictponder]

The issue is not from pointing directly at a light source. The problem is from out of scene light sources ie: light from behind or from the side, which should work just fine. Nice pic btw, needs more contrast but understandable as it's got the sun in it lol.

[DocWalt]

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/139520-1/Omigahd.jpg

[stealthify]

The issue is not from pointing directly at a light source. The problem is from out of scene light sources ie: light from behind or from the side, which should work just fine. Nice pic btw, needs more contrast but understandable as it's got the sun in it lol.

It's always interesting to see what people come up with after an iPhone release. I hear these things and I wonder how widespread they actually are (e.g. what are the chances my photos will exhibit this behavior, etc), and more often than not they're grossly exaggerated by the people that don't even own the iPhone in question.

So, I've set out to actively try to recreate this purple lens flair (just for this thread). So far, I haven't had much luck. The shot posted above was just one of about 50 photos I took at varying angles (including from the side), and the flair wasn't an issue. I also took this video, doing a full sweep under the mid-day sun, on the way back from class:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm6SYvc3fms

Overall, I'm pretty impressed with the main camera just as I have been for the last two generation iPhone cameras before it. Is it on the same level as my DSLR? No. Will it work, surprisingly well, in a pinch? Absolutely. Should it deter you from buying an iPhone? Well... with that 1 in 1000 chance that you might get some purple flair in your photo... that's up to you.

In the meantime, here's a few other photos I took with the iPhone 5 camera over the last few weeks:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/09/u3azu9un.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/09/ytytydud.jpg

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Looks like at about 6 seconds, you got the purple haze. Still not bad though.

Jeremy

[ictponder]

Doesn't look like your device has any issues, those are some nice pics. Way better than my shit ass HTC Trophy lol Alas, I'm just stirring the pot :D

[stealthify]

Doesn't look like your device has any issues, those are some nice pics. Way better than my shit ass HTC Trophy lol Alas, I'm just stirring the pot :D

Gotcha :p At least you're honest. :)

[IPD]

Apple on iPhone 5 purple flare: You're aiming it wrong - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/tech/mobile/iphone-5-purple-haze/index.html?hpt=hp_c3)

i'd say pretty widespread, shaun. but i'm also not surprised that apple's first response--as always--is:

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/y/youre_doing_it_wrong-12942.jpg

i have to hand it to them. i don't think any of us could even wipe our own asses if apple didn't explain the proper procedure.

[Jenkins]

Purple glare or not the iPhone 5 still has one of the best cameras on the market.

[ictponder]

Purple glare or not the iPhone 5 still has one of the best cameras on the market.

Very true, especially in low light. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Lumia 920 real world results.

[Jenkins]

Very true, especially in low light. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Lumia 920 real world results.

I am very eager for everyone to get their hands on this phone and test the hell out of it. Like the iPhone I'm sure people will nit pick the hell out of the phone, but I pray that a 920 variant comes to Verizon.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Finally, someone with a brain! :)

Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent system “dysfunctional” — Mobile Technology News (http://gigaom.com/mobile/famous-judge-spikes-apple-google-case-calls-patent-system-dysfunctional/)

[IPD]

well it was about damn time.

[NickS VR4]

well it was about damn time.

Old news. Check out the date.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

[DocWalt]

Consumer Reports: 'Purple haze' pics not unique to iPhone 5 - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/tech/mobile/iphone-5-purple-haze/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)

lol, duh.

[stealthify]

Here's some other news, going back to the Lightning plug conspiracy theory. Turns out that wasn't an "authentication" chip after all, but rather just a chip that's main purpose is to route power and signals to the appropriate pins (as I was talking about earlier):

Apple's Lightning authentication chip may have been reverse engineered (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/09/apples-lightning-authentication-chip-may-have-been-reverse-engineered)
Company Unveils First iPhone 5 Lightning Dock (http://mashable.com/2012/10/05/lightning-dock-for-iphone-5/)

Certainly didn't take long. :p

[IPD]

Here's some other news, going back to the Lightning plug conspiracy theory. Turns out that wasn't an "authentication" chip after all, but rather just a chip that's main purpose is to route power and signals to the appropriate pins (as I was talking about earlier):

Apple's Lightning authentication chip may have been reverse engineered (http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/09/apples-lightning-authentication-chip-may-have-been-reverse-engineered)
Company Unveils First iPhone 5 Lightning Dock (http://mashable.com/2012/10/05/lightning-dock-for-iphone-5/)

Certainly didn't take long. :p

so rather than simply putting an inexpensive and intuitive "bump" on one side of the plug...so that it's easy to identify in pitch-black, they decided to drastically increase the cost of the cable by adding a microchip instead.

on second thought, i approve. most apple consumers are too dumb to figure out which way the plug should face, so this is probably a brilliant move.

[ictponder]

Wireless Charging/Syncing...just putting it out there!

[stealthify]

Wireless Charging/Syncing...just putting it out there!

Sadly, from what I understand, inductive charging still has a long way to go before it can be considered a comparable alternative to plugging in via a wire. 50% of the energy is lost to heat generation, or something like that. Your devices also would not recharge nearly as fast.

Wireless syncing/backup is built into iOS though. No lightning cable required.

[ictponder]

Sadly, from what I understand, inductive charging still has a long way to go before it can be considered a comparable alternative to plugging in via a wire. 50% of the energy is lost to heat generation, or something like that. Your devices also would not recharge nearly as fast.

Wireless syncing/backup is built into iOS though. No lightning cable required.

My HTC Trophy (Windows Phone) has wireless sync as well. I'm not sure if Android has it but I don't see why it wouldn't be a standard on most phones.